MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[KalelChase]

DEMON - Can you specifically tell us who you commuted each time?

That would help me clear you and vote for either Commander (which I've scumleaned as well), or myself (although I'm more likely to vote flav since I know I'm town).

Well, seeing as how I can only commute myself...Any time I may or may not have commuted, I was the one commuted.

Appreciate the clarification. I did go read it myself. I must have confused it with the way it worked in an earlier game. This is actually the first time I realized that roles with the same name could work differently (I've only been a PR once).

I really want to move my vote. Any comment on the other stuff that's keeping me up at night (two misses)?

[KalelChase]

I don't think it's realistic to ISO yourself, but I promised. Put ? where I think I'm biased or where I don't think the action is clearly scum/town.

Kalel ISO
Day 1
? Not good at joke phase
+ Went after Vapor too hard for the "strongly, not strongly" thing
+ Flav came at me for being slow, I explained my spreadsheet data process, and posted results, which on hindsite are pretty good for Day 1.

BobMc (-1): -1 (66) Flip/Flopped Vote quickly
Bozo (+2): -1 (43) Dumb Rules questions, +1 (61) starts good conversation, +1 (80) good analysis, +1 (124) Good follow-up to Demon
Bunny (-1): -1 for lurking
Chaqa (0): -1 for claiming without consent of team, +1 for justification post sharing strategy for doing so
Damo (-2): +2 IQ posts 23 and 122, -3 Baseless (not justified) vote of Flav, -1 Coutner vote to Rdr for what reason?
DemR (4): 1+3 Probably too much credit to a newbie (to me, but understand they've played here before), but the post is intelligent and followed up with questions.
e.m.c (-1): -1 Gut read post 88 is weak for such a veteran, possibly just fishing
Flav (-1): -1 199 Hide is not US (Town) later explained
Purplecow (1): Aggressive newbie post 160 vote Vecna, not great reasons, but reasons I've done as a newbie... points for trying.
RDR (-2): -1 pocketing Xorx? -1 Weak gut vote Damo
Vapor (3): 5 Well justified Damo vote, -1 Strong Town not Strong (this just bothered me), -1 Vapor playing dumb post 167
Xorxes (4): A single dumb question for a veteran (136- "I thought I read somewhere"), but several push backs an good questions in a row.

+ Pushed back on Vapor
+ Several other questions and push-backs that day (I have to say on my third game I was much more aggressive at challenging folks out of the gate).
+Vapor asked for my 'fishy' assessment.

My current top (bottom points) scum would be...

RDR (Mostly for pocketing Xorx. Seems to be manipulating rather than making cases. + points for pointing a finger at Damo who...)
Damo (Unjustified Flavus, then retributive to RDR, & trying to influence newbies on ND (which could be justified).

Lots of players tied for 0 after that including Bob who lost points for unjustified claim and flip-flopping early. He's gone after Vapor and Xorx in a justified way, so play has gotten better since start, but that really depends on if he's right about them, which we don't know yet.

##VOTE BOB

Night 1
- Relaxed and got casual/social.

Day 2
- Low posts
- Part of Frostwind wagon
- Pulled RDR out of Scum and into Townlean due to his behavior points... clearly a mistake.
In my defense the Chaqa vs. ND claim thing threw me for a loop.

Night 2
+ Posted new point list (#1796)
? e.m.c. is either genuinely interested in writing, or is pocketing me
? Bionic ISO that clears him in my mind (at this point in time)

Day 3 (Bunny's gone )
? Found that I was suspicious of Flav in a convo with Bionic
+ Several clarification questions and pushbacks
- Went after Cmdr (20% ISO case, 80% sheeping Bionic/Xorx (who then left the wagon)).
+ Redeemed myself with a RDR ISO (Post #2173). 3rd to hop on behind Tom and Xorx

Night 3 (Holiday Slump)
? Followed Flavs advice to not talk at night, only 5 posts.

Day 4
? Demon scum reads Me, Bionic and Hosu. Says Town's ND, Tom, Chaqa & Vecna. I push back on justification for any of it (Possibly he was basing it on some commuting info?)
- I vote Demon because he seemed pissed that there were "Two more misses"... Honestly this was my biggest motivator and the strongest reason I want to keep my vote here.
- Confused on Tom's gambit and Flav's time-traveling posts.

Well there it is. I tried to be as unbiased as I could. As usual a bunch of data without much analysis.

[DemonRHK]

Two more misses what the actual fuck

Demon,
If you're the commuter I really want to get my vote off you. Can you explain what your mindset was on this statement?

I was expressing surprise that the different teams either keep overlapping targets or aiming for protected until labor people?

Where did this horseshit of indicating interest into the happenings of night phase being an alleged scumtell become this widely accepted?

[yavuzovic]

So to get ahead of any ideas of mass claim....


I didn’t scan purple. It’s our job now to figure out the reactions. Three people knew I was lying because I was roleblocked. For what it’s worth, I got a towny reaction from purple from this. The sketchiest reaction is from DemonRHK who looks to be either coaching scumbuddies by saying “why weren’t you roleblocked” or just making a really bad comment as town.

Really, I did believe, so did I vote. Therefore I don't have a reason to vote purplecow any longer.
I told you that I don't mind lynching RHK eithre so before catching up further, I will ##vote DemonRHK

[CmdrLikely]

I see you ordered a vote for me.
Would you like to give a side of reasoning along with it?

Yeah in a minute.

Hello?

I'm pretty confused tbh.
##UNVOTE

[CmdrLikely]

##vote CMDR

ND, can you help me out here? What's the case? Prepping my ISO now.

Tough love <3

[CmdrLikely]

Is Tom clear or not?

[e.m.c^42]

Is Tom clear or not?

Depends on how you define "clear". In most games, an "explicit clear" is not possible until the role is dead and flipped, unless it has some sort of instantaneous effect in the main thread (vig, innocent child, etc...). So most of the time, "clear" is just "essentially clear", when there is no counterclaim. Tom is in the latter category at the moment, as is RHK and ND.

[e.m.c^42]

Would not mind lynching Kit today, I think

Me, too.
She's better than this. Being busy aside (lots have claimed scheduling troubles,) when she is on she coasts.

And bozo asked why I was surprised about the claim of commuter. Because I was not expecting it? Closer to EOD, maybe... But also because I had in mind someone else for that pr.

Yes. I do not think there is much more to add since previous "case", as it still holds true without much change.

[yavuzovic]

Enough, time to lay my cards on the table.

I AM THE COMMUTER.

You can switch to victim blaming me for 'claiming too early' now.

I still find you very scummy, I wonder if anyone else cced you already. I can move my vote off you, when I come before EoD. Do you have an explanation for that case bozo brought. Could you really foretell two scums in your first message?

[e.m.c^42]

For anyone who scumreads Flav over his post jumping, I suggest not. Will also concur with Vecna towards how when catch-up posting, it is easy to jump ahead and reply to something interesting once you see it. Have done it in past myself, the only reason it does not appear so is because tend to draft ~10 replies at once, then edit and post in chronological order for easier reading later.

[e.m.c^42]

For anyone who scumreads Flav over his post jumping, I suggest not. Will also concur with Vecna towards how when catch-up posting, it is easy to jump ahead and reply to something interesting once you see it. Have done it in past myself, the only reason it does not appear so is because of tendency to draft ~10 replies at once, then edit and post in chronological order for easier reading later.

*Edit for clarity

[DemonRHK]

Enough, time to lay my cards on the table.

I AM THE COMMUTER.

You can switch to victim blaming me for 'claiming too early' now.

I still find you very scummy, I wonder if anyone else cced you already. I can move my vote off you, when I come before EoD. Do you have an explanation for that case bozo brought. Could you really foretell two scums in your first message?

I explaned in that post what I was seeing, as well as made another post on it today. If you can’t be assed enough to keep up or at least fully catch up before fucking voted for outed and claimed PR what fucking good are you?

[DemonRHK]

This entire ‘heckling from the balcony while I retread 15 pages’ bullshit is a strategy to artificially inflate activity at best and to discredit and obscure VCA at worst.

[KalelChase]

Two more misses what the actual fuck

Demon,
If you're the commuter I really want to get my vote off you. Can you explain what your mindset was on this statement?

I was expressing surprise that the different teams either keep overlapping targets or aiming for protected until labor people?

Where did this horseshit of indicating interest into the happenings of night phase being an alleged scumtell become this widely accepted?

Demon - I interpret "what the actual fuck" as disappointment, not just surprise. Appreciate the response.

[yavuzovic]

Public record note: bozo wants to lynch me over a confirmed red.

He makes sense though, even if I don't agree at the moment. This post only confirms that you are a scum, and likely the last member of your team.

:facedesk: what does this even mean yavu

This means:
Bozo wants to lynch RHK over a confirmed scum (who was purple but now we know that he isn't scanned mafia, and more likely town.). But even when you think purple was mafia, Bozo had a reason to prefer in this way. I agreed with bozo's logic, that we can kill mafia!purple later in order to try our chance for RHK. And that post I quoted from RHK was a signature of his scumminess.

[e.m.c^42]

This entire ‘heckling from the balcony while I retread 15 pages’ bullshit is a strategy to artificially inflate activity at best and to discredit and obscure VCA at worst.

Lol, it's cute when Vecna does it, but when it's Flav he lacks the necessary composure and comportment to pull it off.

tbh Vec-hun prolly scum this game, but we ain't gonna lynch him either way. Gotta see an endgame, better chances this game than others

[xorxes]

The only one left who potentially hasn't read the claim is Kitsune, and for some reason I still don't understand she felt compelled to tell us that she has a male role, so I don't see a counterclaim coming from her.

[purplecow]

He makes sense though, even if I don't agree at the moment. This post only confirms that you are a scum, and likely the last member of your team.

:facedesk: what does this even mean yavu

This means:
Bozo wants to lynch RHK over a confirmed scum (who was purple but now we know that he isn't scanned mafia, and more likely town.). But even when you think purple was mafia, Bozo had a reason to prefer in this way. I agreed with bozo's logic, that we can kill mafia!purple later in order to try our chance for RHK. And that post I quoted from RHK was a signature of his scumminess.

Am I mafia or not yav?

[Chaqa]

My preferred lynch today is Kitsune, but as I said Bionic is #2.

##Vote BionicMole

Start working our way through the lurker scum types.