MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[FlaviusAetius]

For anyone who scumreads Flav over his post jumping, I suggest not. Will also concur with Vecna towards how when catch-up posting, it is easy to jump ahead and reply to something interesting once you see it. Have done it in past myself, the only reason it does not appear so is because tend to draft ~10 replies at once, then edit and post in chronological order for easier reading later.

Ive done it in THIS GAME too, so this isnt something Im trying to be secret about, I dont understand why people think its such a problem

[FlaviusAetius]

##vote demon not sure why it says im voting for tom, catching up now

[FlaviusAetius]

@Flav

You voted for Tom? I think you quoted Bionic's old post wrongly, probs a mistake.

oh, yea I just fixed it

[FlaviusAetius]

Glad Flavius jammed up two pages of the thread with random babble as he pretends to catch up. Please.

... you just dont want to listen, why would I read the ENTIRE thread and then go back and start pretending to catch up do you not understand how HARD that is and how LONG that takes to do??? I already have a whole bunch of essays to do Im not going to do that, no one here does that, stop pretending like its a real thing anyone does

[FlaviusAetius]

The crux of the RHK issue is that if an un cc’d Cop who just lynched scum announces they have a guilty, the natural town immediate reaction I would expect is to believe it. I would not expect town to question it, or ask why I wasn’t roleblocked, unless they had that on the mind because they knew I was roleblocked

ahhhh, there it is, the classic 'scumslip'
FOLKS HERE IS THE GRAND ARGUMENT ON DEMON;
scumslip, lurking andddddd META! WOOO! This is incredibly weak, incredibly silly, and just absolutely random, no one cared about Demon, and all these things were true, but when emc resrufaces with him, everyone all of a sudden wants to go after the easy peasy Demon lynch!

I disproved the bozo argument btw and as emc pointed out, bozo is doing the exact same thing!!

What are you referring to when you say "the exact same thing"?

you saying that demon was just participating and just lurking, you were doing the exact same thing

[FlaviusAetius]

Flav, I work customer service, where it’s rude to interrupt someone while they are talking. Seeing as how you like to go on for 3 pages at a stretch, and comment on past posts like current events, I figure I wait until you finish.

Speaking of, your big dramatic turn onto my wagon seems forced or preplanned. I’ve been open about engaging dialogue today but most people seem content to talk about me and not to me.

Bozo is still desperate for a counterclaim that is never going to come.

And, I’m still the lynch nearly 13 hours after claiming. Hmmmmmm.

it wasnt that dramatic, just go explain why you decided to think those two were scum, and then decided not to push them whatsoever or bring it up ever again

[e.m.c^42]

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no one here does that, stop pretending like its a real thing anyone does

In his defense, Vecna did as scum in a game awhile back iirc, and I've done it as 3p lol

[FlaviusAetius]

Flav, I work customer service, where it’s rude to interrupt someone while they are talking. Seeing as how you like to go on for 3 pages at a stretch, and comment on past posts like current events, I figure I wait until you finish.

Speaking of, your big dramatic turn onto my wagon seems forced or preplanned. I’ve been open about engaging dialogue today but most people seem content to talk about me and not to me.

Bozo is still desperate for a counterclaim that is never going to come.

And, I’m still the lynch nearly 13 hours after claiming. Hmmmmmm.

well if it doesnt come, im not going to keep my vote on you and vote back for chaqa

[FlaviusAetius]

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no one here does that, stop pretending like its a real thing anyone does

In his defense, Vecna did as scum in a game awhile back iirc, and I've done it as 3p lol

O_O

[FlaviusAetius]

Here is what xorxes was referring to:

Ok guys here's the GRAND case on Demon, he scumread rdrivera and Bob in the beginning of the game...aka the INFAMOUS JOKE PHASE, great going, Im sure he SCUMREAD a lot of other people too...but no you dont want to mention that, wonder why
Ontop of that how about you look at the PERSON who has DIVERTED wagons away from rdrivera and bob, the one, the only Chaqa. Dont you think thats more scummy??

I do sure find this timing of suddenly hard townreading and defending RHK interesting after hea about to get to that reveal.

That is false, Ive been defending RHK wayyyy before he got commuter

[FlaviusAetius]

This is not what I said at all.

So what did you say then? Because thats exactly what I read

1: the people that were claiming to scumread bob, without actually voting there before it was a critical unstoppable wagon. and a certain few that were hard shading the bon wagon without proper reason
2: and those two people that xorxes mentioned, that didnt make any vote for any proper wagon in the three days.

so people thought bob was scum without actually voting for it...
a lot of people here believe in scumslips so thats why they were thinking he was scum, so that could be a reason but i agree a lot of people jumped on computer_genius and then talking about bob being scum without actually voting there until the last moment really bad
and what two people?

[FlaviusAetius]

Ok guys here's the GRAND case on Demon, he scumread rdrivera and Bob in the beginning of the game...aka the INFAMOUS JOKE PHASE, great going, Im sure he SCUMREAD a lot of other people too...but no you dont want to mention that, wonder why
Ontop of that how about you look at the PERSON who has DIVERTED wagons away from rdrivera and bob, the one, the only Chaqa. Dont you think thats more scummy??

I do sure find this timing of suddenly hard townreading and defending RHK interesting after hea about to get to that reveal.

That is false, Ive been defending RHK wayyyy before he got commuter

he claimed commuter*

[FlaviusAetius]

If you sprinkle it with capital letters and exclamation points all the better.

now thats just rude, you guys need to be nicer, I am just responding how I see things, if you have a problem with it, I dont care, its how I do things, and its objectively the best method in playing mafia, if you arent doing this, I'd love to know why getting full context on everything allows you to place down your actual views, instead of manufactured ones lol

Because a limited view, from a 'single perspective', is much easier to fake than an opinion made with an attempt at analysis taking into account the context of whatever occurred.

This is from both a time standpoint and an effort standpoint. There is a reason why people don't put much trust in "townslips" or "scumslips" the majority of the time, as like you have said, it is easier to fake.

In general, it's much easier pretending to be stupid than pretending to be not - coming from someone who plays a similar niche to you.

I still think its wayyyyyy easier to fake an opinion with full context than not with it, you can also do both as I do so moot point

[FlaviusAetius]

Here's another thing. For all you hate meta, Flav, it's one of the few things that's stopped us from collectively lynching you so far, as your playstyle is one that inherently comes off as scummy from an objective standpoint. That's not something out-of-the-ordinary. So is my own playstyle. So is yavuz's. Even Kalel, to a point.

Well you shouldnt scum read someone for their playstyle either thats going off of meta once more, just read what people say for goodness sakes

[FlaviusAetius]

I voted Vecna because no one had any idea what he was saying.

That seems like a weak reason, I hope you've been paying attention to the game more than just that, he's said some pretty good stuff

Have you been paying attention? My vote was D1 when Vecna was speaking in that street urchin speak. But yes after stopping that he has said things I agree with.

Oh my bad I mised the day 1 thing, I thought you were still scumreading Vecna

[FlaviusAetius]

I do not think it was a waste of time. I think purple is town based on this. I find it odd that RHK seemed so surprised that I wasn’t roleblocked. I do think RHK should be a wagon today

people either thought purple was town
people either thought purple was inactive
or people thought purple was just NAI
What people DIDNT think was purple was scum, your accusing of him did nothing to change that, didnt offer any meaningful discussions because there was none to be had, a big waste of time imo

Some people clearly thought I was scum.

Freaking knew Purple was scum. Damn. This is fabulous.

##VOTE PURPLECOW

BYE BYE LOSER

I meant BEFORE Tom revealed NO ONE thought you were scum

[FlaviusAetius]

Enough, time to lay my cards on the table.

I AM THE COMMUTER.

You can switch to victim blaming me for 'claiming too early' now.

Players who have posted after DemonRHK claimed commuter without counterclaiming commuter: BionicMole, Tom, xorxes, bozo, dargorygel, CmdrLikely, Flavius, Temasek, Chaqa, Vecna.

Players yet to post: yavuzovic, emc, Kalel, Kitsune, ND, purplecow.

I am posting without counterclaiming commuter. There was more to the Demon wagon that what was presented by Flav... and one point I was convinced.

I've learned some interesting (Advanced) strategies from ND and Tom this game, so going to put them in Town.
Thought Bionic was town, and Demon was Scum, but now I don't know.

Feel like voting for Flav just because of all the chaos and noise. A few more pages to go and then I'll look through the Bot and change my vote if justified.

I dont know why you think posting a lot is noise, its called playing the game, if you dont like someone playing the game, then I dont know what to tell you

[purplecow]

people either thought purple was town
people either thought purple was inactive
or people thought purple was just NAI
What people DIDNT think was purple was scum, your accusing of him did nothing to change that, didnt offer any meaningful discussions because there was none to be had, a big waste of time imo

Some people clearly thought I was scum.

Freaking knew Purple was scum. Damn. This is fabulous.

##VOTE PURPLECOW

BYE BYE LOSER

I meant BEFORE Tom revealed NO ONE thought you were scum

That is still not true.

Oh, one last thing:

Some scum leans of mine from day 1 that haven't been cleared up one way or the other (feel free to pick up my BunnyBaton (TM) and run with them)

1) PurpleCow -- I don't like him...I think he's scummy noob

2) FlavorFlav -- somethings up, but it is hard to post this much and hide. Still...take a look someone

3) Xorxes -- he's seeming better today, but yesterday was bad

[FlaviusAetius]

So more on Flav. Why do people scumread you?

Because not very many actually believe that you're that stupid, despite you styling your syntax to give the impression of so. I started off doing so as well, but have recently been dialing it down (anyone recall those "stream-of-consciousness" paragraphs? yeah). Intentionally unintelligible styled posts is a very, very viable scum tactic to avoid in-depth interactions, especially for players like us. Maniac used it as scum most recently, iirc.

You definitely have comments and reads at times that are pretty decent, but you stylize everything into a more difficult to read format. Off the top of my head, this includes leaving out apostrophes, using capitalization and exclamation points in order to convey emphasis, and favouring long and rambling sentences through excessive comma usage. To a lesser extent, the avoidance of grammatically correct capitalization, although this is more of "tone" issue than a "difficult to read" issue.

The main thing is the last point, but it all adds up to give off impressions of;

1) That you are speaking in a rush, without pause for actually thinking about what you are saying. Low effort content, for the sake of having activity rather than the sake of trying to solve.

2) That you are lacking the interest or respect to others to take the time to organize your thoughts more intelligibly, and are only interested in talking without much response.

3) That you are just unable to understand the meaning of analysis that is deeper than surface level, nor subtlety, and the impressions are true.

4) That due to it being so extreme, you are caricaturing and faking all of the above, in order to get away with a lot more than you otherwise could. If you establish a town playstyle like this, it is comparatively easier to pull it off as scum - essentially, you're creating a smokescreen to hide behind or currently hiding behind one.

Regardless of whether any of this is true, regardless of whether any of this is purposeful to get people to underestimate you, this is what your current playstyle is oriented towards being perceived as.

This is also disregarding your actual reads so far, as a purely stylistic commentary. Gotta dig into that as well, lol

Oh just great, this is just great
I am now going to download grammarly again, play on google chrome and put everything i ever say into grammarly(when i get back on my computer of course) didnt know talking in grammar meant so much to you!

I SPEANT THREE HOURS ON THIS GAME LAST NIGHT DONT TELL ME I DONT SPEND ENOUGH TIME, I HAVE BLOWN OFF WRITING ESSAYS TO PLAY THIS GAME, I PUT ALL THE EFFORT IN THE WORLD HERE, OBVIOUSLY A LOT MORE THAN SOME PEOPLE HERE

I do, do analysis I have no idea what your talking about EVEN YOU SAID I do analysis, Im responding to everything, looking at it, thinking about it critically I dont understand what is wrong with this...also yea sometimes I dont understand what you guys are trying to say, crucify me

Just read what I say I dont know why thats so hard to do

[FlaviusAetius]

Some people clearly thought I was scum.

I meant BEFORE Tom revealed NO ONE thought you were scum

That is still not true.

Oh, one last thing:

Some scum leans of mine from day 1 that haven't been cleared up one way or the other (feel free to pick up my BunnyBaton (TM) and run with them)

1) PurpleCow -- I don't like him...I think he's scummy noob

2) FlavorFlav -- somethings up, but it is hard to post this much and hide. Still...take a look someone

3) Xorxes -- he's seeming better today, but yesterday was bad

Ok thats one person, not THAT big of a deal, but I see where you were coming from