Mafia XXXV - The WebDip Class Reunion

[bozotheclown]

@thamrick: Foxcastle is a good scum candidate because it makes sense that the role blocker is DD, but because Foxcastle does not have a vote, it makes him the best lynch among all scum candidates because if he flips town it does not cost us a mislynch.

[Durga]

@thamrick: Foxcastle is a good scum candidate because it makes sense that the role blocker is DD, but because Foxcastle does not have a vote, it makes him the best lynch among all scum candidates because if he flips town it does not cost us a mislynch.

what are you talking about, it's still a mislynch if he's town

[bozotheclown]

@Durga: Since Foxcastle's vote does not count, if he is town, we only have 7 town votes left for the purposes of determining our win condition. If we lynch a town Foxcastle, we still have 7 town votes left. As a result, lynching a town Foxcastle is equivalent to a no lynch instead of a mislynch when determining our win condition. Right now we only have one mislynch left, and if we lynch a town Foxcastle, we still have one mislynch left, so that is why I say we have nothing to lose by lynching him. If we lynch any other town, we use our only mislynch.

[bozotheclown]

Besides the fact that Foxcastle being the role blocker explains why the mafia did not role block yavuzovic N1 after he hinted he was the cop, or role block yavuzovic N2 instead of NKing him, Foxcastle reluctance to reveal he was DD is suspicious. For these reasons, Foxcastle is a good scum candidate, and lynching him answers some important questions, in addition to the fact that lynching him does not bring us any closer to lylo.

[Durga]

@Durga: Since Foxcastle's vote does not count, if he is town, we only have 7 town votes left for the purposes of determining our win condition. If we lynch a town Foxcastle, we still have 7 town votes left. As a result, lynching a town Foxcastle is equivalent to a no lynch instead of a mislynch when determining our win condition. Right now we only have one mislynch left, and if we lynch a town Foxcastle, we still have one mislynch left, so that is why I say we have nothing to lose by lynching him. If we lynch any other town, we use our only mislynch.

Except if he's town it's like giving mafia a free night kill.. there's no reason to determine this now.

[bozotheclown]

@Durga: Yes, if he is town it is equivalent to a no lynch, which gives the mafia 2 consecutive NKs, which has the potential to bringing us closer to lylo, but does not in our current situation.

[Durga]

Besides the fact that Foxcastle being the role blocker explains why the mafia did not role block yavuzovic N1 after he hinted he was the cop, or role block yavuzovic N2 instead of NKing him, Foxcastle reluctance to reveal he was DD is suspicious. For these reasons, Foxcastle is a good scum candidate, and lynching him answers some important questions, in addition to the fact that lynching him does not bring us any closer to lylo.

Ghug is equally, if not more, suspicious. His awareness of how the Bo_Sox role and how all the roles function, make him equally if not more likely to avoid using the rb as scum - and I truly don't think VT ghug cares this much about it

I don't think ANYONE has answered my question about a n0 chat???

##CALL GM: WAS THERE A N0 CHAT? pls forgive me if i missed it

[Durga]

@Durga: Yes, if he is town it is equivalent to a no lynch, which gives the mafia 2 consecutive NKs, which has the potential to bringing us closer to lylo, but does not in our current situation.

And if he's town, we lose a townie mind that can actually be useful. We're not lynching him now.

[Ezio]

If Foxcastle is town he's as good as dead already. Mafia can simply avoid touching him forever. If he's town, his only use is to let oracle potentially reveal a scum by transferring the daniel nametag.

If he's scum, knowing that scum can control the NK, they can get the vote off of him the night before Lylo and we won't realize his vote counts until EoD when he will be outed as scum, but the game will be over already.

This should lower the threshold needed to lynch Foxcastle, but I still think it's enough more likely Ghug is scum than him that I'd rather lynch Ghug.

[bozotheclown]

I think there is a reason to determine this now, if we mislynch someone else, we have no mislynches left, and we have not gained much information. If we mislynch Foxcastle, we still have one mislynch left and we determine the mafia's reason for not using the RB was something other than the role blocker being DD. Besides, I think there is a good chance Foxcastle is scum.

[bozotheclown]

@Ezio: How can the mafia get the DD tag off of a scum Foxcastle?

[bozotheclown]

@Durga: Considering I suspect Foxcastle, I would not give any value to his "town" input.

[DemonRHK]

##GM NOTE

The only pre-game actions were the Oracle and Illusionist. Nothing else was active.

[bozotheclown]

@Durga: I agree ghug is just as suspicious, and if Foxcastle flips scum, I would suggest lynching ghug next. However, you are not voting for ghug either. Does it concern you that ghug and Foxcastle are voting for xorxes? Do you think one or both could be bussing him?

[Durga]

@Durga: I agree ghug is just as suspicious, and if Foxcastle flips scum, I would suggest lynching ghug next. However, you are not voting for ghug either. Does it concern you that ghug and Foxcastle are voting for xorxes? Do you think one or both could be bussing him?

xorx is scummy as shit, i definitely think he's being bussed. which is fine, let's get rid of xorx first and then maybe the oracle can shed more light on ghug/fox for us

[Ezio]

@Bozo whichever scum does the nightkill switches nametags with the person they nighkilled, and since they choose who nk's, as soon as they want to get the nametag off foxcastle they can.

[bozotheclown]

I do not see what is so suspect about xorxes. The argument against xorxes seems mostly based on him being different than his town meta, but I have played a complete game with him before.

[bozotheclown]

@Ezio: That puts the DD tag on another scum though, so I do not see how that would help them.

[Ezio]

@Bozo what?

[ghug]

I don't get what you're saying, Ezio. If they have fox kill someone, then that person will flip with the DD tag. If they have him rb their kill target, whoever performs the kill will still be DD.