M1009 [HIDDEN]

[brainbomb]

its interesting you both logged off or went invis as soon as you asked me questions


You did hope id answer yes?

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[xorxes]

You had a lot of interaction with Kakarroto in M25, M26, and M28 as well. If Chaqa and Kakarroto do turn out to be scum, we should keep you in mind for the third.

Considering there is only two, it would be funny.

id already talked about this. And yea I do find it bogus. but Jamie joins in and says "oh there actually is three, what is this all about".

So im not sure this is townies not reading much, townies faking for townslips, scum faking for townslips, or sarcasm


town fakes townslips every game, all the time on every forum. its amusement and also strategic. of course admitting it usually gets you lynched so if you fake it, fake it til you make it

It was not townie faking townslip nor sarcasm. He explained how it happened a few posts later.

It was either a genuine townslip, or straight up fake. I find it extremely hard to believe rivera would make a heavyhanded fake like that. It doesn't fit him at all.

[brainbomb]

what do you suppose he explains himself for then? a sense of guilt?

[xorxes]

I find it hard not to fake townslips as both alignments. mostly because I love controversy and its fun to survive based on idiocy

But rivera is not you. You can't judge everyone's actions based on what you yourself would or wouldn't do.

[brainbomb]

how would you evaluate all the rest of his posts in a vacuum, ignoring that one data point.

[xorxes]

what do you suppose he explains himself for then? a sense of guilt?

Because I asked him about it?

[xorxes]

how would you evaluate all the rest of his posts in a vacuum, ignoring that one data point.

As I said, I would probably be scumreading him. But I always have a tendency to do that even when he is town.

[brainbomb]

I find it hard not to fake townslips as both alignments. mostly because I love controversy and its fun to survive based on idiocy

But rivera is not you. You can't judge everyone's actions based on what you yourself would or wouldn't do.

As you can see. this is true but also false
the brainbomb effect has certainly changed post volume, trying to catchem all day 1, and even the from maf qt jokes. I feel like alot of players fake townslips.

Game size
scumteam size
are all ways to do it.

but faking knowing scumteam size can also be town PR pretending to not read the setup so scum scratches them off the list of PR.

"if he doesnt know how many scum there are, he also doesnt probably know how many pr. and probably didnt read that part of setup info. which means hes a vt."

[xorxes]

I find it hard not to fake townslips as both alignments. mostly because I love controversy and its fun to survive based on idiocy

But rivera is not you. You can't judge everyone's actions based on what you yourself would or wouldn't do.

As you can see. this is true but also false
the brainbomb effect has certainly changed post volume, trying to catchem all day 1, and even the from maf qt jokes. I feel like alot of players fake townslips.

Game size
scumteam size
are all ways to do it.

but faking knowing scumteam size can also be town PR pretending to not read the setup so scum scratches them off the list of PR.

"if he doesnt know how many scum there are, he also doesnt probably know how many pr. and probably didnt read that part of setup info. which means hes a vt."

He did read the setup, but he misread it.

[brainbomb]

what do you suppose he explains himself for then? a sense of guilt?

Because I asked him about it?

tiny clap
good catch my man

[brainbomb]

Are there any other data points against rivera?
lurking?
hedging?
pr fishing?
obfuscation?
misrepresentation?
chainsawwing?
shitposting?

[xorxes]

Are there any other data points against rivera?
lurking?
hedging?
pr fishing?
obfuscation?
misrepresentation?
chainsawwing?
shitposting?

I caught him not reading very carefully at least twice. And a bit of a tunnel on me, but that's NAI really.

[xorxes]

Flavius is definitely town.

Unfortunately likely to be true

This puts a bit of a dent on my Jamiet-emc-Flav parallel universe scumteam.

[rdrivera2005]

Are there any other data points against rivera?
lurking?
hedging?
pr fishing?
obfuscation?
misrepresentation?
chainsawwing?
shitposting?

I caught him not reading very carefully at least twice. And a bit of a tunnel on me, but that's NAI really.

I am not tunneling you. I just can't read you. If I am tunneling someone, it's Tom.
And I was wrong that you saved Tom, you just used the movement Foid and Gold generated to get Worcej lynched. What makes me scumread is that I think you are too good to really believe on that bullshit about the Worcej reaction test. You are always the first to ask people to look for motivation, but you just fail to address what scum motivation might be behind that. And like I pointed more then once, there is none. I just can't believe you can't see this.

##vote Xorxes

@Brain - Could you look at the posts where Worcej claimed he had done a reaction test and see if this can warrant such a strong scumread to the point of tunneling that Xorxes did?

[foodcoats]

well, I can use the quote from post function, but I chose to just post one big post to collect the posts I missed while I was at work ... and the one quote from jamie was from another thread (the mafia 52 game)

That reminds me, I asked you a question, can carrots be toppings, page 4, can you elaborate emc?

You're either rice or the fajita veggie toppings. Unlikely to be guac. Not sure yet, we'll see. Carrots potentially, I suppose.

The amount of Chipotle posts from emc is absurd. But I guess that is probably NAI. Maybe even indicative that emc is town..
would emc waste sooooo much time making these jokes if emc was scum?

[xorxes]

And I was wrong that you saved Tom, you just used the movement Foid and Gold generated to get Worcej lynched. What makes me scumread is that I think you are too good to really believe on that bullshit about the Worcej reaction test. You are always the first to ask people to look for motivation, but you just fail to address what scum motivation might be behind that. And like I pointed more then once, there is none. I just can't believe you can't see this.

I don't know how else to explain this to you, since I have done it already (I think more than once) and you still don't get it.

I never believed worcej was doing a reaction test.

There was no scum motivation to do a reaction test. He never did a reaction test.

He posted filler. He got caught. He then claimed that what he was doing was a reaction test.

See the scum motivation there? He got caught doing something he should not have been doing. He tried to cover up. Came up with a bullshit reason that looked somewhat plausible at first but really not believable with more examination.

Knowing now that he was town, I still don't believe he was doing a reaction test.

What I now believe is that he posted filler (yes, sometimes town do that too). He got caught. He then claimed what he was doing was a reaction test to save face. He never got himself out of it. I tried to question him and explain, he never did, because he knew there was no rational explanation. The reaction test thing was something he came up with to save face, and he didn't want to admit it. That's what I think now and sorry worcej if I'm misteken. If you really were doing a reaction test you should have at least have tried to explain how you thought it was a good idea, how you implemented it, etc to give us a sense of your town motivation.

If you don't believe me, your problem. But what's more irritating to me is that you don't even seem to understand what I'm saying, not so much that you don't believe me.

[xorxes]

Also, rd, what was my scum motivation for having worcej lynched over bozo? If bozo is town, don't you think I would have rather let him be lynched and not get involved? And if bozo is scum and I was trying to save a scummate, shouldn't you want to flip him first so that you could ascertain my scum motivation?

[xorxes]

well, I can use the quote from post function, but I chose to just post one big post to collect the posts I missed while I was at work ... and the one quote from jamie was from another thread (the mafia 52 game)

That reminds me, I asked you a question, can carrots be toppings, page 4, can you elaborate emc?

You're either rice or the fajita veggie toppings. Unlikely to be guac. Not sure yet, we'll see. Carrots potentially, I suppose.

The amount of Chipotle posts from emc is absurd. But I guess that is probably NAI. Maybe even indicative that emc is town..
would emc waste sooooo much time making these jokes if emc was scum?

He probably would. The game I remember of him as scum is one where me and teacon went town-ballistic against each other and emc just made innocuous comments cheering for each of us in turn.

I thought emc's D1 was towny enough, but I do wish he would make some contributions, if not by voting at least some reads because he usually picks on some interesting stuff when he tries.

[xorxes]

BTW, this is what Tom said about worcej's "reaction test":

I don’t have an opinion on worcejs reaction test. I don’t really know worcej - I think he has little understanding considering the back and forth we had about my self preservation vote. I would lean as that’s scum covering tracks by claiming a reaction test - but I think it might also just be worcej trying to inflate his self importance by claiming he did a reaction test.

If Tom is scum, he knew worcej was not scum trying to cover his tracks, but it's interesting that his alternative explanation is pretty close to what I now think.

At the time I was pretty convinced Tom and worcej were teammates, so I thought that was Tom giving a plausible explanation for worcej's actions, and I didn't put much stock into it.

[brainbomb]

worcej described rdr as


Short and Sweet (AKA Low, but kinda original, content): rdr, Jamie, EMC, chaqa


worcej
Day-2 00:01
page 48 / orig bozo is 100% scum, food looks bad for his move.

worcej
Day-2 00:01
page 48 / orig Gut theory: bozo/kaka/jamie

so this is kinda interesting. Jamie is pushing bozo today


@rdr I am not seeing a mention about you ir reaction tests. the reax test I saw him speak of wasnt yours.




worcej
Day-2 00:06
page 47 / orig
↑foodcoats: "I don't really want to leave bozo but this eod feels bad

##VOTE xorxes"
what an absolute shit vote.

worcej
Day-2 00:05
page 47 / orig
↑Kakarroto: "you have a test to get results. there was a result, you declared it void. why when xorxes did react in the test."
When did I declare the test was void? Link that post.


kak and worcej debates are town v town, but the main arguer vs worcej was kak. so why did scum do this unless kak had solid reads?