Mafia XXXV - The WebDip Class Reunion

[Foxcastle]

Hm. Okay. That helps.

I am really leery of your attempt to tie the vote yesterday. If you're scum, it was a misstep, but you handled it perfectly...

[Foxcastle]

Darg, tell us true... are you the deep scum threat?

Because the problem is that there are two or three scummy looking candidates for the next lynch, but... we don't have a lot of slack in the rope, so to speak.

[dargorygel]

Regarding the Ratio thing... If the ONLY thing a person wrote about was 'me,' I counted it. If they wrote, "I think after consideration of MY thoughts and MY things, so and so is scum," I probably counted it. If the main emphasis of the post was who was scum, as opposed to getting the spotlight on THEM, i did not count it.

[dargorygel]

@foxy
Yep... you caught me.

But tomorrow we are going to go through everyone, right? We got a reprieve with xorxes, but we don't have much space, I agree.

I don't care a lot about tonight's reads posting. We don't seem to have a lot of concrete stuff (clears, absolute scums.) But tomorrow we should list our least to most. Compare where we are thinking.

But some general thoughts:
Rdr and Ezio seem the best bets, obviously.
And the possibility of Bo is high. If scum was trying to be sneaky and give him an apparent clear.
He didn't read much like scum bo to me, though.
Other than the high percentage of self-focus.

[Foxcastle]

@Darg... You don't think Bozo is looking scummy?

[dargorygel]

@Foxcastle
Aye, bozo looks scummy.... or busy. (He tends to state the obvious, and never puts his neck out there. Bozo the Town Clown is more edgy...)

I wasn't trying to list everyone. RDR and Ezio, to me are the key choices.
@Silver Pouncy Kitten
Where are you?
Hello?

Perhaps there is our deep scum?

[dargorygel]

We should have a gloves off duke-em-out fist fight beween the two Peterlunds. One (or both) of them are clearly displaying untruthfulness.

Or has that been resolved and I missed it?

[Foxcastle]

We should have a gloves off duke-em-out fist fight beween the two Peterlunds. One (or both) of them are clearly displaying untruthfulness.

Or has that been resolved and I missed it?

It was resolved. Ezio is scum.

[dargorygel]

lol
Ok...add this to the rdr/ezio conflict.
Look where xorxes has his votes... brain is the only time xorxes bussed, am I right?

And he didn't vote ezio, but rather rdr.

This was after a one run through... I'll look more fully tomorrow.
Time to get some actual work done. :-/

[dargorygel]

Wait... nvm... day 1 puts a wrench in that. He voted for ezio there.

[Foxcastle]

Xorxes reads and progressions. He's pretty consistent, and not many of his reads change much. The ones that do are simply to align when it becomes clear someone is towny or scummy...

Durga starts as scum (p.13) but is then town until the end (pp.46, 55, 66).

I am town (pp.8, 26), then slip to null-town (p.46), then null (55), then back to town (66).

Yavuz was always townread (22, 26).

Tham was always townread (25, 46, 55, 66).

Brainbomb started null (26) before getting Xorxes' vote to lynch (37). Seems that he hoped there was a chance he wouldn't have to bus.

Ezio and Bozo are always townread, and often townread together (as in, directly next to each other), but not always (pp.26, 46, 55, 66 together, and Bozo gets an extra read on p.70; sometimes in EON reads, sometimes in just regular posts).

Ghug was consistently scum (26, 46, 55).

Reedeer/Pouncy was null-scum (26), then scum (55, 66).

Nesdunk/Darg was null (26), then scumread (46, 55, 66), but came out as town (70).

Bo_sox has been scum always (26, 46, 55, 66).

Rdrivera was null (26, 55, 66) before being scum (71).

[thamrick]

We should have a gloves off duke-em-out fist fight beween the two Peterlunds. One (or both) of them are clearly displaying untruthfulness.

Or has that been resolved and I missed it?

It was resolved. Ezio is scum.

Lol

I agree though. Ezio is more likely scum than rdr.

If you still think I'm scum, Foxy, you're crazy. You're likely to die tonight, and I'm the second most clear behind Darg (maybe?). If either of us are scum, town is screwed. Let's be honest.

It's 100% one of Ezio/rdr
I suppose possibly both though I STRONGLY doubt it.
Then one of Bozo/Bo

My most likely to least likely scum is:
Ezio
Bozo
Bo
rdr
Pouncy
darg
Foxy

@darg - I understand that tomorrow is more important to see a list like above, but you don't want to post one in case you're NK'd? I want to see Foxy's so we have something to go on.

[Foxcastle]

Yeah, I'm posting my list closer to EON.

I really hope you're not the deep threat scum, Tham...

[Foxcastle]

Yeah, if you are the deep threat, well done!

But let's talk Darg. Why do you town read him?

[bozotheclown]

I think we should revisit the option of lynching DD.

If bo_sox is town, there is no way for him to get rid of the DD tag, so he will never have a vote. As a result, going into D5, it will be 4 town votes vs. 2 scum votes. That means it will be mylo, not lylo. That makes a no lynch an option, but in this case, we can lynch bo_sox D5 and it will be lylo D6. This gives us more information, and we can get bo_sox's reads D5 and know that they are town reads if he flips town. Of course the primary benefit is that we find out if he is scum. The only costs are it being lylo instead of mylo D6, and the loss of bo_sox's input after D5. If we decide to lynch Ezio D5 and he flips scum, we will have the same option D6.

[rdrivera2005]

We should have a gloves off duke-em-out fist fight beween the two Peterlunds. One (or both) of them are clearly displaying untruthfulness.

Or has that been resolved and I missed it?

It was resolved. Ezio is scum.

Lol

I agree though. Ezio is more likely scum than rdr.

If you still think I'm scum, Foxy, you're crazy. You're likely to die tonight, and I'm the second most clear behind Darg (maybe?). If either of us are scum, town is screwed. Let's be honest.

It's 100% one of Ezio/rdr
I suppose possibly both though I STRONGLY doubt it.
Then one of Bozo/Bo

My most likely to least likely scum is:
Ezio
Bozo
Bo
rdr
Pouncy
darg
Foxy

@darg - I understand that tomorrow is more important to see a list like above, but you don't want to post one in case you're NK'd? I want to see Foxy's so we have something to go on.

Tham, I still don't get the BO as a likely scum you and Bozo talked. Why would scum kidnap another scum and give him DD? Scum would have one less vote yesterday and also one less vote tomorrow. Just to get town credit?

[bozotheclown]

The scum might have thought the chances of picking up the DD tag with a NK of Durga were low.

[thamrick]

rdrivera - you're talking like scum should have assumed that scum were going to pick up the DD tag. They stayed away from Foxy. The only way they got DD was if Durga was Oracle AND targetted Foxy - which happened. I would have assumed that was fairly unlikely if I was scum.

I'm not saying that Bo is likely scum. Just that it's possible. Scum could have had the mindset that they just needed to survive D4. If Bo was their teammate, removing Bo makes it basically impossible that Bo would be lynched yesterday. Their other 2 members just had to survive the lynch and they would have thought town would have DD (and the possibility of Foxy being RB'er as DD still on the table).

I think it's more likely that xorxes was worried about Bo's ability to catch him and wanted him kidnapped (and a town vote out of the equation).

[dargorygel]

Can't be here at the end of night, most likely.
And while I am not on scum's most likely to NK list (unless my brilliant insights are terrifying to them...) it still is a reasonably good idea to list.

Rdr
Ezio
Bozo
Pouncey
Bo
Tham
Fox
Darg

Some of these are tie, and I tend to move back and forth as I read. But from the top (most possible scum) to the bottom (least likely scum) that’s my EoN list.

The only two clearly scum are my top two. Because I actually DO think that the two PETERLUND claimers might both be scum.
And Bo concerns me. His voting record is very bad.

AND Pouncy? Why are you so quiet? Pouncey is really only that high because of her silence, which might be an attempt to hide.

[thamrick]

Maybe if Tom would stop being so suave and handsome, Pouncy might actually want to play with us