MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

I am flabbergasted! I would never be toxic and vile! The mere thought of that offends my delicate feelings.

I wonder if RP is required to be the most friendly and polite person as their posing requirements...

I came to this same conclusion... especially out of character for ND, though he may be "role-playing" a character from the show as he did with Sherlock last game. Never watched Firefly, so I don't know.

[teacon7]

This is a good question. @xorxes, why did you ask it now, and not in the signup thread?

I wasn't paying a lot of attention to the signup thread.
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Yeah, but you were paying enough attention to agree that Kit said the setup was mass-claim proof. You said so yourself:

Fair enough, but didn't Kit said the setup is quite anti-massclaim?

She did say that. I'm hoping someone will explain why that is the case, because I don't really see it. Do you?

So why not ask there?

[teacon7]

ugh the quotes got messed up in my last. sorry for that. lmk if it doesn't make sense to anyone and I'll repost it.

[Chaqa]

I am flabbergasted! I would never be toxic and vile! The mere thought of that offends my delicate feelings.

I wonder if RP is required to be the most friendly and polite person as their posing requirements...

That would be wayyy too broad I guess. I think realistically the requirement would probs be usage of certain words or post counts or something like that.

My quicklist for things it could be:
- No swearing
- Punctuation rules
- Misspellings
- # of words
- No contractions

etc.

[teacon7]

Hey teacon! From what I've heard in the sign up thread you were a legend who took a long hiatus, welcome back!

Thanks temasek. I'm not sure I deserve legendary status, but I'm glad to be back playing.

Have you played this game much? Online/offline? What's your experience so far?

[teacon7]

I'm not sure yet, but this does give me an idea of how we can flush out the Reaver. We could come up with a series of five posts that everyone has to copy-paste, and use them to see who gives pushback to the idea because perhaps we can make posts that would break their posting rules.

Alternatively, we can look for oddities in posting compared to people's usual posting methods.

This is a good idea and worth trying, even if imo it has a low % chance of working. i.e.: If the requirement is the *presence* of something rather than its absence, copypasta verification is just going to give them an easy way to hide. If the req is something else, something obnoxious like "don't post firefly quotes", then it won't matter.

[rdrivera2005]

##VOTE EMC until he casts a f*cking vote.

You beat me on this.

Yet you didn't vote?

Why people expect I vote emc? Jamiet already voted as a pressure on him to vote early (and avoid being modkilled at least). It was page 1 and I don't have any idea about emc alignment yet, why turn him a real wagon?

##vote Worcej for now.

[Chaqa]

I'm going to program the first Mafia Bot for this site someday. Maybe PeterL can help me. I wont confirm or deny that I have a new sheet because I was threatened if I brought it up... so I won't bring up (or share) my spreadsheet 4.0 (if it existed, which I'm not confirming).

I'll look at a spreadsheet. I like seeing how algs parse things.

I won't townread you for having one, but neither will I scumread you.

Why is there hate for spreadsheets?

Don't feed the spreadsheet troll!

[worcej]

that would be funny, but too hard to referee.

Agreed, so taking the joke down: why is ND being so not himself?

Playing a role, at least for D1, is being himself. NAI.

Hmmm... I don't inherently think he plays a role, but I get what you mean by that.

[rdrivera2005]

You beat me on this.

And yet you are not voting for emc?

O.o

I had the same thought and comment as xorxes. Maybe I am not as trash as I thought...

You are saying you didn't see Xorxes post before making that comment?

[worcej]

Oh, and the bot maker peter himself too! What a time to be a newbie!

FWIW, I don't know if you can be considered a noob anymore.

[worcej]

And yet you are not voting for emc?

O.o

I had the same thought and comment as xorxes. Maybe I am not as trash as I thought...

You are saying you didn't see Xorxes post before making that comment?

I respond like Vecna does - starting from where I missed comments and then move forward, unless I see a post like this after posting.

[worcej]

Who would you recruit if you were?

I like this line of thoughts.

If I was RP, I would recruit damo.

Scum-role mechanic smokescreen stuff doesn't make any sense and is not indicative of anything. Wasteful line of reasoning.

Why shit on the idea of discussing it? You learn a lot from seeing people's opinions on things...

[Chaqa]

No need for all that naughty language!! And also policy votes are pretty weak because it like mechanic hounds gives scum to cover their motivations. Thanks for acting all gruff and talking about all your policy vote intentions though but please for the children let's tone back the profanity.

@ND are you working in childcare now? Why take issue with his language?

This is completely out of his usual and last-game manner, though he has been doing Day 1 roleplays.

[rdrivera2005]

Xorxes, Chaqa:

Since you are pushing the massclaim idea... We have 3 VTs, but 5 town think they are VT. Let's say the Mafia all claim VT too, to avoid CC's, then what's your prognosis? Up to 5 mislynches followed by a flawless town win?

We have a vigilante as well, and a cop. We would be able to give directions (cop scan X, vote Y, if Y flips town, vote Z, etc.)

I could put some more thorough thought into it if I thought it was actually a viable plan, but we would not likely get full commit from everyone.

In case we go with it, anyone who doesn't claim is by default claimimg VT. If they are town PR and they get vigshot/lynched then they are not playing to win.

My biggest concern with the massclaim is the Reaver. He would know exactly which roles to choose to improve his chances. I can see some choices that will make really hard for town to find the recruited ones as we will be busy for a long time targeting VT claimants.

[Chaqa]

I like this line of thoughts.

If I was RP, I would recruit damo.

Scum-role mechanic smokescreen stuff doesn't make any sense and is not indicative of anything. Wasteful line of reasoning.

Why shit on the idea of discussing it? You learn a lot from seeing people's opinions on things...

Any scum worth their salt would just give a bland answer or someone they wouldn't recruit in a heartbeat. If you want me to indulge you, I would probably recruit Temasek. He has a habit of surviving to the late game.

[worcej]

OK.

This is where I started: most PRs can verify themselves, so counterclaims are unlikely, and recruiting them is also risky because they have to be recruited at some point when they can no longer verify themselves.

The worst case scenario after a massclaim would be reaching D5 (after shooting/mislynching 5 VTs, two PRs converted and 6 PRs NKd: 2-3-3-1

That would be the absolute worst case when we were completely incapable of finding a single scum to lynch. At that point Mafia have to kill each other if they don't want to lose.

Of course we may have all lost at this point if the neutral has already won, but that can happen with or without a massclaim, it's basically random depending on who their targets are and there's very little we can do about it other than finding the neutral soon. And with a massclaim the chances of finding the neutral increase.

I agree with this analysis but struggle with the 2nd mafia team’s recruitment. If we claim, it needs to probably be on D2 after this first recruitment to ensure the town clears are always clears.

The Reavers are indeed a bit of a detriment to the entire mass-claim idea, but wouldn't it be better to make the claims before Reaver-ing, so that we:
1. have a chance for a vigilante to kill Reaver-Prime
2. have a chance for a doc save or commute save of some sort
3. have a chance for teams 1 & 2 to hit the same target

I'd say all are unlikely, but recent games have shown how it's really a crapshoot and lots of random stuff can happen.

I agree with all of what you listed - these are indeed pro's for us, but there is downside in a massclaim because it does help RP and BH.

[worcej]

I'm going to Flavius this game. Pre-read thoughts:

If EMC doesn't vote within the first 24 hours, I'm policy lynching his ass.

If Kalel mentions his spreadsheet, I'm policy lynching his ass.

If Vecna and/or xorxes survive past day 4, lynch their asses.





Xorxes is Reaver Prime or on Mafia team 1. EZ game.

##Vote xorxes

What do you think is xorxes posting restrictions that he has to be following right now?

I'm not sure yet, but this does give me an idea of how we can flush out the Reaver. We could come up with a series of five posts that everyone has to copy-paste, and use them to see who gives pushback to the idea because perhaps we can make posts that would break their posting rules.

Alternatively, we can look for oddities in posting compared to people's usual posting methods.

Makes it less effective when you outright say to do it...

[worcej]

This is town EMC.

I voiced my opinion already (NAI for him), but I am curious why you are towning him for it. Do tell!

Eh, just gut feeling. EMC and I are pretty close - I haven't been wrong in a read on him in any game we've played yet.

There can always be a first time, but thanks for entertaining me with a response.

[Chaqa]

I agree with this analysis but struggle with the 2nd mafia team’s recruitment. If we claim, it needs to probably be on D2 after this first recruitment to ensure the town clears are always clears.

The Reavers are indeed a bit of a detriment to the entire mass-claim idea, but wouldn't it be better to make the claims before Reaver-ing, so that we:
1. have a chance for a vigilante to kill Reaver-Prime
2. have a chance for a doc save or commute save of some sort
3. have a chance for teams 1 & 2 to hit the same target

I'd say all are unlikely, but recent games have shown how it's really a crapshoot and lots of random stuff can happen.

I agree with all of what you listed - these are indeed pro's for us, but there is downside in a massclaim because it does help RP and BH.

How does it help the BH?