MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

Jesus shitting Christ.

I have a law degree, but do I constantly pepper my posts with snatches of courtroom latin?

No, I don't. Because even though I can be a prick sometimes, I'm not that much of a prick.

I've done this in most of my games here, but this is the first time anyone mentioned not being able to understand, so I assumed y'all got the gist of it :)

No, it's just that in the previous games I've been so focussed on hating on you for not voting, that I haven't examined your posts in all that much detail.

[e.m.c^42]

Jesus shitting Christ.

I have a law degree, but do I constantly pepper my posts with snatches of courtroom latin?

No, I don't. Because even though I can be a prick sometimes, I'm not that much of a prick.

I've done this in most of my games here, but this is the first time anyone mentioned not being able to understand, so I assumed y'all got the gist of it :)

No, it's just that in the previous games I've been so focussed on hating on you for not voting, that I haven't examined your posts in all that much detail.

Good points. ##vote Jamie

[teacon7]

I have a law degree, but do I constantly pepper my posts with snatches of courtroom latin?

I'd actually like to see this.

[goldfinger0303]

@Chaqa - right now, who are your top three scum targets. Gotta have that much if you want the Money Hall solution

[xorxes]

Jesus shitting Christ.

I have a law degree, but do I constantly pepper my posts with snatches of courtroom latin?

No, I don't. Because even though I can be a prick sometimes, I'm not that much of a prick.

I've done this in most of my games here, but this is the first time anyone mentioned not being able to understand, so I assumed y'all got the gist of it :)

You're not the only one. I do it often and I copied it from someone else, it wasn't that hard to figure out. Not sure what Jamiet's game is here.

[teacon7]

Well, my not understanding mathematics notwithstanding, I still really like the maskclaim idea. Let's roll with it.

@xorx - please please please reveal ASAP. If you delay it it just causes confusion and will 100% have some players being obstinate out of spite. We have three claims now (you, me, EMC). Rivera says he'll claim if you reveal. That's four. Jamiet will be seventh, so if we get two more, we're like halfway there.

rivera and Jamiet are being scummy if they're waiting for a reveal that they cannot doubt will be forthcoming. I'm getting more results from not proving my claim yet. Massclaim is about claims, not about GM reveals and sheeping the clear.

I don't see their delayed claim as scummy. They're not waiting to sheep a clear when it comes to votes. They don't want to claim a specific PR until it's officially a mass-claim. imo that's not inherently scummy, that's playing cautious.

A solution to the clear-sheeping - when the time comes to vote, just don't vote until everyone else has. You'll get to watch things unfold organically anyway, and then add your own to the mix afterwards.

[e.m.c^42]

The past few times Jamie made a fuss over wording issues and mechs and naught else he was scum, so I'm going to extent that for now and give him a slight scumread

[e.m.c^42]

It's so disturbing, I actually am starting to build a voting record

[xorxes]

I don't see their delayed claim as scummy. They're not waiting to sheep a clear when it comes to votes. They don't want to claim a specific PR until it's officially a mass-claim. imo that's not inherently scummy, that's playing cautious.

We're not asking for specific PR claims now. Just PR/VT.

A solution to the clear-sheeping - when the time comes to vote, just don't vote until everyone else has. You'll get to watch things unfold organically anyway, and then add your own to the mix afterwards.

Not sure if I will be here at EOD. In any case, that is not my only concern. People should not be basing their decision on my reveal.

[peterlund]

For a bit further explanation on my Monty Hall thing, see here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem

In our terms, from an objective observer's view, there is a 5/20 chance that any player is scum. If an all-knowing GM were to reveal that 10 players were not scum, the immediate thought is that any remaining player is now at a 50/50 chance to be scum, but in the broader sense, it's really a 75% in our case, as the "masked" PRs have not actually been revealed.

But by "opening" those doors with Dargo's masked claim idea, we have a VERY good chance to hit scum.

I may be slightly misapplying the Monty Hall problem here, but it makes sense to me.

This seems like scum trying to confuse town. It is not a Monty Hall problem at all with one of 3 doors being reveals not having the prize behind it.

If all 10 town PRs claim truthfully, and everone else claim VT, we have 3 scum, 1 PR and one BH in the group of 10 VT claimants. The vig has then a 50% chance of hitting scum/RP/BH no more no less.

But the probability that "all 10 town claim truthfully without any CC" is very low imho.

It seems like Chaqa is just doing his best to confuse town. Scummy as hell i m o.

[Chaqa]

Well, my not understanding mathematics notwithstanding, I still really like the maskclaim idea. Let's roll with it.

@xorx - please please please reveal ASAP. If you delay it it just causes confusion and will 100% have some players being obstinate out of spite. We have three claims now (you, me, EMC). Rivera says he'll claim if you reveal. That's four. Jamiet will be seventh, so if we get two more, we're like halfway there.

rivera and Jamiet are being scummy if they're waiting for a reveal that they cannot doubt will be forthcoming. I'm getting more results from not proving my claim yet. Massclaim is about claims, not about GM reveals and sheeping the clear.

I fucking hate the "reaction test and gather information" line of play. It's only ever worked to catch scum like once or twice. It usually just causes confusion. Just reveal already

[e.m.c^42]

Well, my not understanding mathematics notwithstanding, I still really like the maskclaim idea. Let's roll with it.

@xorx - please please please reveal ASAP. If you delay it it just causes confusion and will 100% have some players being obstinate out of spite. We have three claims now (you, me, EMC). Rivera says he'll claim if you reveal. That's four. Jamiet will be seventh, so if we get two more, we're like halfway there.

rivera and Jamiet are being scummy if they're waiting for a reveal that they cannot doubt will be forthcoming. I'm getting more results from not proving my claim yet. Massclaim is about claims, not about GM reveals and sheeping the clear.

I fucking hate the "reaction test and gather information" line of play. It's only ever worked to catch scum like once or twice. It usually just causes confusion. Just reveal already :eyeroll:

I mean, people's opinions on the pros/cons of a massclaim shouldn't change much based on who is pushing it? since it's a mechs and opinion thing

[Chaqa]

Jesus shitting Christ.

I have a law degree, but do I constantly pepper my posts with snatches of courtroom latin?

No, I don't. Because even though I can be a prick sometimes, I'm not that much of a prick.

I've done this in most of my games here, but this is the first time anyone mentioned not being able to understand, so I assumed y'all got the gist of it :)

No, it's just that in the previous games I've been so focussed on hating on you for not voting, that I haven't examined your posts in all that much detail.

I hate when mom and dad fight...

[teacon7]

@xorx my point is that peoplre aren't trying to votesheep the clear. They're trying to massclaim-sheep the clear, because it's a big deal.

Whatever. I am PR. Won't say which one unless I need to.

[e.m.c^42]

I've done this in most of my games here, but this is the first time anyone mentioned not being able to understand, so I assumed y'all got the gist of it :)

No, it's just that in the previous games I've been so focussed on hating on you for not voting, that I haven't examined your posts in all that much detail.

I hate when mom and dad fight...

...this has strange implications

[teacon7]

I mean, people's opinions on the pros/cons of a massclaim shouldn't change much based on who is pushing it? since it's a mechs and opinion thing

Well... sort of. If we all had perfect knowledge of the game and mechanics, then... yes. But my guess is that there are enough rules/mechanics that when someone is uncertain, it's still helpful to be able to consider the source. Especially if some pro thought of some crazy mechanical advantage and then is using it for nefarious purposes.

[teacon7]

@bozo - it's time to come play.

##vote bozo

until he shows up and explains the lojban. in english.

[e.m.c^42]

Seems like you were softing that on vekna for awhile since I noted it last night. Doesn't show thought process. (Catching up in reverse)

Anyone know what this is referring to? am a bit confused

[teacon7]

@tom bombadil
@vecna

I didn't even realize you were playing until I checked the bot. Yep, you're on the list. Your assignment, due at least 12 hours before EoD, is this:

Please support/qualify/refute the following statements:
1) Town PR should massclaim right now.


2) Jamie isn't hunting for scum.


3) bozo's play to this point is against the rules, as he's not speaking in english.

[xorxes]

@xorx my point is that peoplre aren't trying to votesheep the clear. They're trying to massclaim-sheep the clear, because it's a big deal.

Whatever. I am PR. Won't say which one unless I need to.

Thank you. I tend to believe you actually.