MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

Yes, but I would also lose the votes if I was roleblocked, apparently.

Huh?

Roleblocks happen at night.

Are you claiming you're actually a role that votes during the night? How interesting.

[xorxes]

Yes, but I would also lose the votes if I was roleblocked, apparently.

Huh?

Roleblocks happen at night.

Are you claiming you're actually a role that votes during the night? How interesting.

Roleblocks extend to the day phase in this game. Read the roles.

[Jamiet99uk]

"If you and your companion survive the night and you are not roleblocked, the target is roleblocked for all end-of-night effects and the following day phase."

Hmm. That's very unusual.

[Chaqa]

Claimed PR
xorx (Captain)
teac
darg
Tom Bombadil
rdrivera
damo
worcej
Jamiet
Goldfinger
KalelChase
BunnyGo

Claimed VT
chaqa
emc
bozo
Temasek

Not claimed
Flavius
ND
peterlund
Superstition
Vecna (to be subbed)

Excellent. So we know (at least) one PR claimant is lying (Kalel or Bunny are my top candidates). We can sort them out later.

If any of Flav/ND/peterlund/Superstition wants to claim PR they should do it now. Otherwise they are letting scum get away with a fake PR claim for no reason.

If they don't claim PR, we can assume they are claiming VT (which is kind of interesting, given that peterlund implied he was a PR).

##VOTE peterlund then.

I agree the unclaimed group makes sense, but I have to say ND or Flavius seem most likely to be non-town.

I’ll vote for one of them or maybe peter after xorxes reveals

[peterlund]

Because you have not claimed PR, only implied it, and now you're being cagey about it.

I believed you might actually be PR when there were enough slots available. Now it's overcrowded, and you have not even claimed PR.

Already in the sign-up thread I said I would not be part of any "mass-claim".

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Why are you surprised?

[Chaqa]

Well, congratulations everyone, the scenario that seemed blaringly obvious happened. Now scum know who our PRs are, while we don't have a damn clue. Scum will now successfully hit PRs tonight while we are forced to potentially mislynch one of our own PRs. This is why the massclaim was stupid.

Oh yes doom and gloom is the right attitude for sure.

This will be an easy game.

[Chaqa]

Xorxes I think you're town. I also think you're not playing pro town, in that you're refusing to get verified. Creating this mistrust differential is not pro town. What more do you expect to get from reactions?

Five players have reacted in an anti-town way by voting for an uncced PR instead of someone likely to be scum.

Or we think that the person claiming a town PR and choosing to not use the GM reveal is a little suspicious. I see no good reason to not verify his claim if I am supposed to act as if it is 100% true.

Agreed. I can’t see any reason for xorxes to not verify himself. And if ANYONE else should turn out to be the Captain, I’m not voting for anyone except Xorxes.

[xorxes]

Because you have not claimed PR, only implied it, and now you're being cagey about it.

I believed you might actually be PR when there were enough slots available. Now it's overcrowded, and you have not even claimed PR.

Already in the sign-up thread I said I would not be part of any "mass-claim".

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Why are you surprised?

I'm not surprised. My belief that you might be PR just got way weaker.

[Chaqa]

I have no clue what that moron Chaqa is talking about. But, yeah vote xorxes he is high probable scum.

He can end this at any time by verifying. The fact that he hasn't yet means it is very likley he is not captain. If he was the captain he would have just had the GM to verify his role and then started the whole mass claim plan.

Why does every mention of me have to be “the moron Chaqa” or “the idiot Chaqa”?

Did I hurt your orange-faced pride?

[Chaqa]

See how Tom Bombadil said "Oh yes Xorxes is doing something really clever" by not confirming, but when pressed to explain what it was that was so brilliant, Tom wouldn't answer.

Agreed. I find Tom highly suspicious. This kind of holier-than-thou know it all players make me fucking hate this game sometiems.

[Chaqa]

I only have one reveal, I can't reveal as many times as I want to.

The reveal is irreversible, I can't not have the extra votes once I reveal.

So no, it's not analogous.

And in any case, no, I would not want to lynch a PR that is using their powers the wrong way.

And whether I reveal or not should have no bearing on whether you think massclaim is beneficial to town or not. Making your claim contingent on my reveal is ridiculous. In fact, if you are going to claim if I reveal, you should be even more eager to claim if I don't reveal, as it would expose me if I'm lying.

If you’re Reaver’d you would lose the votes, no?

##CallGM: a player converted to a Reaver loses all pre-existing abilities, correct?

Yes, but I would also lose the votes if I was roleblocked, apparently.

Haven’t seen this said, and this would not fit with how roleblock work historically.

##CallGM: can you confirm this is the case?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Chaqa: I checked and I quoted the rule. Roleblocks last into the following day phase. It's weird but it's the rule for this game.

[Tom Bombadil]

See how Tom Bombadil said "Oh yes Xorxes is doing something really clever" by not confirming, but when pressed to explain what it was that was so brilliant, Tom wouldn't answer.

Agreed. I find Tom highly suspicious. This kind of holier-than-thou know it all players make me fucking hate this game sometiems.

It’s not a holier than thou attitude. It’s more that pointing it out could impact what any remaining potential scum claim so I’d rather not.

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa: I checked and I quoted the rule. Roleblocks last into the following day phase. It's weird but it's the rule for this game.

Yes, but the extra votes do not seem like they would be an action that is roleblock able. Roleblocked typically only work on actions that require a decision to use.

I would guess the votes can’t be roleblocked, but his reveal can be.

[goldfinger0303]

Well, congratulations everyone, the scenario that seemed blaringly obvious happened. Now scum know who our PRs are, while we don't have a damn clue. Scum will now successfully hit PRs tonight while we are forced to potentially mislynch one of our own PRs. This is why the massclaim was stupid.

Oh yes doom and gloom is the right attitude for sure.

This will be an easy game.

It was more to the point that this has not turned out to be beneficial to town at all. The skeptics are right, and there should be even more scrutiny on xorxes now.

Of course we won't lynch among the claimed PRs, but we *know* there's what, at least two scum among the PR claims now? If not more?

That means instead of the promoted 50/50 odds, it is now a majority chance that we lunch a VT among the unclaimed or VT claimants.

And some among the unclaimed are just lurkers and haven't contributed, so how the hell is this different than lynching a lurker D1? Which I thought most people agreed gives the town NO information. So why are we doing that?

And there are people among the PR claims, like damo, who haven't contributed anything at all other than to say "I'm PR" and completely escape any scrutiny. Why are we letting that pass?

And bozo and Tom are buddying xorxes so hard it's making me nauseous.

[Jamiet99uk]

In spite of Xorxes hogging the limelight, I am going to do some iso reads.

Damo, Flavius, Rdrivera and Dargorygel are my first sift.

[xorxes]

REVEAL command is on the mail. The GMs don't seem to be online though, so y' all will need to be patient.

[xorxes]

I'm trying to decide whether we should lynch peterlund, ND or BunnyGo.

[xorxes]

In spite of Xorxes hogging the limelight, I am going to do some iso reads.

Damo, Flavius, Rdrivera and Dargorygel are my first sift.

dargo and rivera are by no means off the hook, but we're not lynching them today, so concentrating on damo and Flavius would be more useful. damo will take you 3.2 seconds

[Chaqa]

Well, congratulations everyone, the scenario that seemed blaringly obvious happened. Now scum know who our PRs are, while we don't have a damn clue. Scum will now successfully hit PRs tonight while we are forced to potentially mislynch one of our own PRs. This is why the massclaim was stupid.

Oh yes doom and gloom is the right attitude for sure.

This will be an easy game.

It was more to the point that this has not turned out to be beneficial to town at all. The skeptics are right, and there should be even more scrutiny on xorxes now.

Of course we won't lynch among the claimed PRs, but we *know* there's what, at least two scum among the PR claims now? If not more?

That means instead of the promoted 50/50 odds, it is now a majority chance that we lunch a VT among the unclaimed or VT claimants.

And some among the unclaimed are just lurkers and haven't contributed, so how the hell is this different than lynching a lurker D1? Which I thought most people agreed gives the town NO information. So why are we doing that?

And there are people among the PR claims, like damo, who haven't contributed anything at all other than to say "I'm PR" and completely escape any scrutiny. Why are we letting that pass?

And bozo and Tom are buddying xorxes so hard it's making me nauseous.

There’s so many reasons your concern is unwarranted but I’m on my phone for awhile yet... I’ll type up some stuff later. Maybe during the night phase.

This will be an easy town win.