MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

As an aside I've noticed from doing this ISO, it's amusing that Chaqa's top three D1 scumreads were:

Someone who has flipped VT, someone who has flipped Twin, and Vecna who has been replaced.

(Chaqa announced his top 3 were Vecna, Rdrivera, and Flavius)

[Jamiet99uk]

Man Goldfinger has posted a lot. I'm up to EoD1 in the ISO.

[BunnyGo]

I know that I’m not reaver

But y’all should think about how illogical a choice I would be for a reaver visit considering I’m unlikely to make it late in the game. If anything peter would be a stronger choice for reaver since he is likely to make it late in the game

I agree. This is an outlandish theory. Just like me being reaver prime.

I think more likely reaver missed.

[damo666]

I haven't yet submitted my read PM.

Just so you know....

[Jamiet99uk]

I haven't yet submitted my read PM.

Just so you know....

Why do you feel obliged to tell us this?

I hope you will submit it before the phase ends?

[BunnyGo]

As an aside I've noticed from doing this ISO, it's amusing that Chaqa's top three D1 scumreads were:

Someone who has flipped VT, someone who has flipped Twin, and Vecna who has been replaced.

(Chaqa announced his top 3 were Vecna, Rdrivera, and Flavius)

Suggests Chaq is not BH.

[BunnyGo]

I haven't yet submitted my read PM.

Just so you know....

I’d rather you submit a “holding” read and change it in case you miss EOD.

[Foxcastle]

Worcej is a guaranteed lynch, so I'm good with that. But if we're going to have a debate about counterwagons: ##VOTE KALEL

[Jamiet99uk]

As an aside I've noticed from doing this ISO, it's amusing that Chaqa's top three D1 scumreads were:

Someone who has flipped VT, someone who has flipped Twin, and Vecna who has been replaced.

(Chaqa announced his top 3 were Vecna, Rdrivera, and Flavius)

Suggests Chaq is not BH.

Unless Chaqa is the BH and is hoping that he wins tonight if Foxcastle is killed. Wouldn't that be hilarious?

[Jamiet99uk]

This Goldfinger ISO is so long that I'm going to post Day One right now.

Bear in mind that, as you'll all soon learn too, I know that Goldfinger is scum. So I'm not looking for evidence that he is non-town, because Goldfinger is fakeclaiming the role that I know is mine, and thus I already have all the evidence I need. Instead I am looking for connections to other players, and other items of interest.

Votes and specific interactions highlighted for emphasis and readability.
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P.5 Comes in with an apparently pre-written "greetings" post and votes for Darg. Talks about how the twins can benefit town if used with skill.

P.15 Tells Kalel his early vote for Darg was "fishing for reactions", and unvotes.

Townreads Chaqa.

Finds Xorxes' massclaim idea "very stupid" and makes quite a long post arguing against it. Also calls on the Captain to claim.

Is very worried about the Bounty Hunter.

P.18 Appears genuinely frustrated that Xorxes claimed his role before consensus was reached about massclaiming. This is strangely out of step with his suggestion just three pages earlier that the Captain should claim.

P.19 Thinks the Vig should shoot before EON1, then changes his mind.

P.20 Discusses the Bounty Hunter mechanics as a "random crapshoot that town can't control".

Urges Bozo and Damo to post more.

P.24 Corrects Chaqa on how the Monty Hall problem works. Asks Chaqa about his scumreads. Chaqa scumreads Vecna, Rdrivera, and Flavius. Gold calls this list "a surprise". This is slightly odd as he will later join the Flavius wagon.

P.29 In a long post, Goldfinger agrees with "a lot of what ND has said" so far.

At this point, ND:
- Had disagreed with the massclaim and called it scum-motivated.
- Been remarkably polite (to the extent people wondered if he was RP).
- Called Chaqa "judgmental".
- Disliked spreadsheets.
- Disliked policy lynching.
- Disagreed strongly with Goldfinger calling for the Captain to reveal.
- Called for a Xorxes lynch.

So that's interesting.

Suggests Bozo's opening post is against the rules because of encryption.

Calls on people to stop claiming and says the massclaim should only proceed if there is consensus.

Now says he understands Xorxes' thinking in claiming but not verifying. Townreads Xorxes, Teacon, and ND.

Suspects EMC, says that most of EMC's posts are "garbage", and votes for him.

P.30-31 Argues with Xorxes about when the Vig should shoot (Xorxes was calling for a shot before EoD, Goldfinger strongly feels they should fire during N1).

P.31 Debates the massclaim with Bozo too (who supports it).

P.39 Tom Bombadil has just voted for Goldfinger. Goldfinger feels this is "unwarranted" and asks for an explanation.

Now feels "much to my dismay" that the massclaim is inevitable. Claims Town PR.

P.41 Joins the chorus insisting Xorxes should now verify himself, votes for Xorxes.

P.44 and P.46 Gets angry and salty about how stupid the massclaim was, what a fool Xorxes is, and how damaging all this is for town. Says that Bozo and Tom are making him "nauseous" with their support for Xorxes.

P.50 Sees that Xorxes has been confirmed. Becomes very happy and says Xorxes is a "great asset" to town. Unvotes.

P.53 Asks Xorxes for advice about who to lynch.

P.55 Votes EMC. Repeats his townread on ND and also says he townreads Chaqa. Calls on them to stop arguing. Wants the lynch to be EMC, Flav, or Peterlund. Thinks Superstition (now Hosuke) should be given a D1 pass because he is new.

P.56 Wants to know why Bozo scumreads KalelChase.

P.57 Agrees with Bozo that the EMC wagon is "questionable". This is strange given that Goldfinger is currently voting EMC and has repeatedly mentioned his scumread on EMC.

Moves his vote to Flavius because Xorxes has done so. "It's always better to have a town-led lynch". Calls Kalel and Peter "suspect" for joining the EMC wagon (that he was just on!!).

P.58 After Peterlund has moved to Flavius, he continues to criticise Peter's vote for EMC.

[Jamiet99uk]

Here is a very interesting take-away from that ISO:

At various times during D1, Goldfinger attacked EMC's posts as "mostly garbage" and declared him one of his top scumreads. He was voting him earlier in the day before putting a pressure vote on Xorxes while Xorxes was reluctant to confirm himself. After Xorxes did his GM confirmation, Goldfinger put his vote on right back on EMC and called for the lynch to be EMC, Flavius, or Peterlund.

Then, as if by magic, Bozo appeared, and criticised the EMC wagon, calling it "questionable".

Immediately, Goldfinger wholeheartedly agreed with this, started attacking the other people who had joined the EMC wagon that he was on and had been pushing, jumped onto Flavius and then continued to criticise people, particularly Peter, for voting EMC.

Could it be that Goldfinger was bussing his team-mate EMC a little too hard, and his other team-mate Bozo warned him off?

I am not asking Goldfinger to answer this, because I know he is a liar, therefore his answer will probably be a lie. However, I would like everyone else to consider this.

[Chaqa]

Whichever of Jamie and goldie is the Doctor has the most info to figure this out. Unfortunately, whichever one of them is the townie is not bothering to put in the effort.

I accept this criticism and apologise.

I now have some time, and the first thing I shall do is a quick catch up on the four or so pages I haven't read, and the second thing I shall do is an ISO of Goldfinger, equipped with the knowledge that he is non-Town, lying about his role. Currently only myself and Goldfinger's team-mates (if he's not the Reaver) know for sure he's not the Doctor. But since I do know that for sure, because I'm the Doctor myself, I may as well re-read him now, knowing for certain his guilt, to see if anything stands out.

While I am reading up could someone catch me up on why the wagons have changed so much?

I also notice that EMC has not voted, and has been absent for over 38 hours, having posted only once today. This concerns me.

Tom Bombadil is also surprisingly absent.

I’ve seen EMC online in the thread at least three times in this period, FYI.

[Chaqa]

Some movement because people stupidly think they should lynch one of the Inari instead of waiting for tomorrow and a scan to resolve it.

Using Scans to solve the easy questions is a waste of a scan, and we don't know how many scans we will have, this might be the last one (and that's assuming damo has not been roleblocked). Sorting the VTs will be the most difficult job. A scan on a VT is way way more valuable than using it to sort the Companions, even if it is not immediately conclusive.

In addition, mislynching a Companion is not even a terrible thing: it results in one scum caught and one VT cleared and we still have a Companion left. It's a pretty cheap price to pay for a mislynch.

We need to focus on the VTs. It is likely that there's Reavers there.

Did you just quote the flavor post that Mal said? I like it.

[Chaqa]

I would rather lynch Kalel because if we're right we most likely got rid of the roleblocker (then our PRs have much better chances to use their powers). If Hosuke is the scum I think he has to be the Investigator, which is less of a threat to us.

Strong disagree. I’m pretty sure Hosuke is the Roleblocker.

[Chaqa]

I’d be very happy lynching Goldie today on the chance the reaver didn’t spawn.

I would love to lynch Goldfinger today. But you can't move now, Bunny, can you?

Who else wants to lynch Goldfinger? I know he is not the Doctor.

Why would we risk it today when we know 100% tomorrow?

[Jamiet99uk]

I’d be very happy lynching Goldie today on the chance the reaver didn’t spawn.

I would love to lynch Goldfinger today. But you can't move now, Bunny, can you?

Who else wants to lynch Goldfinger? I know he is not the Doctor.

Why would we risk it today when we know 100% tomorrow?

I know 100% today.

[Chaqa]

As an aside I've noticed from doing this ISO, it's amusing that Chaqa's top three D1 scumreads were:

Someone who has flipped VT, someone who has flipped Twin, and Vecna who has been replaced.

(Chaqa announced his top 3 were Vecna, Rdrivera, and Flavius)

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[Chaqa]

As an aside I've noticed from doing this ISO, it's amusing that Chaqa's top three D1 scumreads were:

Someone who has flipped VT, someone who has flipped Twin, and Vecna who has been replaced.

(Chaqa announced his top 3 were Vecna, Rdrivera, and Flavius)

Suggests Chaq is not BH.

Unless Chaqa is the BH and is hoping that he wins tonight if Foxcastle is killed. Wouldn't that be hilarious?

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[Chaqa]

I would love to lynch Goldfinger today. But you can't move now, Bunny, can you?

Who else wants to lynch Goldfinger? I know he is not the Doctor.

Why would we risk it today when we know 100% tomorrow?

I know 100% today.

And I do believe you, but let’s take a day to, as RJ MacReady says, show us what you already know.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why would we risk it today when we know 100% tomorrow?

I know 100% today.

And I do believe you, but let’s take a day to, as RJ MacReady says, show us what you already know.

Okay well, what do you think of my D1 ISO of Goldfinger and his weird flip-flop regarding the EMC wagon? One moment EMC was garbage and a top lynch choice for Goldfinger, the next moment he abandoned the wagon and bad-mouthed other people for joining it. What happened in between? Bozo spoke.