MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[teacon7]

@damo you asked for my reaver candidate list. Here it is from my perspective:

damo - I thought about this a bit more, and... reaver!damo is a solid maybe. Converting damo is high-risk high-reward reaver play because mafia 1 would notice right away if damo made a false scan. That'd out him to mafia 1 as a reaver. If mafia 1 got "inno scanned" by reaver-damo, it's not like mafia1 would kill him right away. Depending when reaver!damo put in the "order" to scan emc, that play might have been a gesture of anti-town collaboration. Maybe it's tinfoiling, I don't know, but I could see that crossing his mind in this setup. That could have been a good play while he still had a deep cover team mate... gamble on outing himself to team 1, and create a deeper cover for additional NK's?


jamiet - worth considering, but I think unlikely to be reaver. It depends what the GMs ruled about backup doc activation. jamiet might have been a good choice. The assassin doesn't need to target the doc, nor would he want a backup being activated, so jamie would be an unlikely NK target.
Apart from the noisy re-posting... play-wise, he seems consistent as a disengaged town player. I can understand that, though it's worth noting that this is unlike his usual meta. He's an attractive reaver candidate contingent on GM ruling re: backup doc activation. Otherwise, he seems town.


peterlund - I misread his role desc, which changes the intensity of my reaver-evaluation some, but imo he's still a reaver candidate for two reasons:
a) Sorry, but he might be excused for strange press patterns more easily than other people. I could see rdrivera being the (failed) N1 conversion candidate for similar reasons. He could act weird and sheep xorxes all he wanted out of a recalcitrant spirit for the earlier vigshot, and no one would think twice.
b) Even without the vengeful shot, his role isn't useful enough to get NKd. He's also a lot less likely to get lynched in case he DOES have the vengeance-shot. As far as "obvious" N2 conversion candidates, he's pretty likely because he's got no way to verify his role, and he's likely to live to the endgame.

[teacon7]

@xorxes - did I miss what your theory is? reavers have to have a unique # of bare-votes?

[teacon7]

I think bunny did, but did Tem ever use BBcode?

It wouldn't interact with a search filter, but it might have been easy for a GM to scan for visually in an ISO.

[xorxes]

@xorxes - did I miss what your theory is? reavers have to have a unique # of bare-votes?

Indeed you missed it.

Theory is that Reavers are not allowed to make bare votes.

[teacon7]

didn't mean to stay on fox.

##vote temasek

[teacon7]

Theory is that Reavers are not allowed to make bare votes.

Why have everyone post unique quantities of votes?

Did we ever test capitalization with votes? iirc bunny pointedly didn't answer my question about that.

[teacon7]

quotes got messed up on that last, sorry.

[teacon7]

fwiw, the bot says we did have enough endvotes.

[peterlund]

fwiw, the bot says we did have enough endvotes.

That depends on the GM. Some GMs require more than half voting end and that they do it for the same candidate. We are ten, six is more than half.

[peterlund]

But Kit is having her beauty sleep at the moment, so maybe nothing happens because of that...

[xorxes]

##Vote Xorxes

First Level 1 Violation announcement:

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##VOTE WORCEJ

##VOTE GOLD

##vote Goldie

##VOTE GOLDFINGER

##vote kalel

##VOTE KALEL

##vote Goldie

Second Level 1 Violation announcement:

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##Vote worcej

##vote worcej

##vote worcej

Third Level 1 Violation announcement:

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##vote goldie

##Vote GOLDFINGER

##vote Fox

##VOTE TEMASEK22

##VOTE GOLDFINGER

##Vote Xorxes

##VOTE TEMASEK

I excluded damo and Jamiet before because they have made so many bare votes that have gone unpunished.

[xorxes]

Theory is that Reavers are not allowed to make bare votes.

Why have everyone post unique quantities of votes?

Did we ever test capitalization with votes? iirc bunny pointedly didn't answer my question about that.

If everyone makes a unique number of violations, then when the violations are reported we will know who the culprit is.

[xorxes]

Hammer Vote: The second level of voting is whether or not to employ the hammer mechanic. By default, days and nights are set to 24 hours long; however, players may instead elect to activate the hammer mechanic. Notate this vote with a pair of hashes before the word end. (EX: ##END). The day will end as soon as a majority of players are voting to endhammer. Please note that a majority of players on the same wagon is NOT required, simply a majority end votes will end the day with the current vote totals. If you are not able to vote before the hammer is dropped, you will not be penalized for failing to vote during that day. Every player must vote end to activate hammer mechanic during night phases.

I don't think half constitutes a majority.

[Chaqa]

As always we need a majority or six. So three more

[peterlund]

As always we need a majority or six. So three more

One explanation that we only had one death last night, may very well be that the reavers recruited the assassin. In that case there is no assassin that can NK. If this is true, we will only get one death each night the coming nights too until we find lynch both reavers. The assassin probably claimed VT and would therefore be a good reaver recruitment.

[peterlund]

Sorry, there was no reason to quote Chaqa there...

[Chaqa]

As always we need a majority or six. So three more

One explanation that we only had one death last night, may very well be that the reavers recruited the assassin. In that case there is no assassin that can NK. If this is true, we will only get one death each night the coming nights too until we find lynch both reavers. The assassin probably claimed VT and would therefore be a good reaver recruitment.

We know this isn't true unless Jamiet made a save, which he says he didn't.

[peterlund]

One explanation that we only had one death last night, may very well be that the reavers recruited the assassin. In that case there is no assassin that can NK. If this is true, we will only get one death each night the coming nights too until we find lynch both reavers. The assassin probably claimed VT and would therefore be a good reaver recruitment.

We know this isn't true unless Jamiet made a save, which he says he didn't.

How do we know that the assassin has not been recruited?

[Chaqa]

One explanation that we only had one death last night, may very well be that the reavers recruited the assassin. In that case there is no assassin that can NK. If this is true, we will only get one death each night the coming nights too until we find lynch both reavers. The assassin probably claimed VT and would therefore be a good reaver recruitment.

We know this isn't true unless Jamiet made a save, which he says he didn't.

How do we know that the assassin has not been recruited?

If the Assassin was recruited, their kills would no longer be un-savable, due to losing their role abilities. Two nights ago, Jamie specifically said he tried to save ND, but the kill was un-savable, and there were two kills, so we know:
1. Reavers had a full team because they killed instead of recruited
2. Assassin is not a Reaver since Jamiet's save failed

This only falls apart if Jamiet was a Reaver, but if he was, we'd know the Assassin is not.

[Chaqa]

I don't think the vote thing can possibly be the Reaver rule. Everyone has accomplished it as far as I can tell.