M1009 [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

It sounds like we played together before... but I don’t remember.

Like the name though!

After reviewing M25, M26, and M28, I find it hard to believe that Chaqa had no recollection of Kakarroto. It reminds me of M47 when Chaqa claimed to not remember playing with dargorygel and they turned out to be mafia teammates.

If Chaqa and Kakarroto are mafia teammates, both of them voting for emc early would be interesting, it could be unusual early bussing.

##VOTE Chaqa

Were those the games?

Anyone who knows me knows my memory is spotty at best

From this game. The similarities to M47 are what I find suspicious, especially considering there is a lot of evidence that Chaqa knew Kakarroto well at some point in the past.

[Jamiet99uk]

It started simply because Chaqa claimed he did not remember Kakarroto, but then Chaqa tried to call that reason suspicious before ending up calling me one of his top town reads by the end of day 1. I suspect he decided to try to pocket me instead of trying to get me lynched.

Why did you feel the need to start lying to embellish your "case"?

I mean other than the obvious fact that, now you've re-stated it, we can all see it's as weak as piss.

I provided a number of references as to why I believe it is unlikely Chaqa did not remember Kakarroto, and the reason I found it so suspicious is that Chaqa did the same thing in M47 and turned out to be scum.

Can you point out exactly what I said that you think is a lie?

Kak has said that you're lying about "Tho Office", and sharing accommodation.

[goldfinger0303]

Okay, so after re-reading everything, I think I may want to put a giant foot in my mouth and ##Vote Tom.

His very last minute EOD switch from damo to Neph is about the only solidly town thing he's done this game. However, there is a reason to scrutinize this, in the context of the rest of his play. We are very fortunate to know for certain that Tom switched from a townie to a townie. Moreover, he did it following a townie who did the exact same thing. So a question to everyone - is the scum team's choice of damo for the NK due to a fakeclaim? Or is it to paint Tom's actions in a better (or worse) light?

I think, depending upon how you look at it, you could reason it either way - either that the EOD actions and subsequent NK are meant to frame Tom or that they incriminate him. I personally believe the latter, and that scum were forced to NK damo due to Tom's actions EOD1. Frankly I don't think a reasonable person would believe damo's fakeclaim, and rdrivera is a much stronger townread to NK than the 3rd largest wagon at EOD.

[bozotheclown]

Why did you feel the need to start lying to embellish your "case"?

I mean other than the obvious fact that, now you've re-stated it, we can all see it's as weak as piss.

I provided a number of references as to why I believe it is unlikely Chaqa did not remember Kakarroto, and the reason I found it so suspicious is that Chaqa did the same thing in M47 and turned out to be scum.

Can you point out exactly what I said that you think is a lie?

Kak has said that you're lying about "Tho Office", and sharing accommodation.

My research also shows that Chaqa and Kakarroto drive the same kind of car, both watch "Tho Office", and were roommates in college.

Wait a second.
Wait a second.

Are these things true?

If so, you gotta wonder.

Chaqa gonna forget about a guy he bathed with in college, and spent so many hours watching "Tho Office" with?

I guess that is kinda..... suspicious.

I think your initial response demonstrated that you took that post as it was intended, I do not know why you are trying to scum read me for it now.

[xorxes]

His very last minute EOD switch from damo to Neph is about the only solidly town thing he's done this game.

Why solidly town? It's what he would have done as either town or scum to save himself. It's 100% NAI in my opinion.

[goldfinger0303]

In the worst case scenario, if Tom flips town, we gain valuable knowledge of the D1 wagons - as all top 3 were town.

In that case it would mean it is highly unlikely that scum were among the movers at EOD, and we should look among the people who had votes stuck on others throughout the day without moving. I'm looking at xorxes, Flav, and Kak among those.

And xorxes in particular <b>is off this game</b>

I don't like his push on lurkers early in D1. Lurker wagons don't give information.
I don't like immediately after rdrivera's "townslip" xorxes immediately jumps on it as a reason to townread rdr.
And as a whole, he's been overly defensive this whole game, even when there's barely any pressure on him.

My reads on worcej are unchanged from yesterday. His actions smack of towny-ness, and people are jumping on him for nothingburgers. I lean town on him.

[goldfinger0303]

His very last minute EOD switch from damo to Neph is about the only solidly town thing he's done this game.

Why solidly town? It's what he would have done as either town or scum to save himself. It's 100% NAI in my opinion.

He was already saved by that point. No reason to join the larger wagon. His vote on damo I understand to save himself, but his vote change from damo to Neph was unnecessary. Why draw attention like that?

[xorxes]

His very last minute EOD switch from damo to Neph is about the only solidly town thing he's done this game.

Why solidly town? It's what he would have done as either town or scum to save himself. It's 100% NAI in my opinion.

He was already saved by that point. No reason to join the larger wagon. His vote on damo I understand to save himself, but his vote change from damo to Neph was unnecessary. Why draw attention like that?

It only drew attention from worcej. Everyone else saw it for what it was, the obvious move for him as either alignment.

[e.m.c^42]

Now that Tom is a leading wagon, I'm concerned and feel like he's probably town lol

since based on past experience, if I poke and it works, it's probably town. (and this isn't once or twice, this is like almost every single time lmao)

[xorxes]

Now that Tom is a leading wagon, I'm concerned and feel like he's probably town lol

since based on past experience, if I poke and it works, it's probably town. (and this isn't once or twice, this is like almost every single time lmao)

Do you have an opinion on worcej's "reaction test"?

[goldfinger0303]

Why solidly town? It's what he would have done as either town or scum to save himself. It's 100% NAI in my opinion.

He was already saved by that point. No reason to join the larger wagon. His vote on damo I understand to save himself, but his vote change from damo to Neph was unnecessary. Why draw attention like that?

It only drew attention from worcej. Everyone else saw it for what it was, the obvious move for him as either alignment.

I think it would be reasonable for scum to pre-empt any further discussion, because importantly worcej was mentioning it during the night phase. Silence worcej, and you silence (hopefully) all scrutiny. To kill worcej would be too obvious. Better to make him convince himself.

[xorxes]

He was already saved by that point. No reason to join the larger wagon. His vote on damo I understand to save himself, but his vote change from damo to Neph was unnecessary. Why draw attention like that?

It only drew attention from worcej. Everyone else saw it for what it was, the obvious move for him as either alignment.

I think it would be reasonable for scum to pre-empt any further discussion, because importantly worcej was mentioning it during the night phase. Silence worcej, and you silence (hopefully) all scrutiny. To kill worcej would be too obvious. Better to make him convince himself.

I don't think scum can kill one of their own. And if worcej by some weird miracle is not scum, there's no chance that he would be NKd.

[e.m.c^42]

Now that Tom is a leading wagon, I'm concerned and feel like he's probably town lol

since based on past experience, if I poke and it works, it's probably town. (and this isn't once or twice, this is like almost every single time lmao)

Do you have an opinion on worcej's "reaction test"?

Which one/part of it?

[xorxes]

Now that Tom is a leading wagon, I'm concerned and feel like he's probably town lol

since based on past experience, if I poke and it works, it's probably town. (and this isn't once or twice, this is like almost every single time lmao)

Do you have an opinion on worcej's "reaction test"?

Which one/part of it?

Is it believable that he set up such a weird reaction test, or did he claim it was a reaction test in order to cover his faux pas?

[xorxes]

Wagonomics 101 would indicate that there's one scum in each of the wagons, unless Flav is scum.

[goldfinger0303]

Are people just not here? I don't get why its so quiet.

[worcej]

I am 8 pages behind and watching my baby atm.

Have I missed anything worthwhile?

[goldfinger0303]

I see bozo, Kak and worcej have the page open.

None of their targets are currently getting lynched. Why aren't they here pushing?

[rdrivera2005]

Wagonomics 101 would indicate that there's one scum in each of the wagons, unless Flav is scum.

Wagonomics sucks in small games.
Am I making the wrong choice between you and Tom?

[goldfinger0303]

I am 8 pages behind and watching my baby atm.

Have I missed anything worthwhile?

Tom is currently getting lynched.