MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm trying to decide whether we should lynch peterlund, ND or BunnyGo.

Currently we are lynching you. You can do something about that, yet you choose not to. Are you really willing to die of stubbornness?

[Chaqa]

REVEAL command is on the mail. The GMs don't seem to be online though, so y' all will need to be patient.

Thank you!

[Chaqa]

I'm trying to decide whether we should lynch peterlund, ND or BunnyGo.

I vote we should one and Lynch the other.

If somehow vig is in that group, they should claim and shoot another.

[Jamiet99uk]

REVEAL command is on the mail. The GMs don't seem to be online though, so y' all will need to be patient.

Oh wait ok you're revealing.

Took you long enough, but thanks for finally agreeing to be sensible.

[Jamiet99uk]

DAMO666 - D1 ISO

Says he's short on time.

Says he's busy.

Claims Town PR.

Says he needs to catch up.

Votes Flav with no explanation.

Verdict: SCUMLEAN

[peterlund]

I'm trying to decide whether we should lynch peterlund, ND or BunnyGo.

What is the charge "disobedience", "not following orders issued by the claimed Captain"?

[xorxes]

I'm trying to decide whether we should lynch peterlund, ND or BunnyGo.

I vote we should one and Lynch the other.

If somehow vig is in that group, they should claim and shoot another.

Vig should not claim Vig yet, and presumably they have already claimed PR. If they haven't claimed PR, they should just claim PR, so that the Cop doesn't waste a scan on them.

[xorxes]

I'm trying to decide whether we should lynch peterlund, ND or BunnyGo.

What is the charge "disobedience", "not following orders issued by the claimed Captain"?

The main charge is being in the group that cannot clear themselves.

[peterlund]

I'm trying to decide whether we should lynch peterlund, ND or BunnyGo.

What is the charge "disobedience", "not following orders issued by the claimed Captain"?

The main charge is being in the group that cannot clear themselves.

"Clear" is a strong word. No-one is cleared in any way so far. Now we are waiting for the first clearance, yours...

[Jamiet99uk]

RDRIVERA - D1 ISO

P1. Says hello and likes to see me pressuring EMC.

P12. Votes Worcej for pressuring him, in a kinda OMGUS-ish manner. Thinks Worcej is buddyin Xorxes. Doesn't like the massclaim and feels it gives power to the Reaver.

P16. Decides Worcej was not buddying Xorxes. Unvotes. Still doesn't like the massclaim. Does like Temasek.

P21. Corrects Kalelchase over the correct description of the Portugese language.

P24. Says he will claim if Xorxes confirms.

P27. Suspects Xorxes is the Reaver Prime and thinks his massclaim is connected to this.

P28. Starts asking about claiming.

P29. Now believes Xorxes is the Captain. Claims Town PR.

P35. Assures Peterlund he expects Xorxes to confirm.

P36. Votes Flavius because "I have a feeling".

P42. Likes Bozo's post where Bozo pressured Kalel to claim.

Conclusions:

This is quite an interesting little ISO. In particular there's a clear point where Rdrivera goes from being highly suspicious of Xorxes and opposed to the massclaim, to suddenly thinking the massclaim is fine, believing Xorxes, claiming himself in circumstances where he'd earlier stated he wouldn't do so, and supporting Bozo in pressuring non-claimants. An odd change of attitude in a short space of time.

Verdict: SCUMLEAN

@Rdrivera: You repeatedly stated your opposition to the massclaim and on p.24 said you'd only claim if Xorxes confirmed. Yet, on p.29, you claimed Town PR when Xorxes had not confirmed.

Why did you change your mind about claiming? What made you go from suspecting Xorxes was the RP making a gambit (page 27), to believing his Captain claim two pages later?

[xorxes]

It was more to the point that this has not turned out to be beneficial to town at all. The skeptics are right, and there should be even more scrutiny on xorxes now.

It has been pretty beneficial. At least one scum is already caught (whoever fakeclaimed PR), and the other four are all in a small group of nine.

Of course we won't lynch among the claimed PRs, but we *know* there's what, at least two scum among the PR claims now? If not more?

How do we know that? There are 10 PRs and 11 claims.

That means instead of the promoted 50/50 odds, it is now a majority chance that we lunch a VT among the unclaimed or VT claimants.

The unclaimed are much juicier. Yes, we lynch and shoot there. Worst case scenario we reduce the scumpool even more.

And some among the unclaimed are just lurkers and haven't contributed, so how the hell is this different than lynching a lurker D1? Which I thought most people agreed gives the town NO information. So why are we doing that?

We won't be doing Vecna today, and probably not Superstition either. Lurkers are a problem massclaim or no massclaim.

And there are people among the PR claims, like damo, who haven't contributed anything at all other than to say "I'm PR" and completely escape any scrutiny. Why are we letting that pass?

If when they claim, nobody counterclaims them, they are town. That's the luxury that PRs have. They can play awful and still not get lynched.

And bozo and Tom are buddying xorxes so hard it's making me nauseous.

And you're voting for someone you know is town.

[Kitsune]

##Call GM
Can the +2 the Captain gets after reveal be role-blocked by people like the Companion?

Yes. This is deemed an ongoing active role power and can be blocked by a role blocking power affecting the Captain during day phase.

##CALL GM

Will Vecna be replaced before EoD?

We are currently speaking with subs to find a replacement.

Replacement will take place at EOD, meaning Vecna’s slot is immune to posting and voting requirements until phase change.

[xorxes]

What is the charge "disobedience", "not following orders issued by the claimed Captain"?

The main charge is being in the group that cannot clear themselves.

"Clear" is a strong word. No-one is cleared in any way so far. Now we are waiting for the first clearance, yours...

Which you know will come.

So you better be deciding who you will want to lynch. So far you've only pushed for uncced PR.

[ND]

Chaqa just said a whole lot of nothing on Page 45

he is my second pick for scum

[Jamiet99uk]

DARGORYGEL - D1 ISO

P14. Opposed to the massclaim. Thinks it endangers the PRs and doesn't produce a good lynch pool.

P21. Comes up with the very sensible idea that PRs should only claim "PR" not their specific role. Once Xorxes agrees to this, Darg leans in favour of being comfortable with the massclaim.

P.28. Apologises that he'll be absent for a while. Claims PR.

P33. Is interested in the GM warning to the Reaver. Votes Peter for largely meta reasons.

VERDICT = TOWNLEAN

I townlean Darg here despite his very limited participation, for having the very sensible idea that PRs should not claim their specific role. If he was scum that thought it likely the massclaim would happen, bearing in mind his P.14 comments also, I think he'd have kept quiet about that, and claimed VT while the number of VT claimants was low.

[ND]

I have no clue what that moron Chaqa is talking about. But, yeah vote xorxes he is high probable scum.

He can end this at any time by verifying. The fact that he hasn't yet means it is very likley he is not captain. If he was the captain he would have just had the GM to verify his role and then started the whole mass claim plan.

Why does every mention of me have to be “the moron Chaqa” or “the idiot Chaqa”?

Did I hurt your orange-faced pride?

No clue what orange face means, but yeah your dumb. Sorry if it rubs you the wrong way. Just accept your ignorant self and move on Camaro

[ND]

I'll wait for the "reveal" before posting my role, but if you are indeed the Captain then i will be moderately surprised.

[goldfinger0303]

I must've miscounted. I thought there were 12 claims, not 11. So, slightly better than I was worrying.

And xorxes, until Kit posts, we don't *know* you're town. I'll take my vote off you as soon as that happens

[xorxes]

For later reference, state of the vote before reveal:

xorxes (8) ND Bunny peterlund Jamiet worcej goldfinger Kalel Chaqa
peterlund (4) dargo xorxes Tom bozo
Flav (2) rdrivera damo
Jamiet (1) e.m.c^42
bozotheclown (1) teacon7
Chaqa (1) Flav
e.m.c^42 (1) Tem

[rdrivera2005]

I'm trying to decide whether we should lynch peterlund, ND or BunnyGo.

Any of this three are good lynches and I will follow. But ND and Bunny are way ahead of Peter, that know claiming is good for town at this point and they want to get Xorxes really lynched.