M53: Mafia 1 Redux

[Squigs44]

Me doing something that risky for a not easily forsee-able (for me at least) townread is almost enough to discount the theory already though. We all know I'm not good at this game, a fact which Squigs delights in.

I'm starting to get really annoyed that you are painting me a villain. If you take issue with the case I put on you, then tell us what was wrong with it. If you think my case on you had ulterior motives, then call me scum, vote for me, and convince others of that. But dont shade me, paint me as a bad guy, characterize me as someone who delights in your pain. I saw some aspects of your play that were questionable, so I questioned you, I pushed you, I got a conversation going. That's how you play the game.

Once upon a time I joined M3. I wasn't even 18 yet, but I thought, oooh, mafia, this will be fun. I proceeded to get wrecked by ghug. He wasn't very nice to me, and well, I wasnt very good at the game. I was a defensive noob, and ghug ran me up like day 2 as an easy mislynch. I played again, and ghug mislynched me again. I've looked back on the game, and I'm pretty sure I would have mislynched myself. Ghugs push on me was good for me though. If it weren't for him, I wouldn't have become the player I am now.

So you've got a choice Bob. You can continue to complain that people are mislynching you, scumreading you, whatever. You can continue to sell yourself short and say you aren't capable of playing well. Or, you can look around at the better players, try to understand the game, and evolve your own play. Choice is yours.

Squigs is town crier.

I dont cry... There goes my street cred...

[Squigs44]

SQUIGGS:

You say bunny's vote on emc was a way to get credit from the emc haters. Except bunny's vote was the first in the game, before the emc hate came, and Bunny got 0 kudos. The name selection post had 0 explanation originally, and after you shaded that post for no apparent reason, Bunny replied that it was random. I fail to see how Bunny put too much effort in there. While Bunny hasn't done anything towny yet, your scumread here seems contrived.

NEPH

Are you also seriously telling me that there will be a D1 where EMC doesn't get voted for his obscure voting patterns. It's easy to pre-empt.

SQUIGGS

It's one thing to predict that emc will get votes day 1.
It's another to condemn someone for trying to garner kudos for appeasing emc haters by preemptively placing a vote there. You're construing a scummy motive for something that isnt necessarily scummy.

NEPH

Here I fundamentally disagree with you. There is a shit ton of research that backs me up as well.

As for the the vote, you cannot tell me its towny and on balance I have enough suspicion to shift it to scummy. That being said, it's D1 so much canch

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Oops

So much can change and it won't take him much to shift/neutralise my read

SQUIGGS

Alright, well, I'll let you play your jedi mind tricks while us big boys do some real solving.

I explicitly stated I didn't find Bunny towny, I've only said that you are construing a rather bland post as scummy. It feels contrived to me.

Squiggs vs Neph looks like squiggs is onto something but it kinda dies at the end

Well that's cause Neph is towny

[rdrivera2005]

100 is basically a null score, but higher scores are more likely to be scum.

I really don't like this spreadsheet thing. I didn't like Kakel's either. Looks like a perfect way to justify a scum read or vote without having to really put a thought on it. A good way for scum to not have to fake reasons to town. You can just claim the spreadsheet was "inaccurate".

As opposed to when players make reads or votes without really putting a thought into it and without any justification? You don't need a spreadsheet to be nefarious about it all...

No, but you usually got a lot of pressure if you keep doing this and the spreadsheet thing gives an easier way.

[Squigs44]

bunny is town

Why is this again?

[Jamiet99uk]

again

why the fuck is that even important? unless youre desperate to link me to bunny go the whole accusation is stupid. just say I tried to save emc.

youre arguing I tried to save BOTH emc and bunny.

Its like you want this case to implicate bunny also and theres no reason why.

I am simply drawing attention to your lies.

[brainbomb]

again

why the fuck is that even important? unless youre desperate to link me to bunny go the whole accusation is stupid. just say I tried to save emc.

youre arguing I tried to save BOTH emc and bunny.

Its like you want this case to implicate bunny also and theres no reason why.

I am simply drawing attention to your lies.

there are no lies
I tried to save emc
how is that not enough? why does it have to be some wormwood induced conspiracy

[Jamiet99uk]

there was no lack of keenness. the plan was to act like I was capitulating to bunnys wagon.

So... you.....ummm....wanted to look like you were KEENLY capitulating?

"YEAH I'M SUPER HYPED TO LYNCH THIS GUY EVEN THOUGH I DON'T REALLY WANNA AND YOU'RE FORCING MY HAND, OH WELL, OK THEN, YYAAAAYYY!!"

Implausible.

[brainbomb]

there was no lack of keenness. the plan was to act like I was capitulating to bunnys wagon.

So... you.....ummm....wanted to look like you were KEENLY capitulating?

"YEAH I'M SUPER HYPED TO LYNCH THIS GUY EVEN THOUGH I DON'T REALLY WANNA AND YOU'RE FORCING MY HAND, OH WELL, OK THEN, YYAAAAYYY!!"

Implausible.

again why is this detail even important?
why does it matter?

[brainbomb]

I CAUGHT THE MURDERER.
he was wearing a pink hat
and covered in blood

he wasnt wearing a pink hat

but he was

No. hes lying about the color of his hat.

[Jamiet99uk]

there was no lack of keenness. the plan was to act like I was capitulating to bunnys wagon.

So... you.....ummm....wanted to look like you were KEENLY capitulating?

"YEAH I'M SUPER HYPED TO LYNCH THIS GUY EVEN THOUGH I DON'T REALLY WANNA AND YOU'RE FORCING MY HAND, OH WELL, OK THEN, YYAAAAYYY!!"

Implausible.

again why is this detail even important?
why does it matter?

It matters because you are flapping and crumbling under my calm yet relentless pressure.

How can you capitulate keenly? Capitulation is an act performed reluctantly. Your alibi is inconsistent.

[Jamiet99uk]

I CAUGHT THE MURDERER.
he was wearing a pink hat
and covered in blood

he wasnt wearing a pink hat

but he was

No. hes lying about the color of his hat.

Details matter.

If I told the police I had seen you commit a murder, and I noticed you were wearing a pink hat, and you could later prove in court that you had been wearing a blue balaclava all that day, the case would collapse. I would be laughed out of court.

[brainbomb]

so my saving emc is not scummy enough

I have to also be lying and misreptesenting what capitulation means

[brainbomb]

I CAUGHT THE MURDERER.
he was wearing a pink hat
and covered in blood

he wasnt wearing a pink hat

but he was

No. hes lying about the color of his hat.

Details matter.

If I told the police I had seen you commit a murder, and I noticed you were wearing a pink hat, and you could later prove in court that you had been wearing a blue balaclava all that day, the case would collapse. I would be laughed out of court.

if you told the police I commited a murder, and then said the evidence of said murder was that I shrugged my fucking shoulders like a wet sop and then tried to lie about it theyd wanna see the weapon and then theyd be citing you for being complete imbecile who wasted their time dialing 911, as a house burnt down 3 blocks away

[Jamiet99uk]

so my saving emc is not scummy enough

I have to also be lying and misreptesenting what capitulation means

Oh I'm sorry, is there a new rule where there's a special threshold for scummyness, and once someone has reached that threshold, you're not allowed to consider them any further or ask them any additional questions unless those questions involve the identify of the SK?

I missed that memorandum.

[Jamiet99uk]

I CAUGHT THE MURDERER.
he was wearing a pink hat
and covered in blood

he wasnt wearing a pink hat

but he was

No. hes lying about the color of his hat.

Details matter.

If I told the police I had seen you commit a murder, and I noticed you were wearing a pink hat, and you could later prove in court that you had been wearing a blue balaclava all that day, the case would collapse. I would be laughed out of court.

if you told the police I commited a murder, and then said the evidence of said murder was that I shrugged my fucking shoulders like a wet sop and then tried to lie about it theyd wanna see the weapon and then theyd be citing you for being complete imbecile who wasted their time dialing 911, as a house burnt down 3 blocks away

But I am not accusing you of murder.
I am accusing you of lying.

[Squigs44]

Brain can you be serious for one second and give me a straight forward answer:

Is Jamie scum trying to drive a mislynch or is Jamie just really annoying incorrect town?

Your layers of sarcasm and satire make it difficult to get a read on your actual thoughts

[brainbomb]

Brain can you be serious for one second and give me a straight forward answer:

Is Jamie scum trying to drive a mislynch or is Jamie just really annoying incorrect town?

Your layers of sarcasm and satire make it difficult to get a read on your actual thoughts

Jamie is very clearly town who is not going to care about anything in gamestate until I die and flip town. at which point he will still claim I lied and that it was my fualt for lying about what capitulation is
then he will.move onto someone else.

I dont think him getting me lynched necessarily gets him lynched.

[Jamiet99uk]

Squigs, can you remember what colour hat Bozo used to wear when he was in college with Neph and Steve?

[Vecna]

When Vecna and I questioned you for your fake vote, you CLAIMED your real reason was to trick people into thinking that a runaway wagon was forming on BunnyGo.


yes. this is the truth
I wasnt shrugging
am I on video? there was no shrug. I made it look like I was SETTLING for bumny to lure voters into thinking I was capitulating to bunny as lead vote ti set them up as fast blitz

So your strategy for getting your top target lynched is to pretend you're not keen to se them lynched, and are being coerced by an imaginary runaway wagon that isn't actually happening?

Highly unlikely.

Youre missing the point Jamiet. He's claiming he wanted to do a Vecna.

Ive done this before as well. You vote the person again in the last minute to make people think that is the wagon that is one bigger to nudge someone else to vote there to avoid the tie, to lynch the person you want to lynch.

He's never claimed that was not his intention.

[brainbomb]

Jeffrey Dahmer walks into a bar. murders and eats literally everyone.

he lies about it.


OH MY GOD, HES A LIAR