MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[Vecna]

Bionic - [M4][B4][J5]
Bozo - [M6][B5][J5]
Cmdr - [M3][B3][J5]
yavu - [M9][B5][J5]
dargo - [M1][B2][J3]
EMC - [M1][B5][J3] - Scum if Temasek is
Flavius - [M5][B5][J5]
Kalel - [M2][B5][J3]
purple - [M1][B1][J3]
Temasek - [M6][B6][J5] - Not Scum with Bionic
Vecna - [M5][B4][J5]
xorxes - [M1][B5][J3]

Silence is not golden. While night is a normally quiet time, those who were gone this night get a point for Jack or M. B is less likely to be quiet.

So +1 on those two numbers for tem, BM, Yavu, Cmdr, and darg

SO here is the adjusted chaqa chart:

Bionic - [M6][B4][J6]
Bozo - [M6][B6][J5]
Cmdr - [M4][B3][J6]
yavu - [M10][B5][J6]
dargo - [M2][B2][J4]
EMC - [M1][B5][J3] - Scum if Temasek is
Flavius - [M5][B5][J5]
Kalel - [M2][B5][J4]
purple - [M1][B2][J3]
Temasek - [M7][B6][J6] - Not Scum with Bionic
Vecna - [M5][B4][J6]
xorxes - [M1][B5][J3]

Wait a second, dargo you put points on yourself???

He's also trying to claim I was gone/quiet....

[FlaviusAetius]

I dont understand the Bionic case, its on votes that make sense, besides his Computer_Genius vote, but then again lots of people did that, and they simply shouldnt have, its a thing against him, just cant be the ENTIRE thing against,

on the other hand the case against yavu is much more thorough and I will be giving it now

[Vecna]

I think its more important to get a mafia member and hope Hyde kills someone from the other mafia team

-IF- hyde has been reading anything at all, he has no reason whatsoever not to shoot at one of the town PR's

He only knows two, and one of them he cant kill, and the other has an infinite save

What type of shit logic is this? How does Tom have infinite saves? ND cannot save the same person two nights in a row. Demon has 3 shots.

Im not saying we should lynch ND here, but having an extra kill every 2 nights that are quite likely to go on townclears is bad.

Even if we lynch the 2 bad guys in the male VT claimants, Hyde can just kill the newly confirmed town.

Ive talked myself into probably needing to do some math on this stuff

[Vecna]

I think its more important to get a mafia member and hope Hyde kills someone from the other mafia team

-IF- hyde has been reading anything at all, he has no reason whatsoever not to shoot at one of the town PR's

If we kill ND, we kill Tom, by the way of scum killing Tom.
If we save ND, they both get to live indefinetly and Tom gets hold up their RB, so all our other PR's get to do what they want, seems like a good deal to me

The roleblock can only be used against Tom, Hyde Jack and scum though. Theres no town PR left that can be blocked.

[FlaviusAetius]

**NOTE COMPUTER_GENIUS=BO_SOX=YAVU
VAPORWAVE=TOM_BOMBADIL

so computer_genius was big afk the entire day 1, that could be a thousand different reasons, i dont care what they were for, they dont matter

what does matter is people who didnt vote for him, if you really think someone being AFK the first day is a big deal, then you would never think that if they were your teammate

notable people who never voted for computer_genius;
bob(Mafia)
rdrivera(mafia)
people who voted computer_genius day 1
BionicMole
bozo
cmd
frostwind(town)
xorxes(town)

makes you think


↑FlaviusAetius: "What are your first impressions after seeing the role you got?
And do you think Vapor handled it well?

@bo_sox same que..."

My impressions are that I am the role I was given, and Vapor handled my role extremely well. Thanks for asking such a finely tuned, worthwhile question.

bo_sox was not vapor, he was Computer_Genius, why would he answer as if he was Vapor? Originally I thought this was because they were both teamed, but now Im at a lost of words for why he did it.

He also went after bozo hardcore, I think these two arent teammates

He basically said nothing that mattered D2

PRE-YAVU PEOPLE

[FlaviusAetius]

-IF- hyde has been reading anything at all, he has no reason whatsoever not to shoot at one of the town PR's

He only knows two, and one of them he cant kill, and the other has an infinite save

What type of shit logic is this? How does Tom have infinite saves? ND cannot save the same person two nights in a row. Demon has 3 shots.

Im not saying we should lynch ND here, but having an extra kill every 2 nights that are quite likely to go on townclears is bad.

Even if we lynch the 2 bad guys in the male VT claimants, Hyde can just kill the newly confirmed town.

Ive talked myself into probably needing to do some math on this stuff

Does Hyde kill tonight?

[bozotheclown]

Do you have an original idea bozo, or do you just steal all of Xorxes?

Thissss seems mighty convenient Bozo is parroting everything Xorxes said when xorxes is dead

I believe xorxes was correct about BionicMole.

[bozotheclown]

So is that a 'no' ?

OK, here are some things that I do not think xorxes pointed out.

On D1, when Bob had 4 votes and Computer_Genius was the only other player with with more than 1 vote, you switch your vote to Computer_Genius and defended Bob with this:

I'm trying to find a place for my vote. I can't see jumping on the Bob wagon because he sucks at telling jokes and nobody likes his rhyme scheme. I think I will give my vote to the absent guy that I have no history with until I get further information from him. This may seem like the lazy way but even if ComputerG is town, he is not helping us solve the game.

##vote Computer

On D3, when rdrivera and yavuzovic were tied at 4 votes each, you switched your vote to yavuzovic 1 hour before EOD. You had not mentioned yavuzovic all of D3 until 1.5 hours before EOD, when rdrivera and yavuzovic were already the top wagons. It seems 1.5 hours before EOD you were setting up a vote for yavuzovic.

I hate everyone who voted computer_genius too, but xorxes did too, and so Im not sure if its really saying anything if they voted for ComputerG, and you have literally nothing else backing it up

Not everyone who voted for Computer_Genius directly defended Bob, but you are correct, it is just one data point. However, I do think there are a number of other data points to back it up.

[KalelChase]

He only knows two, and one of them he cant kill, and the other has an infinite save

What type of shit logic is this? How does Tom have infinite saves? ND cannot save the same person two nights in a row. Demon has 3 shots.

Im not saying we should lynch ND here, but having an extra kill every 2 nights that are quite likely to go on townclears is bad.

Even if we lynch the 2 bad guys in the male VT claimants, Hyde can just kill the newly confirmed town.

Ive talked myself into probably needing to do some math on this stuff

Does Hyde kill tonight?

Jack is even nights, Hyde is odd.

[bozotheclown]

Also a vote for yavu is a great vote, and I fail to see why you dont like people voting for yavu @bozo

I did not say I don't like people voting for yavuzovic, yavuzovic may very well be scum also. However, I think BionicMole is more likely to be the last Moriarty, and getting rid of the last Moriarty first will eliminate a potential NK. I do not know if we can afford 3 NKs tonight.

[bozotheclown]

I dont understand the Bionic case, its on votes that make sense, besides his Computer_Genius vote, but then again lots of people did that, and they simply shouldnt have, its a thing against him, just cant be the ENTIRE thing against,

on the other hand the case against yavu is much more thorough and I will be giving it now

Besides BionicMole's voting, it is based on how rdrivera interacted with everyone who could potentially be his missing teammate.

[FlaviusAetius]

Good morning, dear players of webdiplomacy.
After some unfortunate events, I know that I disappeared for some time.

Now, I don't see the role PM for VT role in the starting post.

If someone tell me what information we have so far it would be great and a quick summary of the past phases would make me thankful.

why does it matter if you see the role PM for it or not?
why would this be yavu's FIRST post ever

Night 2 he gets grilled for getting subbed in, easy to explain it away by saying what happened, NAI imo

you know actually I've been going over his posts, and I dont see much Day 3...
I mean he didnt vote for rdrivera, even when the wagon was picking up steam, infact he had nothing to say about it whatsoever
makes me wonder why he didnt move to the wagon that was TIED with him but instead stick on his solo wagon, just really odd
like no defense for rdrivera, no attacking rdrivera, he literally just ignored the person who was tied with him. why?

[bozotheclown]

Good morning, dear players of webdiplomacy.
After some unfortunate events, I know that I disappeared for some time.

Now, I don't see the role PM for VT role in the starting post.

If someone tell me what information we have so far it would be great and a quick summary of the past phases would make me thankful.

why does it matter if you see the role PM for it or not?
why would this be yavu's FIRST post ever

Night 2 he gets grilled for getting subbed in, easy to explain it away by saying what happened, NAI imo

you know actually I've been going over his posts, and I dont see much Day 3...
I mean he didnt vote for rdrivera, even when the wagon was picking up steam, infact he had nothing to say about it whatsoever
makes me wonder why he didnt move to the wagon that was TIED with him but instead stick on his solo wagon, just really odd
like no defense for rdrivera, no attacking rdrivera, he literally just ignored the person who was tied with him. why?

That is a good point, but yavuzovic may have just been keeping his options open on voting for rdrivera to save himself, and by EOD it was rdrivera vs. Tom, so yavuzovic never had to move his vote.

[e.m.c^42]

I still can't be arsed to do shit all currently

Not dead, but will be back likely tomorrow

[FlaviusAetius]

on night 3, he thinks kitsune is the last moriarty member, still no comments on rdrivera, or anything abut the day before, he acts like it never even happened

he doesnt push kitsune though and just plays defense for why he and tom arent teammates(the relationship is there ngl)

at the end of day 4 this is what he says;
Chaqa can be town,
Kitsune can be town as well

But I prefer active ones (as long as it's not spamming the thread)
##vote Kitsune

5 Bio 3 Kit 3 Cha 2 Fla

These were the candidates at the time, why wouldnt he vote for Bionic?
Bionic and him arent teammates thats for sure, because Bionic voted for Computer_Genius
Makes me think him and Chaqa are teamed, obviously not true

To me it seems yavu is indifferent he literally doesnt care who gets lynched, thats why he he just goes with the flow and votes whoever, he doesnt push anyone

Also a few days before this he literally thought Kitsune was the LAST MEMBER OF MORIARTY, now he thinks Kitsune is town?
He doesnt even push Kitsune by the way

While rereading,
I suck, I really. Sorry, I'm not making original ideas but wandering around and making offensive posts. I would lynch myself. In the other hand, I weigh the ideas in my head, don't worry about it.
##unvote

This is basically how yavu has been acting all game, 'oh im so bad, but dont lynch me its ok guys' trying to get ahead of all the bad things he's done? probably. he's a lone.


I didn't like this wagon to grow that fast :/

-->he then proceeds to begin walking it back and hoping kitsune is scum
if you are voting for someone, you think their scum, you shouldnt be happy it grew fast, not worried, but you know whats funny you made the accusation that Kitsune is the last moriarty member, but you do not push her throughout the entire day, then 12 mintues at EoD you come mozying on it and just vote her...

[FlaviusAetius]

I dont understand the Bionic case, its on votes that make sense, besides his Computer_Genius vote, but then again lots of people did that, and they simply shouldnt have, its a thing against him, just cant be the ENTIRE thing against,

on the other hand the case against yavu is much more thorough and I will be giving it now

Besides BionicMole's voting, it is based on how rdrivera interacted with everyone who could potentially be his missing teammate.

how about the people he DIDNT interact with?

[FlaviusAetius]

should be happy it grew fast*

it seems, he never ever thought kitsune was scum in the first place, so why make that accusation?

[FlaviusAetius]

We should've wait the accused answer first.
That happened in a time she couldn't reply to our accusations.

Then why vote for her? Wait, I'll do you one better, why not PUSH HER, because you THOUGHT she was scum, in fact you were probably the FIRST person to do so, and nothing, absolutely nothing to show for it

[FlaviusAetius]

-IF- hyde has been reading anything at all, he has no reason whatsoever not to shoot at one of the town PR's

If we kill ND, we kill Tom, by the way of scum killing Tom.
If we save ND, they both get to live indefinetly and Tom gets hold up their RB, so all our other PR's get to do what they want, seems like a good deal to me

The roleblock can only be used against Tom, Hyde Jack and scum though. Theres no town PR left that can be blocked.

Hmm, seems my logic would of held up better if Kitsune was still a live...

[FlaviusAetius]

Do you have an original idea bozo, or do you just steal all of Xorxes?

Thissss seems mighty convenient Bozo is parroting everything Xorxes said when xorxes is dead

I believe xorxes was correct about BionicMole.

You believe he is correct, when he is dead. When he's a live, he's wrong, or to be ignored? amirite?