MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[goldfinger0303]

Goldfinger is terrified of the scan being used on me.

He wants to survive a while longer.

Bozo is desperate to help his scum mate survive.

I can smell their fear. It smells like wet underpants.

Jamiet, if you were town you'd be arguing that a scan shouldn't be used on you as well. Because if xorxes has his extra voting power, you are mechanically confirmed town.

The fact that you don't realize this is telling.

[Jamiet99uk]

Scan me NOW and get a GUARANTEED scum lynch of Goldfinger today.

Wait to confirm using the EoD vote count, and risk *not* lynching scum today.

Damo, you can solve a big piece of the puzzle now. Why wait? Be a hero. Scan me.

[teacon7]

OK, so this means the value of C can determined without risking a tie for the top wagon if xorxes votes by himself and we have another wagon with 2 votes. The player xorxes is voting for will have 1 or 3 votes and the order of the wagons should show if his wagon is before or after the 2 vote wagon.

That would work, yes.

However, it seems like it would neutralize his vote(s) every time, until we know who all the reavers are. He runs a risk of being reaved every turn, correct?

[bozotheclown]

Scan me now, Damo.

Goldfinger and Bozo are afraid.

Why would you want to waste a cop scan when you can be verfied without it?

[Jamiet99uk]

Goldfinger is terrified of the scan being used on me.

He wants to survive a while longer.

Bozo is desperate to help his scum mate survive.

I can smell their fear. It smells like wet underpants.

Jamiet, if you were town you'd be arguing that a scan shouldn't be used on you as well. Because if xorxes has his extra voting power, you are mechanically confirmed town.

The fact that you don't realize this is telling.

I don't want to wait.

I want to lynch lying scum today.

The fact you want to delay things is telling.

[bozotheclown]

Scan me now, Damo.

Goldfinger and Bozo are afraid.

Why would you want to waste a cop scan when you can be verfied without it?

verified

[KalelChase]

If ItsHosuke is the fake Companion, then Superstition was probably told by his teammates to claim N1 before he was subbed. That means that if the Reaver did claim PR, worcej or Jamie/goldfinger would have to be the Reaver.

I'll do what I do best... regurgitate stuff for other's analysis.

Here are Jamie's and Goldfinger's posts between Page 27-32 D1

JAMIE
Wow, for someone who's such a high poster he's got no post during this window. Is it possible this is the Reaver breach condition?

GOLD - A single post...
Two quiet votes and rdrivera? That's a surprise. Given how active you've been, especially in pushing the massclaim, I thought you'd have a bit more insight.

[Jamiet99uk]

Scan me now, Damo.

Goldfinger and Bozo are afraid.

Why would you want to waste a cop scan when you can be verfied without it?

The fact you think revealing scum is wasteful is telling.

I want to lynch scum right now.

[worcej]

I could get caught up, but I don't see the point. This is my last post to the game (unless you spare me for some reason).

"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" is the saying that will dominate the day. It makes the most sense and even I would push for it, so expecting you to believe me and spare me to get a win as BH is futile.

I'll go out with these words at the very least:

1. To Kit: Thank you for putting together a unique and cool looking setup. Being a GM is a reward and also a curse sometimes, so be proud of the game you've made because it is good. Like all things, you couldn't expect what has transpired. Don't take the rest of this post as a personal attack at you - I want you to keep GM'ing and making awesome setups like this down the road!
2. To the people who pushed for mass-claims: You're right in how you are playing: take advantage of the information you have and play for the win. I don't fault you for that. But I want you to understand that, for me, this game has not been fun. If that means nothing to you, I hope you evaluate something about yourselves at some point. I am not trying to be mean with that last bit, but reality is we play this to have fun. Forcing people to be mechanically eliminated on D2 is fundamentally breaking the spirit of this game and you should know that. And before you point out I pushed for the MC, think about it for a second: what could I do? If I pushed back, you would've just lumped me into the VTs and scumread me for not cooperating, just like you've done with Jamie, Kalel, and Goldie earlier in the phase.
3. Speaking further on the MC and my general thoughts on the game:
   • I was doomed from the moment the mass-claim became a discussion. The setup, unfortunately, puts the M1 team, BH, and RP into a shitty spot. RP can at least get out of it because you all decided to focus on scum in general without thinking about RP early enough.
   • There were too many PR's vs VT's to strike a balance for M1 or BH. The Twins should've just been VTs and then it would be 8 PR vs 12 VTs/Scum. That would've made claiming much less valuable and possibly stopped it from happening.
   • The BH needs a kill to be a threat. I assumed they had one when looking over the signup thread (I assume too much too often) and didn't pay much attention at the time to voice this issue.
   • Somewhat already said, but the real game is town vs reapers. And since mechanics dominates everyone's analysis and you all generally fail to read people, my money is on the reapers winning.

So GL, I look forward to the God Thread. M1, you're kinda fucked and should just try your best to get the reapers the ability to pull off the win. I'll enjoy watching that from the sidelines.

##vote worcej
##end

[goldfinger0303]

Scan me NOW and get a GUARANTEED scum lynch of Goldfinger today.

Wait to confirm using the EoD vote count, and risk *not* lynching scum today.

Damo, you can solve a big piece of the puzzle now. Why wait? Be a hero. Scan me.

Jamiet.....scan results don't come in until after EoD. That's how we caught worcej lying.

[goldfinger0303]

OK, so this means the value of C can determined without risking a tie for the top wagon if xorxes votes by himself and we have another wagon with 2 votes. The player xorxes is voting for will have 1 or 3 votes and the order of the wagons should show if his wagon is before or after the 2 vote wagon.

That would work, yes.

However, it seems like it would neutralize his vote(s) every time, until we know who all the reavers are. He runs a risk of being reaved every turn, correct?

Tonight is the last night someone is reaved.

[Jamiet99uk]

Scan me NOW and get a GUARANTEED scum lynch of Goldfinger today.

Wait to confirm using the EoD vote count, and risk *not* lynching scum today.

Damo, you can solve a big piece of the puzzle now. Why wait? Be a hero. Scan me.

Jamiet.....scan results don't come in until after EoD. That's how we caught worcej lying.

That's not what it says in the OP

[bozotheclown]

OK, so this means the value of C can determined without risking a tie for the top wagon if xorxes votes by himself and we have another wagon with 2 votes. The player xorxes is voting for will have 1 or 3 votes and the order of the wagons should show if his wagon is before or after the 2 vote wagon.

That would work, yes.

However, it seems like it would neutralize his vote(s) every time, until we know who all the reavers are. He runs a risk of being reaved every turn, correct?

It is enough to determine if Jamie is town or scum today. If Jamie is scum, we will know if he is the Reaver when we lynch him. We can test xorxes again D3 when the lynch should be clear between Jamie and goldfinger.

[bozotheclown]

OK, so this means the value of C can determined without risking a tie for the top wagon if xorxes votes by himself and we have another wagon with 2 votes. The player xorxes is voting for will have 1 or 3 votes and the order of the wagons should show if his wagon is before or after the 2 vote wagon.

That would work, yes.

However, it seems like it would neutralize his vote(s) every time, until we know who all the reavers are. He runs a risk of being reaved every turn, correct?

Tonight is the last night someone is reaved.

Not necessarily, the Reaver recruit could get blocked or withheld.

[Jamiet99uk]

If ItsHosuke is the fake Companion, then Superstition was probably told by his teammates to claim N1 before he was subbed. That means that if the Reaver did claim PR, worcej or Jamie/goldfinger would have to be the Reaver.

I'll do what I do best... regurgitate stuff for other's analysis.

Here are Jamie's and Goldfinger's posts between Page 27-32 D1

JAMIE
Wow, for someone who's such a high poster he's got no post during this window. Is it possible this is the Reaver breach condition?

GOLD - A single post...
Two quiet votes and rdrivera? That's a surprise. Given how active you've been, especially in pushing the massclaim, I thought you'd have a bit more insight.

It was the evening of New Year's Eve, for Ghug's sake. I had announced I would be at a party and wouldn't be active for 12 or so hours. And that's where I was, surrounded by beautiful women, basking in the adulation of my peers and admirers, enjoying a drink and ringing in the new year, not arguing about massclaims and assclaims with you spotty rejects.

[teacon7]

Tonight is the last night someone is reaved.

ohhh yeah.

okay so unless they hold the reaving (which... seems like a bad plan for them), xorx is in the clear afterwards.

alright. we're on worcej, but need to hear from the companion CC's.

they're both WAY behind I think... is there a way we can summarize things for them?

[goldfinger0303]

True, but doc would have gotten notification if it was blocked. Pilot didn't use their power. So that leaves the two roleblockers to say who they roleblocked, I suppose.

@Mafiateam1 - it's in your wincon to see the reavers lose. If your roleblocker is about to get lynched, tell us who you RB'd.

[bozotheclown]

The Reaver recruiting the Captain does not make any sense since the lack of extra votes would eventually give him away. Therefore, I think Jamie is likely Customs, or maybe the Doctor.

[bozotheclown]

If Jamie is Customs and ItsHosuke is team 1 mafia, then ItsHosuke is likely the Investigator. If so, and worcej is the BH, then the Reaver claimed VT.

[bozotheclown]

We need 2 player to vote on a 2 vote wagon and xorxes to stay on a single vote wagon. The players on the 2 vote wagon should probably be town clears. Any volunteers?