MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[teacon7]

Yeah maybe so. Jamie's reaction wasn't great - reminds me of times when he's been caught in what looks like a no-win situation, which is scum-indicative.

I'm just nervious on this one. I like having a townclear xorxes. I don't like ignoring an obvious source of information.

but bozo is making a lot of sense right now. That can't be good. Maybe damo should scan bozo? heh.

[BunnyGo]

Damo, please scan me now. Please.

He doesn’t get result until EOD.

[bozotheclown]

Here is my prediction:

Bounty Hunter: worcej
Reaver 0: Kalel
Assassin: Chaqa
Customs: Jamie
Investigator: ND

I still think this is possible, but I tend to believe Kalel's Companion claim. If Kalel is the Companion, I would go with this:

Bounty Hunter: worcej
Reaver 0: ND
Assassin: Temasek
Customs: Jamie
Investigator: ItsHosuke

[BunnyGo]

No sense in reading Jamie, damo. Everyone will get their confirmation when Xorxes' vote count comes through.

scanning jamie tells us if he's a reaver or not.

leaving it to the VC doesn't tell us if jamie was reaver or mafia.

we need that info so we know whether to commute jamie N2. We could potentially stop the conversion of another reaver, and identify the entire reaver team.

damo can't be rb'd right now. he can at night.

Does scan diffferentiate between scum teams?

[BunnyGo]

The numerical value of C is counted in my final vote count at end of day, and will be accurately reflected in the final order of wagons and Town's lynch choice. C is a variable which will always have value either +0 or +2 depending on circumstances already described. This is not directly disclosed in the vote count.

Ugh. This makes it look like we never find out the value of C. It's only reflected by the order of wagons. So if there's a runaway leader (like d1), we don't get to find out HOW MUCH the lead wagon won by.

Makes me think xorxes was right about having to confirm himself yesterday vs. leaving it for today.

What if we lynched between worcej/jamie? Would scum try to tie it to save the BH?

This is easy. Have Xorxes and 1 other person vote on wagons by themselves!

[BunnyGo]

Well this is simple then.

Town agrees on who to lynch today.

Xorxes puts a solitary vote on someone else.

One other person will have a two votes on them as well.

Whether or not xorxes is roleblocked or reavered will show up in the vote count order.

Help me if I'm missing something, but the scan will be best used elsewhere.

Correction. One wagon with just xorxes. One wagon with just me. Then either his wagon is above or below mine.

[damo666]

Scan me NOW and get a GUARANTEED scum lynch of Goldfinger today.

Wait to confirm using the EoD vote count, and risk *not* lynching scum today.

Damo, you can solve a big piece of the puzzle now. Why wait? Be a hero. Scan me.

Doesn't matter if I scan you now or 1 minute before EOD. I wouldn't get result until after EOD.

[BunnyGo]

I could get caught up, but I don't see the point. This is my last post to the game (unless you spare me for some reason).

"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" is the saying that will dominate the day. It makes the most sense and even I would push for it, so expecting you to believe me and spare me to get a win as BH is futile.

I'll go out with these words at the very least:

1. To Kit: Thank you for putting together a unique and cool looking setup. Being a GM is a reward and also a curse sometimes, so be proud of the game you've made because it is good. Like all things, you couldn't expect what has transpired. Don't take the rest of this post as a personal attack at you - I want you to keep GM'ing and making awesome setups like this down the road!
2. To the people who pushed for mass-claims: You're right in how you are playing: take advantage of the information you have and play for the win. I don't fault you for that. But I want you to understand that, for me, this game has not been fun. If that means nothing to you, I hope you evaluate something about yourselves at some point. I am not trying to be mean with that last bit, but reality is we play this to have fun. Forcing people to be mechanically eliminated on D2 is fundamentally breaking the spirit of this game and you should know that. And before you point out I pushed for the MC, think about it for a second: what could I do? If I pushed back, you would've just lumped me into the VTs and scumread me for not cooperating, just like you've done with Jamie, Kalel, and Goldie earlier in the phase.
3. Speaking further on the MC and my general thoughts on the game:
   • I was doomed from the moment the mass-claim became a discussion. The setup, unfortunately, puts the M1 team, BH, and RP into a shitty spot. RP can at least get out of it because you all decided to focus on scum in general without thinking about RP early enough.
   • There were too many PR's vs VT's to strike a balance for M1 or BH. The Twins should've just been VTs and then it would be 8 PR vs 12 VTs/Scum. That would've made claiming much less valuable and possibly stopped it from happening.
   • The BH needs a kill to be a threat. I assumed they had one when looking over the signup thread (I assume too much too often) and didn't pay much attention at the time to voice this issue.
   • Somewhat already said, but the real game is town vs reapers. And since mechanics dominates everyone's analysis and you all generally fail to read people, my money is on the reapers winning.

So GL, I look forward to the God Thread. M1, you're kinda fucked and should just try your best to get the reapers the ability to pull off the win. I'll enjoy watching that from the sidelines.

##vote worcej
##end

+1000

[bozotheclown]

Well this is simple then.

Town agrees on who to lynch today.

Xorxes puts a solitary vote on someone else.

One other person will have a two votes on them as well.

Whether or not xorxes is roleblocked or reavered will show up in the vote count order.

Help me if I'm missing something, but the scan will be best used elsewhere.

Correction. One wagon with just xorxes. One wagon with just me. Then either his wagon is above or below mine.

xorxes will either have 1 or 3 total votes, not 0 or 2. We need a 2 vote wagon. I nominate you and teacon as town clears.

[BunnyGo]

We need 2 player to vote on a 2 vote wagon and xorxes to stay on a single vote wagon. The players on the 2 vote wagon should probably be town clears. Any volunteers?

1 player not 2!

[BunnyGo]

Well this is simple then.

Town agrees on who to lynch today.

Xorxes puts a solitary vote on someone else.

One other person will have a two votes on them as well.

Whether or not xorxes is roleblocked or reavered will show up in the vote count order.

Help me if I'm missing something, but the scan will be best used elsewhere.

Correction. One wagon with just xorxes. One wagon with just me. Then either his wagon is above or below mine.

xorxes will either have 1 or 3 total votes, not 0 or 2. We need a 2 vote wagon. I nominate you and teacon as town clears.

Ah. Ok then.

[bozotheclown]

We need 2 player to vote on a 2 vote wagon and xorxes to stay on a single vote wagon. The players on the 2 vote wagon should probably be town clears. Any volunteers?

1 player not 2!

Did you see my previous post yet?

[teacon7]

Does scan diffferentiate between scum teams?

Yes. Per the post on pg1, the scan returns a role.

[bozotheclown]

Does scan diffferentiate between scum teams?

Yes. Per the post on pg1, the scan returns a role.

Except for the Assassin who scans as VT.

[bozotheclown]

Correction. One wagon with just xorxes. One wagon with just me. Then either his wagon is above or below mine.

xorxes will either have 1 or 3 total votes, not 0 or 2. We need a 2 vote wagon. I nominate you and teacon as town clears.

Ah. Ok then.

Jamie is voting for me, but he is the scum suspect. peterlund is voting for emc, but he seems to be doing his own thing. I suggest you and teacon pick someone to vote for as the 2 vote wagon, since you both seem on board with the plan.

[teacon7]

Does scan diffferentiate between scum teams?

Yes. Per the post on pg1, the scan returns a role.

Except for the Assassin who scans as VT.

Agree.
Jamie is one of: reaver prime, doctor, or the customs agent.
Xorx wasn't nk'd so jamie can't be Agent, and there's no reason for the investigator to investigate xorx.

[damo666]

xorxes will either have 1 or 3 total votes, not 0 or 2. We need a 2 vote wagon. I nominate you and teacon as town clears.

Ah. Ok then.

Jamie is voting for me, but he is the scum suspect. peterlund is voting for emc, but he seems to be doing his own thing. I suggest you and teacon pick someone to vote for as the 2 vote wagon, since you both seem on board with the plan.

Ok. This is a good plan.

Teacon and Bunny vote for let's say me. Nobody else is gonna do that. BUT FIRST XORXES MUST VOTE FOR HIMSELF.

Others vote worcej.

Once I see this established I will read someone other than Jamie.

Anyone disagree?

[damo666]

Also it wouldn't matter if there were other wagons with one or two votes, Xorxes extra votes would change order.

[Chaqa]

Did no one read my post?

There’s no need to check xorxes when Damo is scanning Jamiet.

If we’re checking xorx this way, we should scan someone else

[Chaqa]

If Jamie is RP we just have Bunny zip him off to space so he can’t recruit, and then lynch xorxes.