MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[KalelChase]

I'm going to be forthcoming because I'm so late to these last 24 hours. I was lucky enough to get my vote in early, but completely forgot to put in a PR placeholder, so I missed the EoN for that.

Before ItHo comes out with what pile of crud Super left them with... did anyone get Roleblocked? Or would the team prefer ItHo say first?

@Kalel - help me out here. You just claimed that you were the companion. This CC's Superstition/Itshosuke's claim. Then you just told us you didn't get an order in at night.

How would anyone have "gotten roleblocked" in the first place? Am I missing something here?

I thought there were multiple roleblockers, not true?

[Chaqa]

You mean C could not yet be 1. It was zero then.

What we need to know is if Xorxes' votes to total 2 (ie C=1). Pedantic but we need to avoid confusion.

I believe the Captain gets 2 extra votes, and that xorxes got the extra votes as soon as he revealed, so he would have had them D1.

Sorry Bozo, my mistake. So it seems the voting resolution was bollocks. I'm now suspicious that Jamie may have Reavered Xorxes.

Anyway, I guess we lynch worcej and I read Jamie.

@Damo - what do you think of my above plan? If you find Jamiet is Reaver, and the Commute works as I believe it does, Bunny can zoom Jamiet off to space for the night phase, preventing him from recruiting if he is the RP. xorxes would be a stranded Reaver, and we would be able to prevent Reaver recruiting during Night 2.

[goldfinger0303]

No sense in reading Jamie, damo. Everyone will get their confirmation when Xorxes' vote count comes through.

I'm ok with the plan to lunch worcej today.

##vote worcej

[Jamiet99uk]

No sense in reading Jamie, damo. Everyone will get their confirmation when Xorxes' vote count comes through.

I'm ok with the plan to lunch worcej today.

##vote worcej

Goldfinger is very afraid of me being scanned, because it will reveal him as scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

Damo, please scan me now. Please.

[bozotheclown]

You mean C could not yet be 1. It was zero then.

What we need to know is if Xorxes' votes to total 2 (ie C=1). Pedantic but we need to avoid confusion.

I believe the Captain gets 2 extra votes, and that xorxes got the extra votes as soon as he revealed, so he would have had them D1.

Sorry Bozo, my mistake. So it seems the voting resolution was bollocks. I'm now suspicious that Jamie may have Reavered Xorxes.

Anyway, I guess we lynch worcej and I read Jamie.

We still need to hear the response to the GM call about the vote count. It is possible it was overlooked on D1 because it was not important.

[teacon7]

Doesn't that give the reavers n2 to make another reaver?

if we lynch jamie and he flips reaver, then we can commute/pilot reaver!xorxes to prevent making a third reaver.

You're close, but we don't need to risk it. If Damo scans Jamiet as RP tonight, Bunny can commute him. Only the RP makes the night-kill, so we don't have to worry about xorxes.

This actually works really well now that I think about it.
Day 2 - lynch worcej. Scan Jamiet.
Night 2 - if Jamiet scans RP, Damo tells Bunny so Bunny can commute him. This delays/removes threat of Reavers for a bit.
Day 3 - lynch xorxes if Jamiet is RP. If Jamiet is Doc, lynch goldie.

The only problem is that mafia 1 might roleblock the pilot....?

I guess they'd only do that if jamie was mafia though. If jamie was reaver, mafia 1 would also want him unavailable. xorx would be a reaver, but just a vanilla reaver, so that's not a big deal.

alright, at that point I think I can ##vote worcej, and wait to hear more from Itshosuke/Kalel

@SCUM: don't roleblock the town pilot. It'll help us manage our reaver situation.



This plan reminds me of Magic the Gathering, where I'd play cards like capsize or flicker or even flickerwisp to temporarily remove things I didn't want to deal with.

[Chaqa]

If Jamie is the Doctor, we lynch goldie, at least...

[Chaqa]

You're close, but we don't need to risk it. If Damo scans Jamiet as RP tonight, Bunny can commute him. Only the RP makes the night-kill, so we don't have to worry about xorxes.

This actually works really well now that I think about it.
Day 2 - lynch worcej. Scan Jamiet.
Night 2 - if Jamiet scans RP, Damo tells Bunny so Bunny can commute him. This delays/removes threat of Reavers for a bit.
Day 3 - lynch xorxes if Jamiet is RP. If Jamiet is Doc, lynch goldie.

The only problem is that mafia 1 might roleblock the pilot....?

I guess they'd only do that if jamie was mafia though. If jamie was reaver, mafia 1 would also want him unavailable. xorx would be a reaver, but just a vanilla reaver, so that's not a big deal.

alright, at that point I think I can ##vote worcej, and wait to hear more from Itshosuke/Kalel

@SCUM: don't roleblock the town pilot. It'll help us manage our reaver situation.



This plan reminds me of Magic the Gathering, where I'd play cards like capsize or flicker or even flickerwisp to temporarily remove things I didn't want to deal with.

My understanding is that the Pilot's commute can't be roleblocked. There was a GM note at some point removing the Commute from the EoN adjudication, since it didn't make sense in the context of that role.

[teacon7]

No sense in reading Jamie, damo. Everyone will get their confirmation when Xorxes' vote count comes through.

scanning jamie tells us if he's a reaver or not.

leaving it to the VC doesn't tell us if jamie was reaver or mafia.

we need that info so we know whether to commute jamie N2. We could potentially stop the conversion of another reaver, and identify the entire reaver team.

damo can't be rb'd right now. he can at night.

[bozotheclown]

Damo, please scan me now. Please.

We are waiting on a GM call to find out if we will know if xorxes still has his 2 extra votes at EOD. If he does still have the extra votes, you will essentially be confirmed as Doctor, since it would rule out your visit to xorxes as Reaver or Customs. If so, damo scanning you would be a wasted scan.

[Kitsune]

1. The player will still receive a +C in the VC with the special votes (if any) taking effect to the order of wagons at EOD.

A Reaver’d captain doesn’t lose his votes???

He does. But we only see +C. We find out what C is worth at EOD ##CALL GM is that correct? You’ll tell all of us the numerical value of C at EOD?

##CALL GM: Can you confirm that Xorx has either 1 or 3 votes in the EoD official VC?

@GM Do we get to know the number of Xorxes" votes even if it is immaterial to the result.

The numerical value of C is counted in my final vote count at end of day, and will be accurately reflected in the final order of wagons and Town's lynch choice. C is a variable which will always have value either +0 or +2 depending on circumstances already described. This is not directly disclosed in the vote count.

##CallGM - can the Commuter's action be roleblocked? It works similar to the Space Stone from the EndGame, right, where it takes effect immediately?

The Commuter's action takes place at the time it is triggered (either when the PM is received by GMs or at the time specified via PM). If the Commuter is roleblocked at that stage (remember, he may not know this unless he has previously attempted to use his power during the roleblock window) then his action is roleblocked and he is notified his action has failed.

[bozotheclown]

No sense in reading Jamie, damo. Everyone will get their confirmation when Xorxes' vote count comes through.

scanning jamie tells us if he's a reaver or not.

leaving it to the VC doesn't tell us if jamie was reaver or mafia.

we need that info so we know whether to commute jamie N2. We could potentially stop the conversion of another reaver, and identify the entire reaver team.

damo can't be rb'd right now. he can at night.

I do not know if it is worth using a scan for that when it could be used elsewhere. If Jamie is confirmed as scum, he can be commuted as a precaution.

[Jamiet99uk]

Scan me now, Damo.

Goldfinger and Bozo are afraid.

[teacon7]

The numerical value of C is counted in my final vote count at end of day, and will be accurately reflected in the final order of wagons and Town's lynch choice. C is a variable which will always have value either +0 or +2 depending on circumstances already described. This is not directly disclosed in the vote count.

Ugh. This makes it look like we never find out the value of C. It's only reflected by the order of wagons. So if there's a runaway leader (like d1), we don't get to find out HOW MUCH the lead wagon won by.

Makes me think xorxes was right about having to confirm himself yesterday vs. leaving it for today.

What if we lynched between worcej/jamie? Would scum try to tie it to save the BH?

[bozotheclown]

A Reaver’d captain doesn’t lose his votes???

He does. But we only see +C. We find out what C is worth at EOD ##CALL GM is that correct? You’ll tell all of us the numerical value of C at EOD?

##CALL GM: Can you confirm that Xorx has either 1 or 3 votes in the EoD official VC?

@GM Do we get to know the number of Xorxes" votes even if it is immaterial to the result.

The numerical value of C is counted in my final vote count at end of day, and will be accurately reflected in the final order of wagons and Town's lynch choice. C is a variable which will always have value either +0 or +2 depending on circumstances already described. This is not directly disclosed in the vote count.

##CallGM - can the Commuter's action be roleblocked? It works similar to the Space Stone from the EndGame, right, where it takes effect immediately?

The Commuter's action takes place at the time it is triggered (either when the PM is received by GMs or at the time specified via PM). If the Commuter is roleblocked at that stage (remember, he may not know this unless he has previously attempted to use his power during the roleblock window) then his action is roleblocked and he is notified his action has failed.

OK, so this means the value of C can determined without risking a tie for the top wagon if xorxes votes by himself and we have another wagon with 2 votes. The player xorxes is voting for will have 1 or 3 votes and the order of the wagons should show if his wagon is before or after the 2 vote wagon.

[bozotheclown]

##CALL GM

To be clear, the value of C will affect the order of all wagons, not just the top wagon? If C is 2 and it makes the total vote count for a wagon 3, that wagon will be listed before a 2 vote wagon, where it would be listed after a 2 vote wagon if C is 0 and the total vote count for that wagon would be 1?

[KalelChase]

He does. But we only see +C. We find out what C is worth at EOD ##CALL GM is that correct? You’ll tell all of us the numerical value of C at EOD?

This is an important question.

FlaviusAetius (9 + C) - rdrivera2005, teacon7, dargorygel, xorxes, Chaqa, goldfinger0303, bozotheclown, Tom Bombadil, peterlund,
e.m.c^42 (6) - Temasek22, Jamiet99uk, KalelChase, BunnyGo, damo666,
FlaviusAetius
Jamiet99uk (1) - e.m.c^42
Chaqa (1) - ND
xorxes (1) - Superstition
bozotheclown (1) - worcej

This was from EOD D1, and we never found out the value of C, although this could be because there was no way it could not be 2 yet. If we do not find out the value of C at EOD, that means we will not be able to determine if Jamie is the doctor at EOD.

You mean C could not yet be 1. It was zero then.

What we need to know is if Xorxes' votes to total 2 (ie C=1). Pedantic but we need to avoid confusion.

To clarify, one wagon at X with Xorxes on it, and one wagon at X+1... I think I'd agree with Chaq here.

[goldfinger0303]

Well this is simple then.

Town agrees on who to lynch today.

Xorxes puts a solitary vote on someone else.

One other person will have a two votes on them as well.

Whether or not xorxes is roleblocked or reavered will show up in the vote count order.

Help me if I'm missing something, but the scan will be best used elsewhere.

[Jamiet99uk]

Goldfinger is terrified of the scan being used on me.

He wants to survive a while longer.

Bozo is desperate to help his scum mate survive.

I can smell their fear. It smells like wet underpants.