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Re: M1009 [HIDDEN]

#2081 Post by bozotheclown » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:14 pm

xorxes wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:28 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:23 am

Here is another example of what I suspect was a fabricated case. I stated I was leaving and was going to miss EOD when I placed that vote, and made it clear that I preferred lynching Nephthys over all of the other wagons besides Chaqa. I had been arguing for lynching Chaqa all day, it was fairly clear it was not going to happen, so I went with my next choice among the available wagons.

Also, foodcoats was already voting for Nephthys, and when he changed his vote from Flavius to Nephthys, the vote count was Nephthys 3, Flavius 2, Chaqa 2, Jamie 2, damo 1, emc 1. After he voted for Nephthys, the vote count was Nephthys 4, Chaqa 2, Jamie 2, Flavius 1, damo 1, emc 1. This is almost exactly the same thing he was supposedly scum reading me for. So, either foodcoats does not really believe that "The scum play there is shoring up a promising mislynch at an appropriate time", or he made a mistake as scum and made a scum play.
But you are agreeing with him that doing that could be a good scum play.

You also know from your own experience that sometimes townies do that for towny reasons.

So this doesn't really scream to me that food is scum. It only says it is consistent with him being scum. But it is also consistent with him being town.

The way I read it, food has been consistently scumhunting from D1. Has he made some bad cases? Yes. Townies often do that, maybe even more often than scum.

Jamie, on the other hand, has been playing most of the game as if performing on a stage. He is not reading the thread very closely. His most pressing concerns today were whether rivera had said who he had saved (he didn't know because he has not been bothering to read, he was curious, probably because they had to guess who the doc would save and he wanted to see if they had guessed right) and wondering whether emc had been roleblocked. You can't get less invested in finding scum than that.
I never said I agreed with foodcoats that it was a "good scum play", only that it was inconsistent for foodcoats to claim it was after doing the same thing a few hours earlier.

There are bad cases, incorrect cases, and cases that seem fabricated. Here is the case foodcoats made on Nephthys D1:

"Nephthys's iso by contrast is off. It sort of... caromes? Pointlessly? I'm not sure. It unsettles my gut. I don't like Neph's Chaqa vote; Chaqa's cop comment looks scummy, but Chaqa is conversational about this game no matter what. Second on the wagon looks a little too good. Picking up on what someone else had said and choosing to settle there without contributing much else to the game... it's a little too convenient."

This seems fabricated to me. Also, foodcoats only mentioned Nephthys once in passing before Nephthys picked up 3 votes.

The fact that foodcoats was going after Chaqa voters also looks questionable now.

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Re: M1009 [HIDDEN]

#2082 Post by foodcoats » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:26 pm

I don't think I'll convince bozo I'm not scum, but to make one last effort to settle the record for town:

1. With all due respect to bozo - I am sure in real life you are a normal person with a sense of humour, etc. - you come off as entirely serious and completely humourless in this forum. I believe this is our fourth game together and I do not recall you ever cracking wise previously. If that joke had come from Jamie, emc, maybe even damo, I would have read it with more subtlety. As another contrast, xorxes is also very serious, but when making a joke will often throw in an emoticon - :lol: - to indicate the tone. I even do this myself when I am leaning on sarcasm and am not sure how it will come off. It is actually a recommended communications strategy because of the ambiguity of the written word in digital communications.
2. You specifically referred to Kak and Chaqa "driving the same car." This is significant. I don't know Kak from Adam, but I could very easily imagine, if they are a funny person, them getting into a yukky-yuk with Chaqa about driving Camaros, which is a running Chaqa joke on the forum. So I believed you had found a thread where Chaq and Kak started joking about Camaros, and then had off-handed lulz about other stuff, that you took completely seriously (see 1 above).

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Re: M1009 [HIDDEN]

#2083 Post by xorxes » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:28 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:14 pm
xorxes wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:28 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:23 am

Here is another example of what I suspect was a fabricated case. I stated I was leaving and was going to miss EOD when I placed that vote, and made it clear that I preferred lynching Nephthys over all of the other wagons besides Chaqa. I had been arguing for lynching Chaqa all day, it was fairly clear it was not going to happen, so I went with my next choice among the available wagons.

Also, foodcoats was already voting for Nephthys, and when he changed his vote from Flavius to Nephthys, the vote count was Nephthys 3, Flavius 2, Chaqa 2, Jamie 2, damo 1, emc 1. After he voted for Nephthys, the vote count was Nephthys 4, Chaqa 2, Jamie 2, Flavius 1, damo 1, emc 1. This is almost exactly the same thing he was supposedly scum reading me for. So, either foodcoats does not really believe that "The scum play there is shoring up a promising mislynch at an appropriate time", or he made a mistake as scum and made a scum play.
But you are agreeing with him that doing that could be a good scum play.

You also know from your own experience that sometimes townies do that for towny reasons.

So this doesn't really scream to me that food is scum. It only says it is consistent with him being scum. But it is also consistent with him being town.

The way I read it, food has been consistently scumhunting from D1. Has he made some bad cases? Yes. Townies often do that, maybe even more often than scum.

Jamie, on the other hand, has been playing most of the game as if performing on a stage. He is not reading the thread very closely. His most pressing concerns today were whether rivera had said who he had saved (he didn't know because he has not been bothering to read, he was curious, probably because they had to guess who the doc would save and he wanted to see if they had guessed right) and wondering whether emc had been roleblocked. You can't get less invested in finding scum than that.
I never said I agreed with foodcoats that it was a "good scum play", only that it was inconsistent for foodcoats to claim it was after doing the same thing a few hours earlier.

There are bad cases, incorrect cases, and cases that seem fabricated. Here is the case foodcoats made on Nephthys D1:

"Nephthys's iso by contrast is off. It sort of... caromes? Pointlessly? I'm not sure. It unsettles my gut. I don't like Neph's Chaqa vote; Chaqa's cop comment looks scummy, but Chaqa is conversational about this game no matter what. Second on the wagon looks a little too good. Picking up on what someone else had said and choosing to settle there without contributing much else to the game... it's a little too convenient."

This seems fabricated to me. Also, foodcoats only mentioned Nephthys once in passing before Nephthys picked up 3 votes.

The fact that foodcoats was going after Chaqa voters also looks questionable now.
It reminds me of what I was thinking at the time.

It also reminds me of something else. I asked Jamie what he thought of Chaqa and the people voting for him. He comented on the voters but not on Chaqa. Look that up if you please, I'm on phone now.

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Re: M1009 [HIDDEN]

#2084 Post by foodcoats » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:31 pm

Also, it is bogus as fuck that I am the lead wagon because:

1. brainbomb sheeped rdr to get on me, without explanation, on top of the fact that rdr never even explained why I'm scum. So there's nothing even to agree with other than rdr's gut.
2. Jamie put an OMGUS vote on me. Jamie hasn't even bothered to say something like "bozo must be bussing food" despite being utterly convinced, apparently, that bozo is scum.

For the love of Christ if you all think I'm scum at least vote for whoever you think is my partner and at least buy us another day to sort this out. I'm town, bozo is tunneled, and there are two super weak votes on my wagon. This is fucked and you're going to lose us the game.

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#2085 Post by e.m.c^42 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:58 pm

Hm, one question to Jamie - any particular reason you're essentially roleplaying me in obliviousness this game?

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Re: M1009 [HIDDEN]

#2086 Post by e.m.c^42 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:59 pm

from what's happened so far, if the debate between xorx-bozo is staged then they deserve to win as scum lmfao

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Re: M1009 [HIDDEN]

#2087 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:21 pm

This is really hard.

Foodcoats's defence seems very genuine.

His point about how humourless Bozo usually is, I mean, that's absolutely solid. When does Bozo ever joke? That's why I initially assumed he was actually serious when he talked about those connections between Chaqa and Karrokotot.

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Re: M1009 [HIDDEN]

#2088 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:21 pm

e.m.c^42 wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:58 pm
Hm, one question to Jamie - any particular reason you're essentially roleplaying me in obliviousness this game?
Oh, I assure you, you are NOTHING like me.

I have balls.

I am not a coward.

You are the opposite.

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Re: M1009 [HIDDEN]

#2089 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:34 pm

Bozo never tells jokes.

Why did people like Xorxes, who pay such close attention to meta, just accept Bozo's post about "Tho Office" as a joke?

Why didn't Xorxes point out that Bozo never tells jokes? Didn't you think it was out of character, Xorxes?

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Re: M1009 [HIDDEN]

#2090 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:37 pm

##VOTE XORXES

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Re: M1009 [HIDDEN]

#2091 Post by xorxes » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:42 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:34 pm
Bozo never tells jokes.

Why did people like Xorxes, who pay such close attention to meta, just accept Bozo's post about "Tho Office" as a joke?

Why didn't Xorxes point out that Bozo never tells jokes? Didn't you think it was out of character, Xorxes?
I pointed out that he started last game with a joke. You have not been reading the thread.

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Re: M1009 [HIDDEN]

#2092 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:54 pm

xorxes wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:42 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:34 pm
Bozo never tells jokes.

Why did people like Xorxes, who pay such close attention to meta, just accept Bozo's post about "Tho Office" as a joke?

Why didn't Xorxes point out that Bozo never tells jokes? Didn't you think it was out of character, Xorxes?
I pointed out that he started last game with a joke. You have not been reading the thread.
The shitposting phase isn't the same.

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#2093 Post by xorxes » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:05 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:54 pm
xorxes wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:42 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:34 pm
Bozo never tells jokes.

Why did people like Xorxes, who pay such close attention to meta, just accept Bozo's post about "Tho Office" as a joke?

Why didn't Xorxes point out that Bozo never tells jokes? Didn't you think it was out of character, Xorxes?
I pointed out that he started last game with a joke. You have not been reading the thread.
The shitposting phase isn't the same.
Fair enough, but it disproves the claim that he never jokes.

It still doesn't explain why you would think he was lying in such a transparent way.

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Re: M1009 [HIDDEN]

#2094 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:08 pm

xorxes wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:05 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:54 pm
xorxes wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:42 pm


I pointed out that he started last game with a joke. You have not been reading the thread.
The shitposting phase isn't the same.
Fair enough, but it disproves the claim that he never jokes.

It still doesn't explain why you would think he was lying in such a transparent way.
I've answered that repeatedly. I don't see any value in repeating myself again. If people don't believe me, I'm sorry that they're wrong. It's no reason to lynch me. If they can see that I'm town, then they should lynch you.

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Re: M1009 [HIDDEN]

#2095 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:11 pm

I hate to say it, but you know how you can actually work out that I'm definitely town?

Town is losing.

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#2096 Post by brainbomb » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:23 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:11 pm
I hate to say it, but you know how you can actually work out that I'm definitely town?

Town is losing.
3 straight days of mylo lylo and all pr outted is not exactly = town winning...

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#2097 Post by e.m.c^42 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:25 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:23 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:11 pm
I hate to say it, but you know how you can actually work out that I'm definitely town?

Town is losing.
3 straight days of mylo lylo and all pr outted is not exactly = town winning...
?

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Re: M1009 [HIDDEN]

#2098 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:27 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:23 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:11 pm
I hate to say it, but you know how you can actually work out that I'm definitely town?

Town is losing.
3 straight days of mylo lylo and all pr outted is not exactly = town winning...
I didn't say town was winning. I said town is losing.

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#2099 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:27 pm

Brainbomb help us out here.

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Re: M1009 [HIDDEN]

#2100 Post by e.m.c^42 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:29 pm

foodcoats wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:31 pm
Also, it is bogus as fuck that I am the lead wagon because:

1. brainbomb sheeped rdr to get on me, without explanation, on top of the fact that rdr never even explained why I'm scum. So there's nothing even to agree with other than rdr's gut.
That's not quite true. It was rather obvious that he found your avoidance of claiming questionable, and I'm pretty sure rivera had a posts previously that scumread you on association with bozo. Not to mention, bozo did do a series on you as well (to which post later shall comment)

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