MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[xorxes]

A massclaim an hour into d1 is a pretty silly idea or scum motivated. One of the biggest issues last game were mechanic hounds who got away with saying alot of nothing under the cloak of saying alot. So, in my deep, ooh so deep, soul searching I've taken note of those types and personally am going to be looking at them very hard.

False. If we had massclaimed last game when I proposed it, Kitsune would not have been lynched, and town would have likley won. I let myself be convinced of waiting by none other than scum!bozo. And you know what happened next.

[ND]

I will seriously have to theorycraft the game mentally to give you a reason why not to do this.

[ND]

If I'm wrong so be it, but I need to think about it.

[worcej]

##VOTE EMC until he casts a f*cking vote.

You beat me on this.

And yet you are not voting for emc?

O.o

I had the same thought and comment as xorxes. Maybe I am not as trash as I thought...

[Chaqa]

A massclaim an hour into d1 is a pretty silly idea or scum motivated. One of the biggest issues last game were mechanic hounds who got away with saying alot of nothing under the cloak of saying alot. So, in my deep, ooh so deep, soul searching I've taken note of those types and personally am going to be looking at them very hard.

They got away with nothing largely because you ignored them. Why are you so concderned with them NOW, this game?

[worcej]

Hello all!! Please have a merry game and happy new year!!!

Christmas is over. No more merriment.

[Chaqa]

@Xorxes now is probably not the best time for a mass claim LOL. That's cute though.

D1 is usually the best time for this because it forces scum to decide what to do before they have a chance to consult with their teammates. It also lets the Vig take a safe shot day one (they target one who claimed VT, no chance of hitting a PR) and if lucky, they can take a second shot N1. And if lucky again, a third shot D2, and so on. With a reduced pool where to shoot, basically a 50% chance, and probably better if some of the VTs are obvtown, it's much more likely that they will hit scum and get more shots. The cop can also target someone useful D1 instead of a random target that may end up being a wasted scan. There's lots of good reasons to massclaim.

I want to hear any good reasons not to massclaim. "Breaks the spirit of the game" is not a good reason. One of the main rules of the game is not to play against your win condition, and not doing everything you can to win goes against your win condition.

I find myself having to agree with xorxes' analysis here.

[xorxes]

Xorxes, Chaqa:

Since you are pushing the massclaim idea... We have 3 VTs, but 5 town think they are VT. Let's say the Mafia all claim VT too, to avoid CC's, then what's your prognosis? Up to 5 mislynches followed by a flawless town win?

We have a vigilante as well, and a cop. We would be able to give directions (cop scan X, vote Y, if Y flips town, vote Z, etc.)

I could put some more thorough thought into it if I thought it was actually a viable plan, but we would not likely get full commit from everyone.

In case we go with it, anyone who doesn't claim is by default claimimg VT. If they are town PR and they get vigshot/lynched then they are not playing to win.

[worcej]

I know that I claimed I'd try to play differently this game but it seems like too much effort already.

So you’re going to low key lurk and accidentally get yourself mod-killed at a critical moment in the game?

Cool story bro.

[Jamiet99uk]

Xorxes, Chaqa:

Since you are pushing the massclaim idea... We have 3 VTs, but 5 town think they are VT. Let's say the Mafia all claim VT too, to avoid CC's, then what's your prognosis? Up to 5 mislynches followed by a flawless town win?

We have a vigilante as well, and a cop. We would be able to give directions (cop scan X, vote Y, if Y flips town, vote Z, etc.)

I could put some more thorough thought into it if I thought it was actually a viable plan, but we would not likely get full commit from everyone.

In case we go with it, anyone who doesn't claim is by default claimimg VT. If they are town PR and they get vigshot/lynched then they are not playing to win.

And how will you decide whether to "go with it", or not?

[Temasek22]

Dear Reaver: please do not recruit me. Mafia will kill me early, and even if I was mafia, I would be lynched early, I never make it very far into the game. So if you recruit me it's bad for me and bad for you. Lose-lose. Don't do it. Thank you.

Why would you tell the reaver that? Their win condition is against town's and this doesn't feel like a joke phase post.

[worcej]

Hey, we made it to page 2.

Is joke phase a real thing? Or is that just an excuse players use to say stupid stuff?

Depends, are you a comedian?

[Jamiet99uk]

BTW I really don't like Chaqa's take on Xorxes' call for a massclaim.

He's like "Hey I think massclaiming is a good idea BUT ehh it's against the spirit of the game BUT I agree with Xorxes' analysis BUT I bet it'll never work".

So super, super hedgy.

[Temasek22]

Hey, we made it to page 2.

Is joke phase a real thing? Or is that just an excuse players use to say stupid stuff?

Joke phase is the only phase, hell yeah

people just pretend to be more serious later, pshh

You makee sad I accidentally slept in today

[Temasek22]

Hey, we made it to page 2.

Is joke phase a real thing? Or is that just an excuse players use to say stupid stuff?

Joke phase is the only phase, hell yeah

people just pretend to be more serious later, pshh

You makee sad I accidentally slept in today

*make me

[worcej]

I wonder which role Vecna will claim today.

Caesar lives on!

[Temasek22]

Who would you recruit if you were?

You know me well enough that I'm near guaranteed to want to go for Vecna at some point lol

but not going to give rPrime any ideas, for all we know they're new or out-of-date, and clueless towards good recruits ;p

You know better than this, xorx

I low key think he's rprime after the first two pages fwiw

[xorxes]

We have a vigilante as well, and a cop. We would be able to give directions (cop scan X, vote Y, if Y flips town, vote Z, etc.)

I could put some more thorough thought into it if I thought it was actually a viable plan, but we would not likely get full commit from everyone.

In case we go with it, anyone who doesn't claim is by default claimimg VT. If they are town PR and they get vigshot/lynched then they are not playing to win.

And how will you decide whether to "go with it", or not?

If I decide to go with it, I will start by claiming my role, of course.

[Temasek22]

What's up with you and vekna?

It's beneficial to build up a meta/reputation of "Vecna-fanboy", heh

But sue me, I like his type of play

I was Vecna fan boy in my first game here, got me town read for two days as scum

[Temasek22]

So, does anyone have a good argument why we should not massclaim?

"I opposse massclaims on principle" is not a good argument.

There are obviously some drawbacks, but with so few VTs in play a massclaim should always be a consideration.

Fair enough, but didn't Kit said the setup is quite anti-massclaim?