M1009 [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh actually:

@EMC: Were you Roleblocked again last night? If not, do you have a scan result this time?

This is part of the reason why I'm scumreading you, lol

Why?

If an X-shot action is Roleblocked, the standard ruling is that the shot isn't used up. So you'd still have your scan despite the Roleblock... I just want to be clear.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE FOODCOATS

Okay, after reading that hot garbage it's probably Food and Xorxes.

I apologise to Clown Bozo.

[Jamiet99uk]

"Xorxes is locktown"...

I do not think this.

[e.m.c^42]

Needless to say, was rb'd again.

Ignoring all else, comments about awareness notwithstanding, wouldn't it be nice to claim that I successfully scanned you, kitten? lol

[e.m.c^42]

but nice to see foodc appear again, contents aside

[brainbomb]

oh AMC 24. you slay me

[foodcoats]

"Xorxes is locktown"...

I do not think this.

What do you think of the way goldfinger read xorxes?

[foodcoats]

I think, considering the fact that scum had every chance to win and end the game yesterday, it is plausible that the reason they chose to sacrifice gold was probably because the roleblocker was seemingly more lynchable, yeah?

Either that, or since he knew he would be inactive, took a sacrifice in order to give other two cred. (implying other two were also on chopping block, so diversion?)

bozo was the only other significant wagon yesterday other than you. Do you think bozo could've been RB? With the amount of shade they threw at Chaqfinger?

[foodcoats]

everyone start by explaining why their behavior was not bussing. use your three strongest quotes to support your claim

What is this even supposed to mean? This sounds scummy. This is just trying to set people up.

[foodcoats]

Is it if bozo then gold, or is it if gold then bozo?

bb seemed to be suggesting the second one.

Gold is mostly POE for me. Do you think he is towny?

For me gold is town by POE. I think gold is less scummy than the alternatives. Other than yourself I had goldfinger as second-least-to-lynch.

##VOTE bozotheclown

Bozo is above goldfinger on my spectrum (bozo > gold > Jamie > brainbomb > xorxes) so I will park here to even the wagons until emc and rdr weigh in. Going into meetings now but will be back for EOD.

I also thought of another thing that makes me think xorxes is town (although this is of little relevance because I don't think xorxes is a lynch candidate): xorxes was really really adamant about both worcej and Tom. I don't think scum would be that adamant and allow the lynches to go through that way.

This is inconsistent, moving goldfinger from "second-least-to-lynch" to his second scum read.

Not from my perspective. goldfinger didn't play D4, while goldfinger played the other days. So after several hours of this, my reads changed.

Here's the problem with how goldfinger was playing. goldfinger claims to have a high powered and important job negotiating contracts for millions of dollars. People with these high powered jobs understand the importance of prioritization. If goldfinger was town, they would not have posted filler as they did. They would've posted useful, if short and to the point, comments. But instead goldfinger basically just posted in excuses - literally taking time to explain why they couldn't play, rather than playing efficiently. As I mentioned in my iso of chaqfinger, town!goldfinger would just never play that way at match point. Maybe they'd have the same number of posts, but they would've been of a higher quality.

Seeing goldfinger was way off it did not make sense that they were town.

[foodcoats]

...but lest we forget I also said I think bozo looked like shit too. I find it interesting that this has been almost missed/swept away so far.

Actually, I too think bozo looks unappetizing. bozo parked on Chaqa for ages and then swung onto Neph to push the wagon up ahead 4/2 with 30 minutes to go, providing this justification:

I do not agree with your reads much.

##VOTE Nephthys

Not the greatest reason to stack off there. bozo also repeatedly hammered on Chaqa, even saying after voting for Neph that they really preferred to hang Chaqa or worcej, despite it being bozo who in leaving Chaqa dropped Chaqa down to a 1 vote wagon (the wagons were 3/2/2, then 4/2/1 with some other vanities because of bozo's switch), and pushed Neph up into true leadership position in doing so.

##VOTE bozotheclown

Just like foodcoats jumped on Jamie's reason to scum read me later, here he jumps on worcej's reason, also using incorrect facts. This statement, "the wagons were 3/2/2, then 4/2/1 with some other vanities because of bozo's switch", was incorrect in a way that supported his case. The votes were 3-2-2-2-2-2 before I changed my vote and 4-2-2-2-2-1 after, and there were no other single vote wagons after my vote change. The fact that Chaqa was one of five 2 vote wagons is a big difference from what foodcoats said as far as supporting his argument that I was trying to save Chaqa after I was pushing for his lynch all day. It is also interesting that he would be arguing I was trying to save Chaqa since it is based on the assumption Chaqa was scum.

I already answered this earlier. I did not say you were saving Chaqa. And you rehashing the numbers is not only irrelevant, it further proves my point. My point was that Chaqa was a VIABLE wagon still, but you LEFT a viable wagon that you obviously preferred in order to put a wagon into CLINCH. That is scummy.

[foodcoats]

I don't really like that I'm agreeing with brainbomb, but my read might be wrong. Maybe it's bozo, Jaime and xorxes. I remember xorxes very adamantly defending bozo at one point as their "strongest town read" and I couldn't understand why, and I chalked it up to xorxes being cop who'd made a scan. But that's definitely not the case now.

Bozo is still my strongest townread among the non-clears. Who is yours? (rivera and emc don't count.)

It's you. I tinfoil you into a few team slots and at this point I'm not willing to overlook anyone, but I'm not voting xorxes today.

These were consecutive posts from foodcoats, about 1.5 hours apart, where he finds xorxes questionable in the first and says xorxes is his top town read among the non-clears in the second.

In the first post I am engaged in High Speculation, colloquially known as "tinfoiling," in order to exercise my creative muscles and unlock the potential to identify scum relationships I had not previously considered. This is, as it were, "Perception" type thinking in the Jungian archetypes.

In the second, I am ranking possible votes - "Judgment" type thinking. The open-minded speculation about possible teams was not enough to bring xorxes up in a scumread as an individual.

These critical thinking activities are not mutually exclusive, in my opinion, and I will always explore all paths open to me to solve the game. At the time I made these comments, we had very little information to go on to identify scum, and I was not locking off any potential explanations.

[foodcoats]

Stuck how?

What worcej did would have been just a little discrepancy if he had not decided to claim it was a reaction test. The reaction test claim is not believable, and only scum would have a reason to make it up.

Are you seriously asking for proof that Chaqa and Kakarroto were college roommates? That post obviously was not intended to be taken literally, but it was meant to point out that I knew it sounds like I was tunneling Chaqa for claiming not to know Kakarroto, but nevertheless still think I could be right.

Well this is interesting.

You misled people quite seriously for a long time, bozo. If it was a joke why did you double down when you said "I stand by my research?" I really believed you had something. What I thought you were going to point to was a thread where Chaq and Kak joked around about Camaros... but I really believed it was SOMETHING, because you're so fastidious as a player.

It is very interesting that you're now withdrawing outright lies after EOD. And Im pretty upset I wanked the vote and hung worcej for you and your team.

This claim about me "withdrawing outright lies after EOD" is very questionable, because foodcoats was quoting my post from D2. It is hard to believe he did not realize he was reading D2 when he responded to this post. Saying it was after EOD was a way of justifying moving his vote off of me at D2 EOD, yet still scum read me for this post I made well before his vote change.

Again, I believe I already addressed this and you are literally just rehashing things I have already explained. I actually believe I apologized about this back there. I was probably flipping back and forth and didn't notice the timestamp. I was never a super close reader and I have a child now and don't have the luxury to read everything incredibly tightly.

Also I still don't think it makes much difference to the fact that it was extremely bizarre for bozotheclown to make that play, but maybe that is just my experience with you.

[foodcoats]

I also find it very hard to believe foodcoats really though any of what he was saying was true.

Dude you literally MADE SHIT UP!!!! do you even know your own fucking meta?!?!?!

[foodcoats]

For now,

##VOTE Jamiet99uk

I will follow emc's lead with the exception of voting for xorxes, barring some kind of revelation.

I'll try to do another deep dive (on D4 re: goldbussing) tomorrow during work hours as well.

[e.m.c^42]

For now,

##VOTE Jamiet99uk

I will follow emc's lead with the exception of voting for xorxes, barring some kind of revelation.

I'll try to do another deep dive (on D4 re: goldbussing) tomorrow during work hours as well.

Oh fuck, don't follow me nor use me as excuse to vote for someone lol

[e.m.c^42]

Oh actually:

@EMC: Were you Roleblocked again last night? If not, do you have a scan result this time?

This is part of the reason why I'm scumreading you, lol

Why?

If an X-shot action is Roleblocked, the standard ruling is that the shot isn't used up. So you'd still have your scan despite the Roleblock... I just want to be clear.

but tl;dr, you're becoming just as skim-inattentive as me, but here more often, for more of the game and strangely, still at this point as well.

[brainbomb]

just to be clear. when we get lynched do we go to heaven?

[brainbomb]

who are you leaning toward emc

[bozotheclown]

For me gold is town by POE. I think gold is less scummy than the alternatives. Other than yourself I had goldfinger as second-least-to-lynch.

##VOTE bozotheclown

Bozo is above goldfinger on my spectrum (bozo > gold > Jamie > brainbomb > xorxes) so I will park here to even the wagons until emc and rdr weigh in. Going into meetings now but will be back for EOD.

I also thought of another thing that makes me think xorxes is town (although this is of little relevance because I don't think xorxes is a lynch candidate): xorxes was really really adamant about both worcej and Tom. I don't think scum would be that adamant and allow the lynches to go through that way.

This is inconsistent, moving goldfinger from "second-least-to-lynch" to his second scum read.

Not from my perspective. goldfinger didn't play D4, while goldfinger played the other days. So after several hours of this, my reads changed.

Here's the problem with how goldfinger was playing. goldfinger claims to have a high powered and important job negotiating contracts for millions of dollars. People with these high powered jobs understand the importance of prioritization. If goldfinger was town, they would not have posted filler as they did. They would've posted useful, if short and to the point, comments. But instead goldfinger basically just posted in excuses - literally taking time to explain why they couldn't play, rather than playing efficiently. As I mentioned in my iso of chaqfinger, town!goldfinger would just never play that way at match point. Maybe they'd have the same number of posts, but they would've been of a higher quality.

Seeing goldfinger was way off it did not make sense that they were town.

Can you be more specific about what changed your mind?