MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

I know 100% today.

And I do believe you, but let’s take a day to, as RJ MacReady says, show us what you already know.

Okay well, what do you think of my D1 ISO of Goldfinger and his weird flip-flop regarding the EMC wagon? One moment EMC was garbage and a top lynch choice for Goldfinger, the next moment he abandoned the wagon and bad-mouthed other people for joining it. What happened in between? Bozo spoke.

I find it compelling - but it would imply that all three are scum, yes? Then the RP would have to be Hosuke or KalEl. I think Goldie/EMC is a more valid link with Bozo maybe just being an excuse for Goldie to switch - basically, I see the validity, but doubt two mafia are in the VT claims.

Let’s see how today’s EoD plays out. Keep working on the Goldie ISO - it’s very useful.

[Jamiet99uk]

And I do believe you, but let’s take a day to, as RJ MacReady says, show us what you already know.

Okay well, what do you think of my D1 ISO of Goldfinger and his weird flip-flop regarding the EMC wagon? One moment EMC was garbage and a top lynch choice for Goldfinger, the next moment he abandoned the wagon and bad-mouthed other people for joining it. What happened in between? Bozo spoke.

I find it compelling - but it would imply that all three are scum, yes? Then the RP would have to be Hosuke or KalEl. I think Goldie/EMC is a more valid link with Bozo maybe just being an excuse for Goldie to switch - basically, I see the validity, but doubt two mafia are in the VT claims.

Let’s see how today’s EoD plays out. Keep working on the Goldie ISO - it’s very useful.

So on that analysis, he really was bussing EMC, and he switched his vote to try to gain credibility with town Bozo? Possible.

[BunnyGo]

What’s your color coding in the iso?

I’m happy with our Inara understanding that she needs to RB gold if he is not doctor.

[Jamiet99uk]

What’s your color coding in the iso?

I’m happy with our Inara understanding that she needs to RB gold if he is not doctor.

Not really any colour coding, the colours are just used to highlight interactions with people. I was hitting the colour boxes pretty randomly, going mostly for high contrast colours. Some of the colours in that palette are horrible to read unless you're using the black-reversed forum setup.

[KalelChase]

What’s your color coding in the iso?

I’m happy with our Inara understanding that she needs to RB gold if he is not doctor.

Check.

[Chaqa]

Okay well, what do you think of my D1 ISO of Goldfinger and his weird flip-flop regarding the EMC wagon? One moment EMC was garbage and a top lynch choice for Goldfinger, the next moment he abandoned the wagon and bad-mouthed other people for joining it. What happened in between? Bozo spoke.

I find it compelling - but it would imply that all three are scum, yes? Then the RP would have to be Hosuke or KalEl. I think Goldie/EMC is a more valid link with Bozo maybe just being an excuse for Goldie to switch - basically, I see the validity, but doubt two mafia are in the VT claims.

Let’s see how today’s EoD plays out. Keep working on the Goldie ISO - it’s very useful.

So on that analysis, he really was bussing EMC, and he switched his vote to try to gain credibility with town Bozo? Possible.

This is what I was thinking, though I’m not sure why Bozo specifically.

[Jamiet99uk]

THE GREAT GOLDFINGER ISO, Part II

Night One contained mercifully fewer posts so this is easier.

P.62 Lists four scumreads, in order of strength:

Peterlund
Superstition
EMC
Bozo

It is weird that EMC is still in this list given how Goldie suddenly hated the EMC wagon in the approach to EoD1. Really inconsistent. Note Bozo is a scumread, but the weakest of the four.

P.63 Encourages Superstition not to sub out and provides some advive on terminology that a newberry might find useful.

P.76 Summarises some recent events in a very scum-who-need-to-provide-filler-content manner. (i.e. tells us that the Vig shot and vest have been wasted. Duh, we know that, we all just saw it).

Agrees to participate in any Reaver text test.

P.81 Definitely would have made a fuss if he was the 11th PR claimant, and joins Xorxes in suspecting Bunny for not highlighting this in his own claim.

P.82 Gives a reads list. Check it yourselves, but I notice the read on Bozo is very hedgy. His strongest townread appears to be Suspicion, which is interesting.

Also interesting that at this point he has no strong read on me (that's about to change as we get into D2!). Still scumreads EMC, and now scumreads BunnyGo and Damo who he did not mention much D1.

[Chaqa]

Could also be Goldie/Bozo scumteam thinking there were better targets day 1 than EMC

[Jamiet99uk]

So on that analysis, he really was bussing EMC, and he switched his vote to try to gain credibility with town Bozo? Possible.

This is what I was thinking, though I’m not sure why Bozo specifically.

Well I mean it was Bozo who started criticising the EMC wagon. So if he wanted to stop pushing EMC he pretty much had to agree with Bozo at that moment in time.

[BunnyGo]

Oh, since I have no counter claims, I might as well mention I crumbed in my first post. I hope this puts xorxes mind at rest. Serenity fans might have fun hunting it down. Although it does foreshadow my demise.

[BunnyGo]

If we’re lynching one of the Inari, my vote is for Hosuke for previous reasons. Xorxes analysis is starting to tip that way too I think.

[goldfinger0303]

@goldie, from your point of view, Jamiet pretty much has to be the Roleblocker. The Reaver option is really unlikely. So neither of the Companion claims is the Roleblocker. Someone has to have claimed Companion and not be the Roleblocker, right? Kalel had some intricate crumbs for Companion, so he appears to have planned to claim that role from early on. What's your explanation? Who is the Roleblocker?

Jamiet is still the RB, in my opinion. I think Reaver is between worcej and Kalel, tbh. I don't think the BH claim is genuine. RP could always claim RB power and then at a later point in the game claim to have RB'd a reaver, which would explain why a PR was unable to use their powers.

Also @Bunny, I understand his dad was in the hospital. Why are we treating that as an innocent clear, but not giving a newb who quit the game the same treatment?

[BunnyGo]

@jamie I’m on my phone so having trouble reading the iso. Sorry. But I do appreciate you doing it, especially if you turn out to be doctor. If you are scum, I applaud your commitment, seriously thank you for trying so hard.

[BunnyGo]

@goldie, from your point of view, Jamiet pretty much has to be the Roleblocker. The Reaver option is really unlikely. So neither of the Companion claims is the Roleblocker. Someone has to have claimed Companion and not be the Roleblocker, right? Kalel had some intricate crumbs for Companion, so he appears to have planned to claim that role from early on. What's your explanation? Who is the Roleblocker?

Jamiet is still the RB, in my opinion. I think Reaver is between worcej and Kalel, tbh. I don't think the BH claim is genuine. RP could always claim RB power and then at a later point in the game claim to have RB'd a reaver, which would explain why a PR was unable to use their powers.

Also @Bunny, I understand his dad was in the hospital. Why are we treating that as an innocent clear, but not giving a newb who quit the game the same treatment?

We were encouraging the noob to ask lots of questions , none were asked.

Then as soon as night comes he claims a role.

It’s just all suspicious and suggests he didn’t want help from us, but did what scum chat asked.

[BunnyGo]

@goldie, from your point of view, Jamiet pretty much has to be the Roleblocker. The Reaver option is really unlikely. So neither of the Companion claims is the Roleblocker. Someone has to have claimed Companion and not be the Roleblocker, right? Kalel had some intricate crumbs for Companion, so he appears to have planned to claim that role from early on. What's your explanation? Who is the Roleblocker?

Jamiet is still the RB, in my opinion. I think Reaver is between worcej and Kalel, tbh. I don't think the BH claim is genuine. RP could always claim RB power and then at a later point in the game claim to have RB'd a reaver, which would explain why a PR was unable to use their powers.

Also @Bunny, I understand his dad was in the hospital. Why are we treating that as an innocent clear, but not giving a newb who quit the game the same treatment?

I think kalels crumbs suggest inara or scum role block. I’d be surprised if reaver crumbed RB early. It’s not the obvious PR to hide. Much more likely to be scum RB hiding there. And I think it’s probably hosuke for that reason.

[BunnyGo]

By the way @goldie I applaud you as well for committing to the CC fight.

[xorxes]

Could it be that Goldfinger was bussing his team-mate EMC a little too hard, and his other team-mate Bozo warned him off?

I am not asking Goldfinger to answer this, because I know he is a liar, therefore his answer will probably be a lie. However, I would like everyone else to consider this.

Unlikely.

If goldfinger is Mafia1, then given that you would not be the roleblocker, then Hosuke/Kalel is likely the roleblocker. That means only one Mafia1 claimed VT (presumably the Agent) and so goldfinger would be the Investigator.

That would mean the other scum VT would be the Reaver (or worcej is the Reaver and the other VT the Bounty Hunter).

So it seems highly unlikely that goldfinger is in a team with two VT claimants.

[goldfinger0303]

So it seems highly unlikely that goldfinger is in a team with two VT claimants.

Absolutely agreed. Because I am not on a scum team

[xorxes]

Could it be that Goldfinger was bussing his team-mate EMC a little too hard, and his other team-mate Bozo warned him off?

I am not asking Goldfinger to answer this, because I know he is a liar, therefore his answer will probably be a lie. However, I would like everyone else to consider this.

Unlikely.

If goldfinger is Mafia1, then given that you would not be the roleblocker, then Hosuke/Kalel is likely the roleblocker. That means only one Mafia1 claimed VT (presumably the Agent) and so goldfinger would be the Investigator.

That would mean the other scum VT would be the Reaver (or worcej is the Reaver and the other VT the Bounty Hunter).

So it seems highly unlikely that goldfinger is in a team with two VT claimants.

Not to mention that one Mafia member warning another that they're bussing a third member a little too hard just never happens.

[goldfinger0303]

I do like having this discussion though, because it gives town a lot to work with heading into D3.

I'll also applaud scum Jamiet for putting so much work into the ISO. Really above and beyond.

I will just remind everyone of Jamiet's outburst after worcej's fakeclaim was revealed. Why would doc do that?