MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[goldfinger0303]

@rdrivera - I'm aware the phases are 48 hours long. Hence why its better to put pressure on the people that are here now, not the ones that will show up a few hours before phase end. We won't get any information from leaving our votes parked on them.

And again, we really need more people to speak up on the massclaim. Anything less than 10 PR claims is going to be next to worthless for us, yet invaluable for the scum. Getting a dozen people to claim PR or not PR helps scum because they can hide amongst the PR claims and not get caught. This is an everything or nothing push.

So I'm going to be scrutinizing the people who are currently pushing the mass claim who are *not* xorxes. I still do believe xorxes is town, and have good town reads on teacon and ND as well. emc is looking very suspect though. He has posted the third most out of anyone, but I just looked through each of those posts and the vast, vast majority of them are garbage. He has maybe 3 posts where he's actually considering something seriously, and just plugged a vote onto the silent Vecna. Moreover, he went from being skeptical about the massclaim to a full-blown supporter of it, and started organizing the chart to push people into thinking this was an already agreed-upon thing that we are doing.

And then there's this.

I gotta type up something useful, I feel very spammy lol

I don't like it. ##VOTE EMC

[goldfinger0303]

Xorxes, I will claim when we get enough people in agreement that will corner the scum. However, we have 8-9 people that are either sitting on the sidelines or have voiced hard "no"s to the massclaim. Anything less than 15 people participating, and we likely won't get enough PR claims to make any use of this information. Revealing prematurely while we have holdouts/lurkers will only help the scum going into the night phase.

[goldfinger0303]

Good let them shoot me hopefully after they lynch your ass

The shot comes before the lynch.

Xorxes....man you're making me wonder if you *are* scum.

Why on earth would the Vig not wait until after the lynch? Vig can shoot at any time during the night. Why not wait until there's more information from the lynch?

[goldfinger0303]

Xorxes....man you're making me wonder if you *are* scum.

Why on earth would the Vig not wait until after the lynch? Vig can shoot at any time during the night. Why not wait until there's more information from the lynch?

It should be obvious. If they hit scum they get a second shot. They could die N1 so they should not waste a phase.

Xorxes, yes they could die N1, but they would die at the *end* of N1. They can take the shot any time they want during the night and still get their second shot. Asking for the shot before the lynch is super poor play.

[goldfinger0303]

dw goldie I'll make the elaboration walls once the new year burning is over (skimming on phone atm)

but my general posts are shit until you get a concussion. then I look like god shitting purple mayonnaise, I tell ya

The imagery there was unnecessary, I tell ya

[BunnyGo]

Oooh, that's an interesting hypothesis there Bunny. Am I the only one it works for? If not, then sadly its not true, but thats some creative thinking you got there.

Will be reposting everything you asked. Apologies to everyone else for the upcoming spam.

Thanks for being a good sport. If I haven't said it before, I appreciate people playing out games from tough situations. It's a skill not enough people indulge (myself included when I'm in a bad mood). But it also makes this whole forum mafia thing playable.

As for the hypothesis, I was only searching for things you may have triggered. In all honesty, I think this hypothesis is probably false as all it would take is a player waiting a while to start posting, and then never posting too much to catch up.

Meanwhile a player like me drawing reaver would be screwwwwwwed. That's metagaming the reaver hypothesis, but ah well.

Mostly I'm hunting you as reaver for as long as I can; it's the current hypothesis.

[goldfinger0303]

@Chaqa - right now, who are your top three scum targets. Gotta have that much if you want the Money Hall solution

Nonononononono. STOP INTIMIDATING PEOPLE WITH MATH YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND WELL ENOUGH TO MAKE IT SEEM SIMPLE AND INTUITIVE!!

@Bunny - was just making my point that without having scum targets, his Monty Hall comparison was worthless (because you need to choose your door before the reveal). Also was just trying to get scum reads off Chaqa.

[goldfinger0303]

No. Only one shot per phase.

Ah, yes you're right. I read the role wrong. Still, I don't think a 50/50 shot D1 is worth the risk when compared to the extra information from the following phases. Assuming everyone massclaims, there's a 20% chance that the Vig will be targeted N1 (less if you factor in Doc, first mate and pilot). If we wait until D2 for the Vig shot, we'll have at least a 60% chance of getting scum.

If you're gambling so much on the massclaim, I don't want to double-down and have an extra gamble on the Vig shot. You're advocating for a very high-risk, high-reward strategy.

[BunnyGo]

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I don't like it. ##VOTE EMC

You may want to change your vote back...

[goldfinger0303]

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Claimed PR
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xorx
teac
darg
Tom Bombadil

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Claimed VT
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chaq
emc

I support the mass claim, although it would have been nice to have some consensus on it before proceeding. Have a majority voted in favor of a mass claim yet?

@bozo - from my reckoning, besides the 6 people who have already claimed, there's 3 (including you) who have supported but are on the sidelines until a larger number voice their feelings. Another 3 that are hard against. And then a whole slew who haven't made their feelings clear.

[goldfinger0303]

I wouldn't say we're to that point yet, Chaqa. There will come a point in time as more people chime in when it is anti-town, but even now the current list is of dubious value to town or scum.

[BunnyGo]

Well, you matched the page number counting pregame posts or not. Thanks again for being a sport about this.

[goldfinger0303]

Not a problem Bunny. ##VOTE WORCEJ

But reading back on that...pressure really evaporated on emc. And he still hasn't contributed. Going forward I'd concentrate your watches and cop scans on him and Chaqa. They're scummiest among the VT pool, in my eyes.

Bozo, I'm interested in any sort of potential reaver rule that I hadn't thought of. Especially one that's easily verifiable by the GM. And yes, if you look back D1 I was consistently pushing back on the notion that BH was a threat for town. I think this is only like my 5th game of mafia, and every time I've been scum or third party and get found out real quick. Did manage to pull a third party victory though, despite that. So was just laying the groundwork for when the inevitable happened.

[BunnyGo]

Not a problem Bunny. ##VOTE WORCEJ

But reading back on that...pressure really evaporated on emc. And he still hasn't contributed. Going forward I'd concentrate your watches and cop scans on him and Chaqa. They're scummiest among the VT pool, in my eyes.

Bozo, I'm interested in any sort of potential reaver rule that I hadn't thought of. Especially one that's easily verifiable by the GM. And yes, if you look back D1 I was consistently pushing back on the notion that BH was a threat for town. I think this is only like my 5th game of mafia, and every time I've been scum or third party and get found out real quick. Did manage to pull a third party victory though, despite that. So was just laying the groundwork for when the inevitable happened.

Is EMC a target?

Aren't you lucky, I've never had the chance to play the hunted...I've always been town.

[goldfinger0303]

Bunny, when you quote a vote, does that mean you're now voting for worcej?

So, forgive me if my memory is wrong, but Tem was a VT scan, right? That leaves ND, bozo, Foxcastle, Chaqa and emc.

Assuming worcej is not RP (though he could be, which is why my vote is on him), that means one out of those 5 is the RP. Tem could always be agent, but we're hunting RP here. ND I've been getting straight town vibes from, but he's been oddly quiet of late. bozo I am on the fence with, I just have trouble reading his reactions, but I'll lean townier than not. Foxcastle is almost impossible to get a read on due to low engagement. emc has fluctuated between posting nonsense and then ever since I criticized him for it he's dropped completely off radar. And Chaqa jumped all over my CC like hotcakes as soon as I made it. The scum agent would have wanted to push as hard as they could for the CC battle that *wasn't* between their guys. So he's more scum team 1 in my eyes for that reason.

That means emc is my best guess for RP currently. I could entertain Foxcastle as well.

[BunnyGo]

Bunny, when you quote a vote, does that mean you're now voting for worcej?
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For the games I've played (the last 3) the rule has been no, unless there were formatting issues.

To be safe:

##VOTE KALEL

[bozotheclown]

Not a problem Bunny. ##VOTE WORCEJ

But reading back on that...pressure really evaporated on emc. And he still hasn't contributed. Going forward I'd concentrate your watches and cop scans on him and Chaqa. They're scummiest among the VT pool, in my eyes.

Bozo, I'm interested in any sort of potential reaver rule that I hadn't thought of. Especially one that's easily verifiable by the GM. And yes, if you look back D1 I was consistently pushing back on the notion that BH was a threat for town. I think this is only like my 5th game of mafia, and every time I've been scum or third party and get found out real quick. Did manage to pull a third party victory though, despite that. So was just laying the groundwork for when the inevitable happened.

According the the Mafia Scoresheet, this is your ninth game, and you have been town 4 times. I am not sure if this exaggeration make your BH claim more likely to be fake, though.

[bozotheclown]

Not a problem Bunny. ##VOTE WORCEJ

But reading back on that...pressure really evaporated on emc. And he still hasn't contributed. Going forward I'd concentrate your watches and cop scans on him and Chaqa. They're scummiest among the VT pool, in my eyes.

Bozo, I'm interested in any sort of potential reaver rule that I hadn't thought of. Especially one that's easily verifiable by the GM. And yes, if you look back D1 I was consistently pushing back on the notion that BH was a threat for town. I think this is only like my 5th game of mafia, and every time I've been scum or third party and get found out real quick. Did manage to pull a third party victory though, despite that. So was just laying the groundwork for when the inevitable happened.

My question is why would you claim PR as the BH? That did make it inevitable that you would be caught.

[goldfinger0303]

According the the Mafia Scoresheet, this is your ninth game, and you have been town 4 times. I am not sure if this exaggeration make your BH claim more likely to be fake, though.

Have I really been in that many? Wow. Maybe my scum ones are the only memorable ones then haha.

[goldfinger0303]

My question is why would you claim PR as the BH? That did make it inevitable that you would be caught.

Why is getting caught a concern where I have a role that doesn't need to be lynched by town? My biggest concern isn't a town lynch, but an accidental NK or reaver.