M1009 [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

##Vote bozo

I reread a bit and now I get it

EXCELLENT
##VOTE BOZO

Clown Bozo, your end is nigh, and you bettabelieveit.

[bozotheclown]

##Vote bozo

I reread a bit and now I get it

Get what?

[brainbomb]

You dont seem to be your usual self bozo. Where is the fighting spirit? left it in the maf chat over who is the PRs perhaps?

[brainbomb]

bozotheclown
Day-2 31:52
page 33 / orig Apparently the mafia believed damo's claim, good job damo drawing the NK.


this sounds like you were pissed about damo not being a juicy enough death

[brainbomb]

bozotheclown
Day-2 25:23
page 36 / orig My research also shows that Chaqa and Kakarroto drive the same kind of car, both watch "Tho Office", and were roommates in college


Bozo wouldnt be scum with chaqa here. doubt he draws attention to a buddy like this

[bozotheclown]

goldfinger put Tom ahead more than one hour before EOD:

Okay, so after re-reading everything, I think I may want to put a giant foot in my mouth and ##Vote Tom.

His very last minute EOD switch from damo to Neph is about the only solidly town thing he's done this game. However, there is a reason to scrutinize this, in the context of the rest of his play. We are very fortunate to know for certain that Tom switched from a townie to a townie. Moreover, he did it following a townie who did the exact same thing. So a question to everyone - is the scum team's choice of damo for the NK due to a fakeclaim? Or is it to paint Tom's actions in a better (or worse) light?

I think, depending upon how you look at it, you could reason it either way - either that the EOD actions and subsequent NK are meant to frame Tom or that they incriminate him. I personally believe the latter, and that scum were forced to NK damo due to Tom's actions EOD1. Frankly I don't think a reasonable person would believe damo's fakeclaim, and rdrivera is a much stronger townread to NK than the 3rd largest wagon at EOD.

Then he had this progression of posts:

Are people just not here? I don't get why its so quiet.

I see bozo, Kak and worcej have the page open.

None of their targets are currently getting lynched. Why aren't they here pushing?

Are people just not here? I don't get why its so quiet.

I am around but I don't see what else I can say. My case on Tom is mostly meta and how he is picking small things to seems hunting but without really pursuing it. But he isn't even here so what I should talk about?

I just don't like the staleness. I makes me nervous that the vote on Tom is the wrong one. Tom isn't around to fight it either. I'm more looking for people who are voting not Tom to either express they're okay with the vote or push back on it. Bozo and worcej I'll give the smallest bits of slack on, since they could themselves be lynched if people changed. But Jamiet, food, Kak....they should at least be on for EOD. And where the heck is Flav?

Scum doesn’t seem to care who get lynched here.

That is my fear right now as well. No movement means that scum are happy.

In these posts he progressively doubted his vote for Tom and called out for those not voting for Tom to press their cases, although instead of pressing his case on Tom, he was backtracking on his vote.

Then foodcoats changed his vote 7 minutes before EOD:

I don't really want to leave bozo but this eod feels bad

##VOTE xorxes

Before foodcoats changed his vote, Tom was ahead 4-3-3, so goldfinger would have had to put worcej or me in the lead if he moved off of Tom. After foodcoats changed his vote, goldfinger had an opportunity to move off of Tom without putting someone else in the lead, and he immediately took the opportunity:

I'll go with ##vote bozo, as I'm pretty sure worcej is town, and I don't like the lack of movement around Tom.

This made the vote 3-3-3-1.

This sequence looks to me like goldfinger was bussing Tom, tried to get someone else to save Tom, then moved his vote to save Tom when he could do so without being the "deciding vote" on a town lynch.

[xorxes]

I'll go with ##vote bozo, as I'm pretty sure worcej is town, and I don't like the lack of movement around Tom.

Now you set up a tie.

@bozo, why did you not vote for Tom when you said this?

[Jamiet99uk]

I'll go with ##vote bozo, as I'm pretty sure worcej is town, and I don't like the lack of movement around Tom.

Now you set up a tie.

@bozo, why did you not vote for Tom when you said this?

At last a question for Clown Bozo that brother Xorxes doesn't want to answer himself.

Answer the man, Clown Bozo. The people demand justice. The PEOPLE demand the head of CLOWN BOZO!

[bozotheclown]

As for Tom, the following post are a few hours before EOD:

Bozo is my strongest townread, so this disaster makes sense.

I’d much rather lynch worcej than bozo

Whelp. ##vote worcej.

I’ll try to be back on for the last half hour or so

After foodcoats and goldfinger moved there votes to maker the vote 3-3-3-1:

##vote bozo

This made the vote 4-3-2-1. Considering Tom was already voting for worcej, this was not an unreasonable self preservation vote as town, despite the fact he claimed I was his top town read. It was with 4 minutes left, so it was a preemptive move to put me in the lead. Tom also knew worcej or I could flip to him, since we were voting for each other.

Then xorxes changed his vote:

##VOTE worcej

they want to lynch bozo

The conclusion that "they", meaning goldfinger and Tom, wanted to lynch me, is certainly something I can agree with, but I do not understand why xorxes changed his vote from Tom to worcej as a result. Since I was already voting for worcej, it took away the opportunity for me to tie the vote by changing my vote to Tom. In other words, xorxes changing his vote made it more likely I would get lynched, rather than less. It did give someone else a chance to save me by voting for worcej, which Tom did:

Nah. Fuck it. ##vote worcej

Then, foodcoats help secure the save and prevent a tie:

Well shit

##VOTE worcej

For calling everything shit

One possible explanation here is that Tom and xorxes are scum teammates with goldfinger, and Tom and xorxes moved to lynch worcej over me at EOD so as to not waste all of the effort they put in trying to pocket me this game.

Another explanation is that Tom was pocketing me and xorxes is town and was trying to save me by giving Tom a chance to lynch worcej over me to be consistent with his stated preference.

A third explanation is that Tom is town and only voted for me for self preservation, and xorxes is scum who tried to ensure my lynch. However, I do not see a reason xorxes would do that as scum if Tom was town, because it would have been town vs. town. vs town.

The final possibility is that both Tom and xorxes are town, Tom voted for self preservation, and xorxes tried to save me.

Of these possibilities, I think the most likely is that Tom is scum and xorxes is town. However, this is not really because of what Tom did. If he is scum, I think he was clever to make his votes look reasonable and he did a good job pocketing me. It is more because I think goldfinger gave him away. There is one thing from Tom that reinforces this conclusion, and it is this post:

Nah. Fuck it. ##vote worcej

This makes it sound like his switch back to worcej was independent of the xorxes vote for worcej, and that he wanted to lynch me over worcej but then changed his mind. xorxes voting for worcej gave Tom a chance to lynch worcej over me to be consistent with he repeatedly said was his preference. He should have been thanking xorxes for giving him a chance to lynch worcej over me.

[goldfinger0303]

Rip Kak. At least it wasn't a PR. Cop scan pool should be nice and small now.

Using a joke as a reason to vote against bozo feels bad. I'm not really into that. Seems very similar to xorxes' push on worcej based on one reaction test.

##Vote xorxes

Imo it's a two-for-one lynch. If xorxes flips town, I think bozo is town as well. And vice-versa. And xorxes' bad behavior has been more egregious than Bozo's.

[bozotheclown]

I'll go with ##vote bozo, as I'm pretty sure worcej is town, and I don't like the lack of movement around Tom.

Now you set up a tie.

@bozo, why did you not vote for Tom when you said this?

I would have if no one else moved their vote, but I wanted to see what would happen first.

[goldfinger0303]

This was the votecount you were unhappy with:

VOTE COUNT 2.4

Tom Bombadil (4) -- xorxes, rdrivera2005, e.m.c^42, goldfinger0303
bozotheclown (3) -- foodcoats, worcej, Jamiet99uk
worcej (3) -- Tom Bombadil, Kakarroto, bozotheclown

Tom Bombadil is set for the lynch, which will occur 22 minutes.

FlaviusAetius must vote and meet posting requirements.

The only ones that seemed damn happy with this, or at least happy enough, were myself, rivera and bozo. bozo was probably nervous more than happy.

This is being deliberately obtuse. If Tom is town, then it doesn't necessarily mean scum are on Tom's wagon, right? You could be scum and voting for worcej and be just as happy as a scum who is voting for Tom.

[bozotheclown]

I'll go with ##vote bozo, as I'm pretty sure worcej is town, and I don't like the lack of movement around Tom.

When you changed your vote, why didn't you mind the lack of movement around me? Why were you sure worcej was town?

[goldfinger0303]

Then xorxes changed his vote:

##VOTE worcej

they want to lynch bozo

The conclusion that "they", meaning goldfinger and Tom, wanted to lynch me, is certainly something I can agree with, but I do not understand why xorxes changed his vote from Tom to worcej as a result. Since I was already voting for worcej, it took away the opportunity for me to tie the vote by changing my vote to Tom. In other words, <b>xorxes changing his vote made it more likely I would get lynched, rather than less</b>. It did give someone else a chance to save me by voting for worcej, which Tom did:

Well, I had expressed many times I felt the case against worcej was contrived, and you were the only other viable wagon. I wasn't going to do something stupid like foodcoats and try to vote for someone not on the main wagons. Starting a new one with five minutes left is crazy. It wasn't my intention to tie, it was just the only viable option.

But I think the part I bolded is very important because it escaped my in my initial reading of the votes. And upon looking back at the tracker, I think I agree with you. Xorxes didn't save you. He saved Tom, by robbing you of the opportunity to have a say in the vote. And then Tom saved you by moving, but that makes sense given his reads. With 4 minutes to go before phase end, could xorxes really be sure people would follow him to worcej?

[bozotheclown]

@Tom - Why you are parked voting emc now that he voted (on you)?

I’m voting emc because I think he is trying to push his likeability in order to avoid being lynched. I find him disingenuous. I dislike the Chaqa wagon. I’m null on Neph.

I’m not sure why you expext me to move off of him when he votes for me

##vote goldfinger

You did not mention Chaqa or goldfinger between not liking Chaqa's wagon on D1 and voting for goldfinger D2. What changed between these 2 posts?

[goldfinger0303]

Well, the part I tried to bold...

[goldfinger0303]

I'll go with ##vote bozo, as I'm pretty sure worcej is town, and I don't like the lack of movement around Tom.

When you changed your vote, why didn't you mind the lack of movement around me? Why were you sure worcej was town?

Unfortunately I just had a neutral read on you. If wishes could be granted, I would've gotten people to vote for xorxes. Worcej I was reasonably sure was town because his call-out of everyone at the beginning of the day seemed genuine to me. And xorxes jumping on him, saying that he was asking people to sheep, seemed utterly contrived. And from there on, xorxes was just tunneling.

But lack of movement just meant lack of any movement at all. If I hadn't spoken up, nobody would have talked going into EOD. Just a silent crowd of people content with a 4-3-3 situation, which seems insane to me. Usually there's *something* going on. People from the lead wagon asking others to hold true. People abandoning the bottom wagons. Something. The whole situation seemed very unnatural, and the fact that the wagons were identical to D1 after all the dust settled is even more unnatural.

[bozotheclown]

Then xorxes changed his vote:

##VOTE worcej

they want to lynch bozo

The conclusion that "they", meaning goldfinger and Tom, wanted to lynch me, is certainly something I can agree with, but I do not understand why xorxes changed his vote from Tom to worcej as a result. Since I was already voting for worcej, it took away the opportunity for me to tie the vote by changing my vote to Tom. In other words, <b>xorxes changing his vote made it more likely I would get lynched, rather than less</b>. It did give someone else a chance to save me by voting for worcej, which Tom did:

Well, I had expressed many times I felt the case against worcej was contrived, and you were the only other viable wagon. I wasn't going to do something stupid like foodcoats and try to vote for someone not on the main wagons. Starting a new one with five minutes left is crazy. It wasn't my intention to tie, it was just the only viable option.

But I think the part I bolded is very important because it escaped my in my initial reading of the votes. And upon looking back at the tracker, I think I agree with you. Xorxes didn't save you. He saved Tom, by robbing you of the opportunity to have a say in the vote. And then Tom saved you by moving, but that makes sense given his reads. With 4 minutes to go before phase end, could xorxes really be sure people would follow him to worcej?

My guess is that xorxes did not have time to consider all of that when he changed his vote, but there is an outside chance he could be scum with Tom.

[bozotheclown]

I'll go with ##vote bozo, as I'm pretty sure worcej is town, and I don't like the lack of movement around Tom.

When you changed your vote, why didn't you mind the lack of movement around me? Why were you sure worcej was town?

Unfortunately I just had a neutral read on you. If wishes could be granted, I would've gotten people to vote for xorxes. Worcej I was reasonably sure was town because his call-out of everyone at the beginning of the day seemed genuine to me. And xorxes jumping on him, saying that he was asking people to sheep, seemed utterly contrived. And from there on, xorxes was just tunneling.

But lack of movement just meant lack of any movement at all. If I hadn't spoken up, nobody would have talked going into EOD. Just a silent crowd of people content with a 4-3-3 situation, which seems insane to me. Usually there's *something* going on. People from the lead wagon asking others to hold true. People abandoning the bottom wagons. Something. The whole situation seemed very unnatural, and the fact that the wagons were identical to D1 after all the dust settled is even more unnatural.

What made you want to lynch me over Tom after deciding to vote for Tom over me one hour earlier?

[Jamiet99uk]

Everybody is talking about Tom, Bozo, and Goldchaqa.

You know who we're not talking about, at all?

Rdrivera.

Is he some kind of semi-clear? Why is he so far below the radar?