MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[xorxes]

Exchange between Fox and Chaqa that starts on page 164 and ends here:

No, but I thought it quite curious the first thing of significance you do all game is try to push me on it.

As much as hate on BunnyGo for Reaver hunting, I thought maybe one of the rules was that they couldn't say their teammates names.

I've resigned to not worrying about the Reavers until we flip one of them (likely goldie or worcej), and reviewing their posts later.

Food for thought:
goldie RP -> Tom converted n1?
worcej RP -> maybe Temasek or ND converted?

Just random musings.

It's rather bizarre, especially after Tem and Bunny ended up being Reavers, which nobody knew at the time.

[Chaqa]

To expand: let’s say Fox or I is the Assassin. Both of us would need to kill you last night or the night before even to keep us unknown and allow for more mislynches. This can only be explained away in two ways:
1. You are a Reaver and EMC is a “cleared” Assassin
2. The Assassin is not paying attention

Oddly scenario 2 fits Fox or EMC, but clearly cannot fit me.

So if you are the Reader you should be able to deduce the optimal lynch here is Fox, and if so, you should change your scan to a PR who you suspect has been Reavered and we can sort the Assassin out with a 50/50 lynch, but really logically a 100% on Fox, unless you think I’d really avoid killing you with an unstoppable shot last night.

##Vote Foxcastle

[Chaqa]

To expand: let’s say Fox or I is the Assassin. Both of us would need to kill you last night or the night before even to keep us unknown and allow for more mislynches. This can only be explained away in two ways:
1. You are a Reaver and EMC is a “cleared” Assassin
2. The Assassin is not paying attention

Oddly scenario 2 fits Fox or EMC, but clearly cannot fit me.

So if you are the Reader you should be able to deduce the optimal lynch here is Fox, and if so, you should change your scan to a PR who you suspect has been Reavered and we can sort the Assassin out with a 50/50 lynch, but really logically a 100% on Fox, unless you think I’d really avoid killing you with an unstoppable shot last night.

##Vote Foxcastle

^^ can everyone please read the above and the post before it for a logically consistent and concise reason for why we should vote Fox today.

[xorxes]

Ideal scenario is that you hit the jackpot and read one of them as Reaver. Then it's autowin.

I should read the one out of the pair considered least likely to be Assassin. Sound odd but...
I get a Reaver read it's game over.
I get a VT read, the other is Assassin and last Reaver is a PR.
I get Assassin the last Reaver could be PR OR the other one, hence worst outcome ironically. I am reading Chaqa.

I’d prefer you read Fox, if it’s all the same. I’m not a Reaver or Assassin.

If you are town, you want him to read you. You then get cleared of being Reaver.

[xorxes]

Ah yeah my math forgot the peter shot.

##END

Temasek is the lynch and damo has a scan in. GG, just a matter of time

No rush to end, we still have Reaver investigations to do.

[Chaqa]

I should read the one out of the pair considered least likely to be Assassin. Sound odd but...
I get a Reaver read it's game over.
I get a VT read, the other is Assassin and last Reaver is a PR.
I get Assassin the last Reaver could be PR OR the other one, hence worst outcome ironically. I am reading Chaqa.

I’d prefer you read Fox, if it’s all the same. I’m not a Reaver or Assassin.

If you are town, you want him to read you. You then get cleared of being Reaver.

I know I’m not a Reaver. I want to know if Fox is a Reaver could also be or not. I haven’t had my GM call about an Assassin turned Reaver answered yet...

Also sure. ##UNEND

[Chaqa]

To clarify my previous posts: I don’t think for sure damo is a Reaver, but I want him to realize that if he isn’t, Fox must be the Assassin for the reasons I laid out, and if we go that route and Fox flips VT, it implicates damo as the last Reaver for having lied about EMC.

[xorxes]

To expand: let’s say Fox or I is the Assassin. Both of us would need to kill you last night or the night before even to keep us unknown and allow for more mislynches. This can only be explained away in two ways:
1. You are a Reaver and EMC is a “cleared” Assassin
2. The Assassin is not paying attention

Oddly scenario 2 fits Fox or EMC, but clearly cannot fit me.

So if you are the Reader you should be able to deduce the optimal lynch here is Fox, and if so, you should change your scan to a PR who you suspect has been Reavered and we can sort the Assassin out with a 50/50 lynch, but really logically a 100% on Fox, unless you think I’d really avoid killing you with an unstoppable shot last night.

##Vote Foxcastle

Assassin has already lost anyway. The only decision on who they kill is if they want to help Reavers or help Town.

Or maybe they didn't go for damo because of dargo.

Or maybe they want to have an argument to accuse damo of being Reaver and thus discredit his reads.

[xorxes]

I’d prefer you read Fox, if it’s all the same. I’m not a Reaver or Assassin.

If you are town, you want him to read you. You then get cleared of being Reaver.

I know I’m not a Reaver. I want to know if Fox is a Reaver could also be or not. I haven’t had my GM call about an Assassin turned Reaver answered yet...

Also sure. ##UNEND

You may know it but the rest of us don't. You are one of the four in the likely position for Reaver level 1 warning. If you are town, Reaver-clearing you is important so we don't mislynch.

Didn't you read my explanation for why the Assassin could not have been reavered? Jamiet protected ND the night ND was killed. Either Jamiet is the last Reaver (and therefore Assassin is not) or Jamiet is telling the truth (and therefore Assassin is not reavered.

[Chaqa]

If you are town, you want him to read you. You then get cleared of being Reaver.

I know I’m not a Reaver. I want to know if Fox is a Reaver could also be or not. I haven’t had my GM call about an Assassin turned Reaver answered yet...

Also sure. ##UNEND

You may know it but the rest of us don't. You are one of the four in the likely position for Reaver level 1 warning. If you are town, Reaver-clearing you is important so we don't mislynch.

Didn't you read my explanation for why the Assassin could not have been reavered? Jamiet protected ND the night ND was killed. Either Jamiet is the last Reaver (and therefore Assassin is not) or Jamiet is telling the truth (and therefore Assassin is not reavered.

I made a GM call asking if the Assassin would lose their night kill if Reavered and they were the last scum. Kit has yet to answer...

But I suppose even if they kept the kill, it would no longer be unstoppable?

Hmm...

[Chaqa]

Meh.

I guess all logic points to damo being good then.

[dargorygel]

To expand: let’s say Fox or I is the Assassin. Both of us would need to kill you last night or the night before even to keep us unknown and allow for more mislynches. This can only be explained away in two ways:
1. You are a Reaver and EMC is a “cleared” Assassin
2. The Assassin is not paying attention

Oddly scenario 2 fits Fox or EMC, but clearly cannot fit me.

So if you are the Reader you should be able to deduce the optimal lynch here is Fox, and if so, you should change your scan to a PR who you suspect has been Reavered and we can sort the Assassin out with a 50/50 lynch, but really logically a 100% on Fox, unless you think I’d really avoid killing you with an unstoppable shot last night.

##Vote Foxcastle

And thus will clarify absolutely whether you or fox are the assassin.
##vote fox

Xorxes, why tem first? I agree that tem needs obv to die... But fox seems a better first lynch

I am willing to sheep you.

But isn't it better to clear off the assassin first?

[dargorygel]

Exchange between Fox and Chaqa that starts on page 164 and ends here:

As much as hate on BunnyGo for Reaver hunting, I thought maybe one of the rules was that they couldn't say their teammates names.

I've resigned to not worrying about the Reavers until we flip one of them (likely goldie or worcej), and reviewing their posts later.

Food for thought:
goldie RP -> Tom converted n1?
worcej RP -> maybe Temasek or ND converted?

Just random musings.

It's rather bizarre, especially after Tem and Bunny ended up being Reavers, which nobody knew at the time.

Hmmm

[xorxes]

##Vote Xorxes

If that's what triggered the D1 level 1 warning (a post with a bare vote) then this:

##VOTE GOLD

Should be what triggered the second level 1.

Jamie had made a bare vote before that, so that would clear him.

damo and Jamiet have also made several bare votes since, but there has been only one more warning, so they should be clear (if this is the criterion).

Then we have:

##vote kalel

##VOTE KALEL

##vote Goldie

##Vote worcej

that could have triggered the last warning.

[xorxes]

I know I’m not a Reaver. I want to know if Fox is a Reaver could also be or not. I haven’t had my GM call about an Assassin turned Reaver answered yet...

Also sure. ##UNEND

You may know it but the rest of us don't. You are one of the four in the likely position for Reaver level 1 warning. If you are town, Reaver-clearing you is important so we don't mislynch.

Didn't you read my explanation for why the Assassin could not have been reavered? Jamiet protected ND the night ND was killed. Either Jamiet is the last Reaver (and therefore Assassin is not) or Jamiet is telling the truth (and therefore Assassin is not reavered.

I made a GM call asking if the Assassin would lose their night kill if Reavered and they were the last scum. Kit has yet to answer...

But I suppose even if they kept the kill, it would no longer be unstoppable?

Hmm...

Don't you understand why it is impossible that the Assassin was reavered, unless town!Jamiet lied?

[Chaqa]

##Vote Xorxes

If that's what triggered the D1 level 1 warning (a post with a bare vote) then this:

##VOTE GOLD

Should be what triggered the second level 1.

Jamie had made a bare vote before that, so that would clear him.

damo and Jamiet have also made several bare votes since, but there has been only one more warning, so they should be clear (if this is the criterion).

Then we have:

##vote kalel

##VOTE KALEL

##vote Goldie

##Vote worcej

that could have triggered the last warning.

Pretty sure Bunny did some bare votes days 4/5 when he was already a Reaver

[Chaqa]

You may know it but the rest of us don't. You are one of the four in the likely position for Reaver level 1 warning. If you are town, Reaver-clearing you is important so we don't mislynch.

Didn't you read my explanation for why the Assassin could not have been reavered? Jamiet protected ND the night ND was killed. Either Jamiet is the last Reaver (and therefore Assassin is not) or Jamiet is telling the truth (and therefore Assassin is not reavered.

I made a GM call asking if the Assassin would lose their night kill if Reavered and they were the last scum. Kit has yet to answer...

But I suppose even if they kept the kill, it would no longer be unstoppable?

Hmm...

Don't you understand why it is impossible that the Assassin was reavered, unless town!Jamiet lied?

Only if the Assassin loses their factional kill if they’re converted, which is why I asked Kit like... four days ago :///

[xorxes]

##Vote Xorxes

If that's what triggered the D1 level 1 warning (a post with a bare vote) then this:

##VOTE GOLD

Should be what triggered the second level 1.

Jamie had made a bare vote before that, so that would clear him.

damo and Jamiet have also made several bare votes since, but there has been only one more warning, so they should be clear (if this is the criterion).

Then we have:

##vote kalel

##VOTE KALEL

##vote Goldie

##Vote worcej

that could have triggered the last warning.

Pretty sure Bunny did some bare votes days 4/5 when he was already a Reaver

Which ones?

[Chaqa]

If that's what triggered the D1 level 1 warning (a post with a bare vote) then this:



Should be what triggered the second level 1.

Jamie had made a bare vote before that, so that would clear him.

damo and Jamiet have also made several bare votes since, but there has been only one more warning, so they should be clear (if this is the criterion).

Then we have:









that could have triggered the last warning.

Pretty sure Bunny did some bare votes days 4/5 when he was already a Reaver

Which ones?

I’ll go look shortly

[xorxes]

I made a GM call asking if the Assassin would lose their night kill if Reavered and they were the last scum. Kit has yet to answer...

But I suppose even if they kept the kill, it would no longer be unstoppable?

Hmm...

Don't you understand why it is impossible that the Assassin was reavered, unless town!Jamiet lied?

Only if the Assassin loses their factional kill if they’re converted, which is why I asked Kit like... four days ago :///

No. Only if they lose their unstoppable kill, which they do. Kit answered this ages ago:

All powers attached to existing Power Roles are nullified when or if they are Recruited to the Reaver faction.

Assassin may still use the faction Mafia kill, but it is not unstoppable because that is only attached to the Assassin.