MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

People who want to fill the thread with long-winded mechanics-based discussions to no immediate purpose are often scum, or Bozo.

Hard disagree.

[ND]

(you're safe ND, dw I'll cover!!!! for!! you!!!)

Thanks boo

[Chaqa]

Xorxes, I'll tell you what.

If you want a massclaim, you can say so, and you can explain why you want a massclaim. Then, when you do that, I'll tell you if I agree - and if I don't agree, I'll explain clearly why.

OK.

This is where I started: most PRs can verify themselves, so counterclaims are unlikely, and recruiting them is also risky because they have to be recruited at some point when they can no longer verify themselves.

The worst case scenario after a massclaim would be reaching D5 (after shooting/mislynching 5 VTs, two PRs converted and 6 PRs NKd: 2-3-3-1

That would be the absolute worst case when we were completely incapable of finding a single scum to lynch. At that point Mafia have to kill each other if they don't want to lose.

Of course we may have all lost at this point if the neutral has already won, but that can happen with or without a massclaim, it's basically random depending on who their targets are and there's very little we can do about it other than finding the neutral soon. And with a massclaim the chances of finding the neutral increase.

I very much agree with xorxes analysis on the mass claim. We can't really worry about the neutral - we have no discernible way to parse who his targets are. We have a very solid amount of confirmable PRs that we can work out an optimal massclaim if we want to go that route.

That said, we know from pre-game that a few players such as worcej were firmly against it.

[ND]

I'm going to Flavius this game. Pre-read thoughts:

If EMC doesn't vote within the first 24 hours, I'm policy lynching his ass.

If Kalel mentions his spreadsheet, I'm policy lynching his ass.

If Vecna and/or xorxes survive past day 4, lynch their asses.

##CALL GM: What happens if Mafia1 and the Reaver target the same player N1? Does the player become a Reaver? Do they die?

Dear Reaver: please do not recruit me. Mafia will kill me early, and even if I was mafia, I would be lynched early, I never make it very far into the game. So if you recruit me it's bad for me and bad for you. Lose-lose. Don't do it. Thank you.

Xorxes is Reaver Prime or on Mafia team 1. EZ game.

##Vote xorxes

No need for all that naughty language!! And also policy votes are pretty weak because it like mechanic hounds gives scum to cover their motivations. Thanks for acting all gruff and talking about all your policy vote intentions though but please for the children let's tone back the profanity.

[Chaqa]

Greetings everyone, glad to be back in this madness. The flavor of this bout is pretty cool. Never did watch the show, sadly, so some of this is lost on me. I am a big history buff on the space race and such, so I'm surprised I never watched it. Must've just split my time between to many others back in the day.

I'm also happy to see peterlund's site has gotten so much more detailed! Wow, I remember making my own vote trackers back in previous rounds and they were such a pain. I guess there's no need for that now?


Also,
##VOTE DARG
Let the man go see his grandkids.

Hot take - goldie is scum.

[ND]

Greetings everyone, glad to be back in this madness. The flavor of this bout is pretty cool. Never did watch the show, sadly, so some of this is lost on me. I am a big history buff on the space race and such, so I'm surprised I never watched it. Must've just split my time between to many others back in the day.

I'm also happy to see peterlund's site has gotten so much more detailed! Wow, I remember making my own vote trackers back in previous rounds and they were such a pain. I guess there's no need for that now?


Also,
##VOTE DARG
Let the man go see his grandkids.

Oh goodies a prepackaged and obvious prewritten post!! That's so lovely!!!!! Glad to have you back in this most welcoming community!!!

[Chaqa]

I'm going to Flavius this game. Pre-read thoughts:

If EMC doesn't vote within the first 24 hours, I'm policy lynching his ass.

If Kalel mentions his spreadsheet, I'm policy lynching his ass.

If Vecna and/or xorxes survive past day 4, lynch their asses.

##CALL GM: What happens if Mafia1 and the Reaver target the same player N1? Does the player become a Reaver? Do they die?

Dear Reaver: please do not recruit me. Mafia will kill me early, and even if I was mafia, I would be lynched early, I never make it very far into the game. So if you recruit me it's bad for me and bad for you. Lose-lose. Don't do it. Thank you.

Xorxes is Reaver Prime or on Mafia team 1. EZ game.

##Vote xorxes

No need for all that naughty language!! And also policy votes are pretty weak because it like mechanic hounds gives scum to cover their motivations. Thanks for acting all gruff and talking about all your policy vote intentions though but please for the children let's tone back the profanity.

lol fuck no

[ND]

Chaqa is so judgemental omg

[Chaqa]

Chaqa is so judgemental omg

Can we have toxic and vile ND back? Somehow that was more bearable than faux-concerned ND.

[Jamiet99uk]

So Xorxes wants a massclaim and this makes Chaqa hard. Noted.

[ND]

I am flabbergasted! I would never be toxic and vile! The mere thought of that offends my delicate feelings.

[KalelChase]

Greetings everyone, glad to be back in this madness. The flavor of this bout is pretty cool. Never did watch the show, sadly, so some of this is lost on me. I am a big history buff on the space race and such, so I'm surprised I never watched it. Must've just split my time between to many others back in the day.

I'm also happy to see peterlund's site has gotten so much more detailed! Wow, I remember making my own vote trackers back in previous rounds and they were such a pain. I guess there's no need for that now?


Also,
##VOTE DARG
Let the man go see his grandkids.

Gold... is your justification for this purely altruistic? A random shot is not great odds. Thanks for confirming.

[KalelChase]

Oh bless, our darlin' spreadsheet stats. If you actually make one share it lol, google sheets is good enough

I'm going to program the first Mafia Bot for this site someday. Maybe PeterL can help me. I wont confirm or deny that I have a new sheet because I was threatened if I brought it up... so I won't bring up (or share) my spreadsheet 4.0 (if it existed, which I'm not confirming).

##Vote Kalel

e.m.c. brought it up... I didn't, and I didn't confirm anything. Those words will not be typed by me.

[Jamiet99uk]

Xorxes, Chaqa:

Since you are pushing the massclaim idea... We have 3 VTs, but 5 town think they are VT. Let's say the Mafia all claim VT too, to avoid CC's, then what's your prognosis? Up to 5 mislynches followed by a flawless town win?

[Chaqa]

So Xorxes wants a massclaim and this makes Chaqa hard. Noted.

Eh, it's like a semi. I think it's logically sound but not in the spirit of the game.

[Chaqa]

I am flabbergasted! I would never be toxic and vile! The mere thought of that offends my delicate feelings.

[ND]

A massclaim an hour into d1 is a pretty silly idea or scum motivated. One of the biggest issues last game were mechanic hounds who got away with saying alot of nothing under the cloak of saying alot. So, in my deep, ooh so deep, soul searching I've taken note of those types and personally am going to be looking at them very hard.

[xorxes]

@Xorxes now is probably not the best time for a mass claim LOL. That's cute though.

D1 is usually the best time for this because it forces scum to decide what to do before they have a chance to consult with their teammates. It also lets the Vig take a safe shot day one (they target one who claimed VT, no chance of hitting a PR) and if lucky, they can take a second shot N1. And if lucky again, a third shot D2, and so on. With a reduced pool where to shoot, basically a 50% chance, and probably better if some of the VTs are obvtown, it's much more likely that they will hit scum and get more shots. The cop can also target someone useful D1 instead of a random target that may end up being a wasted scan. There's lots of good reasons to massclaim.

I want to hear any good reasons not to massclaim. "Breaks the spirit of the game" is not a good reason. One of the main rules of the game is not to play against your win condition, and not doing everything you can to win goes against your win condition.

[Chaqa]

Xorxes, Chaqa:

Since you are pushing the massclaim idea... We have 3 VTs, but 5 town think they are VT. Let's say the Mafia all claim VT too, to avoid CC's, then what's your prognosis? Up to 5 mislynches followed by a flawless town win?

We have a vigilante as well, and a cop. We would be able to give directions (cop scan X, vote Y, if Y flips town, vote Z, etc.)

I could put some more thorough thought into it if I thought it was actually a viable plan, but we would not likely get full commit from everyone.

[xorxes]

Xorxes, Chaqa:

Since you are pushing the massclaim idea... We have 3 VTs, but 5 town think they are VT. Let's say the Mafia all claim VT too, to avoid CC's, then what's your prognosis? Up to 5 mislynches followed by a flawless town win?

Cop can scan one of the 10 VT claims. Vig can shoot another one, and can keep shooting if they hit scum.