MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[rdrivera2005]

@xorx my point is that peoplre aren't trying to votesheep the clear. They're trying to massclaim-sheep the clear, because it's a big deal.

Whatever. I am PR. Won't say which one unless I need to.

Aha, let's make a list to copy/paste

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Claimed PR
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xorx
teac


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Claimed VT
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chaq
emc

Are we doing a full massclaim or just PR/VT?

[dargorygel]

I'll be vanishing a lot for a few days. Already explained.

I am pr.

[rdrivera2005]

@Chaqa - right now, who are your top three scum targets. Gotta have that much if you want the Money Hall solution

If I had to pick three currently?

Vecna - guilty until proven innocent
Rivera - very offput by a few posts of his and general weirdness
Flavius - he's been much too quiet

Two quiet votes and rdrivera? That's a surprise. Given how active you've been, especially in pushing the massclaim, I thought you'd have a bit more insight.

When did Chaqa had insights?

[xorxes]

Are we doing a full massclaim or just PR/VT?

Just PR/VT for now seems best. If we get an excess of PRs we can specify, but by then scum will have committed. This way we get most of the benefits of a full claim and we diminish a lot of the drawbacks.

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Claimed PR
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xorx
teac
darg

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Claimed VT
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chaq
emc

[Tom Bombadil]

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Claimed PR
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xorx
teac
darg
Tom Bombadil

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Claimed VT
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chaq
emc

[xorxes]

If I had to pick three currently?

Vecna - guilty until proven innocent
Rivera - very offput by a few posts of his and general weirdness
Flavius - he's been much too quiet

Two quiet votes and rdrivera? That's a surprise. Given how active you've been, especially in pushing the massclaim, I thought you'd have a bit more insight.

When did Chaqa had insights?

Ay ay ay

[xorxes]

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Claimed PR
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xorx
teac
darg
Tom Bombadil

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Claimed VT
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chaq
emc

Jamiet? We have six!

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa - right now, who are your top three scum targets. Gotta have that much if you want the Money Hall solution

If I had to pick three currently?

Vecna - guilty until proven innocent
Rivera - very offput by a few posts of his and general weirdness
Flavius - he's been much too quiet

Two quiet votes and rdrivera? That's a surprise. Given how active you've been, especially in pushing the massclaim, I thought you'd have a bit more insight.

Everyone has seemed pretty good so far, really. I've never been one to have a super firm read on people early on, I prefer vote and wagon analysis later on when combined with mechanical info and scans and such.

[Chaqa]

If I had to pick three currently?

Vecna - guilty until proven innocent
Rivera - very offput by a few posts of his and general weirdness
Flavius - he's been much too quiet

Two quiet votes and rdrivera? That's a surprise. Given how active you've been, especially in pushing the massclaim, I thought you'd have a bit more insight.

When did Chaqa had insights?

Touche.

[ND]

“I'm sure any self-respecting player would already have worked out they need to post as normal as possible as they can.” (Chaqa, 13)

Eh. Not so sure about that. Why? That’s pretty scum indicative guidance really.

“I still haven't read the actual role PMs... one moment.” (Worcej 13)
Hahaha sure

“I got killed by scum for getting too close to them and you can't even stick around and get policy killed?” (Bunny, 13)

Oh that’s great another player like, the genius one Chaqa, who likes to live out their fantasies of repeating the past game.

“can you actually vote on content for once” (Flav, 14)
The appropriate, and polite way of asking would be -’@Jamie, dearest, can you please post on relevant content for once and oh please clean your room too; thank you!’

I agree with Darg post on page (Darg, 14) about massclaim. It is very silly idea.

Flav’s outburst here on Page 14 about policy lynching is so spot on. Policy lynching is absolutely nonsense. Anyone who advocates that seriously and repeatedly is detrimental.

Hmmmmmmm

“its nice to see people summarize stuff about the mechanics,” (Flav, 15)

Haard disagree there. 1) Yes it is useful to summarize your thoughts on mechanics -once- if that is the type of player you are. 2) No, it is not useful to repeatedly and only focus on mechanics. That is just a way experienced mafia players get away with saying alot but actually saying nothing.

“I would put forward that our captain come forth.” (Gold, 15)
Advocating the captain reveal less than 24 hours into D1. Really? That’s pretty nuts.

@Peter: “But noted now that Xorxs and Chaqa are pushing "mass-claim D1" hard. For what purpose??” As of Page 15, it doesn’t smell right to me netiher does Chaka’s jump on Gold after Gold’s half baked idea that the captain should reveal less than a day into D1. Geez

Xorxes continuing to push his equally half baked mass claim idea. I think it’s pretty silly to even be advocating this and claiming its town indicative this early in D1. Anyway, I had a bunch more typed out here but then saw his claim. Wow. If you are really the captain I think you are making a huge mistake. Going to keep reading it’s getting spicy (17)

[Chaqa]

@worcej - when you get on, you seemed supportive of the massclaim, so I'd hope to see you add yourself to the list.

@rivera - xorxes seems all but confirmed as the Captain, at this point only Vecna hasn't been around to dispute it. I think it's pretty safe for you to add yourself to the list now, isn't it?

@ND - what do you think about maskclaim?

[Chaqa]

“I'm sure any self-respecting player would already have worked out they need to post as normal as possible as they can.” (Chaqa, 13)

Eh. Not so sure about that. Why? That’s pretty scum indicative guidance really.

This is in reference to the Reaver Prime. Not sure who I would be giving guidance to.... myself? The Reaver has no teammates. Odd you missed the context there, if you're re-reading right now.

[ND]

“First off, trying to force everyone to massclaim before consensus is reached is bad form. I don't like it.” (gold, 18)

For real.

“ I’m always a VT, though. Seriously. Our of the 35ish games I’ve played. I think I’ve been aVt in like 30 or then or more” (Chaqa, 18)

Right. Noted for the future.

-Lot of pushback on Xorxes unilateral and thus so far as of Page 19 unverified claim by the GMS- Very silly to do this without a majority in support because it is absolutely unnecessary at this stage in the game.

Oh look a EMC policy lynch vote on Vecna lol I already commented on that though. Makes me want to vote for EMC. (20) Jamie retracts because EMC votes lol (21) These policy votes are so silly.

Darg’s idea is good if this hairbrain idea goes through. (21)

“As long as I'm not counterclaimed” (Xorxes, 22)

You know you could verify that you are the captain via GMs. At this point it just looks like you are trying to flush everyone out without verifying. Honestly, I don’t think anyone should claim anything until you do and even then only if their conscious allows for it. (22)

Note: Worcej joining a long line of others in policy voting. Sigh. (22) Oh good Jamie joined it on (23)

Jamie should take a chill pill. All that toxic language. Tisk. Tisk. (25)

“It's only ever worked to catch scum like once or twice.” (Chaqa, 26)

Maybe for you lol. Works every time for me. Silly little genius boy.

Oh good Teacon also did a policy vote (26)

Literally what is up with all these policy votes. So silly. Play the game. They will either be modkilled for failing to vote or replaced. Voting someone not playing the game is just again a scum indicator it shows you produce no content and your vote is basically a glorified show vote for your own scummy alignment.

“Anyone know what this is referring to? am a bit confused”
(EMC, 26)
It’s referring to you.

[ND]

Okay now that I am caught up. UGH

I got a whole bunch to say. Let me crack some eggs over your, literal, numb, skulls.

[teacon7]

lol ND is gonna have fun with the next few pages.

“Why is there hate for spreadsheets?” (Teacon, 10)

Because it is a way for scum players to hide behind the guise of doing something useful like all the mechanic doggys.

Agree. But it's only dangerous if we townread people for having spreadsheets. What I like about spreadsheets is stealing their data entry to fuel my own ideas. It's not inherently scummy to have so algorithmic a methodology, it's just got some pitfalls if used lazily.

“Hey teacon! From what I've heard in the sign up thread you were a legend who took a long hiatus, welcome back!” (Temasek22, 10)

Buddy alert

Heh. good call, thanks. Also emc's greeting to me could sound that way. But EMC did that last game. And in a game where he was scum...? so: HMMM

[teacon7]

@tom bombadil
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Please support/qualify/refute the following statements:
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2) Jamie isn't hunting for scum.

2) Jamie rarely hunts for scum. He hunts for contradictions or things that make him mad. Do you think what he is doing this game is scum motivated?

I'm gonna guess you two (tom + jamiet) are the same alignment. Not sure yet what alignment that is.

I'm not sure what I think of jamiet. I guess I'm expecting something else from town!jamiet, but I'm not sure what yet.

3) bozo's play to this point is against the rules, as he's not speaking in english.

3) chill

Hey I'm not mad. Let me rephrase: what do you think of bozo right now? He's a good enough player that we'd all benefit from him doing ... more.

[teacon7]

I'll be vanishing a lot for a few days. Already explained.

And we wish you (and your family) well. thanks for checking in when you can. :)

[teacon7]

@BunnyGo - I don't know you. How much have you played before?

[ND]

##VOTE XORXES

XORXES IS CLAIMING TO BE THE CAPTAIN LITERALLY THE ONLY ROLE IN THIS GAME THAT CAN BE VERIFIED BY THE GM’S.

I don’t understand why anyone would claim their roles in a mass claim in a situation where the guy pushing for it and who has ‘claimed’ won’t use his power to verify his role. Why? Why would you follow this?

Ask yourself, why won’t he verify if he is pushing a mass claim and is the captain role? It’s either because he CAN’T or ??? fill in the blank because I don’t see why the Captain claiming his role doesn’t just verify it. That is so fishy.

If he is mafia then guess what he just flushed out PRs and is getting away with it. If he is mafia he just made a huge play and won big. Think about that for a second.

If he is the Captain, then verify the role @Xorxes and I’ll claim mine and retract the vote obviously, but the way I see it you just pulled a huge fast one and got away with it clean.

I can’t believe anyone in their right mind would follow that.

PLEASE DO NOT CLAIM UNTIL HE VERIFIES. VOTE XORXES UNTIL HE VERIFIES HIS ROLE.

[Chaqa]

“It's only ever worked to catch scum like once or twice.” (Chaqa, 26)

Maybe for you lol. Works every time for me. Silly little genius boy.

Your entire track record last game says otherwise.