MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[e.m.c^42]

Speaking of, RHK, do you think it's possible part of the sudden pile on you was due to one or more players failing a night action on you? Obviously, don't confirm or deny anything in reply, but just for consideration.

[purplecow]

A quick skim of Days 1 & 2 don't reveal much helpful voting by Purple or Rivera, or much helpful in who they voted for. Purple did vote Vecna, so that's a very minor thing, but overall it's hard to say.

I voted Vecna because no one had any idea what he was saying.

That seems like a weak reason, I hope you've been paying attention to the game more than just that, he's said some pretty good stuff

Have you been paying attention? My vote was D1 when Vecna was speaking in that street urchin speak. But yes after stopping that he has said things I agree with.

[purplecow]

In this thread: all team b scum putting on their best acting performances

Hope youre getting something out of this Tom. Feels like a giant waste of time though and im pretty sure youre giving everyone an excuse to just votepark on town for most of the day.

I do not think it was a waste of time. I think purple is town based on this. I find it odd that RHK seemed so surprised that I wasn’t roleblocked. I do think RHK should be a wagon today

people either thought purple was town
people either thought purple was inactive
or people thought purple was just NAI
What people DIDNT think was purple was scum, your accusing of him did nothing to change that, didnt offer any meaningful discussions because there was none to be had, a big waste of time imo

Some people clearly thought I was scum.

Freaking knew Purple was scum. Damn. This is fabulous.

##VOTE PURPLECOW

BYE BYE LOSER

[purplecow]

##Vote Purplecow

I see you ordered a vote for me.
Would you like to give a side of reasoning along with it?

Yeah in a minute.

Hello?

[KalelChase]

Enough, time to lay my cards on the table.

I AM THE COMMUTER.

You can switch to victim blaming me for 'claiming too early' now.

Players who have posted after DemonRHK claimed commuter without counterclaiming commuter: BionicMole, Tom, xorxes, bozo, dargorygel, CmdrLikely, Flavius, Temasek, Chaqa, Vecna.

Players yet to post: yavuzovic, emc, Kalel, Kitsune, ND, purplecow.

I am posting without counterclaiming commuter. There was more to the Demon wagon that what was presented by Flav... and one point I was convinced.

I've learned some interesting (Advanced) strategies from ND and Tom this game, so going to put them in Town.
Thought Bionic was town, and Demon was Scum, but now I don't know.

Feel like voting for Flav just because of all the chaos and noise. A few more pages to go and then I'll look through the Bot and change my vote if justified.

[KalelChase]

Here's another thing. For all you hate meta, Flav, it's one of the few things that's stopped us from collectively lynching you so far, as your playstyle is one that inherently comes off as scummy from an objective standpoint. That's not something out-of-the-ordinary. So is my own playstyle. So is yavuz's. Even Kalel, to a point.

A complete aside, in the three games I've played I tend to be scumread when I let my guard down and socialize (not just focus on the data and the game). Even when I was a PR in M50 and felt more engaged and present in the game, I only got scumread when I wrote casually. Don't know that it means anything... just funny.

[ND]

I am going to stay on Cmdr. Disappointing Tom faked a result but that is how he plays. Also rhk is probably being honest. He was under alot of pressure and claimed early. If someone ccs I would suspect the ccer. In either case let's put cmdr up for a vote.

[KalelChase]

##vote CMDR

ND, can you help me out here? What's the case? Prepping my ISO now.

[Jamiet99uk]

Vote Count 4.5

BionicMole(3) - Vecna, Temasek22, xorxes
DemonRHK(2) - bozotheclown, KalelChase
KalelChase(2) - DemonRHK, Tom Bombadil
FlaviusAetius(2) - dargorygel, purplecow
purplecow(2) - yavuzovic, CmdrLikely
bozotheclown(1) - Kitsune
CmdrLikely(1) - ND
Kitsune(1) - Chaqa
Tom Bombadil(1)FlaviusAetius

Unvoted: BionicMole

Must Vote by Deadline: BionicMole, emc^42

Currently BIONICMOLE is scheduled to be hung by the neck until dead.

7hrs 48min remain in Day Four.

[ND]

Eh I was pretty sold on cow

[DemonRHK]

Speaking of, RHK, do you think it's possible part of the sudden pile on you was due to one or more players failing a night action on you? Obviously, don't confirm or deny anything in reply, but just for consideration.

If that is the case, there is an extreme retreading of the game that would need done.

[ND]

If I had more time I'd write more thoughts about but I dont. But I suspect he is trying to blend it by 'fitting in' on a wagon or putting his vote on someone easy. His votes really dont pack a case, dont see him scum hunt much, just seems like he is blending in and finding an easy lynch wagon. A proper iso may dredge up more.

[KalelChase]

Well crap... I promised to ISO whoever ND, Bionic and Tom were voting for this morning to compare them to Demon. Bionic is unvote and Tom is me!

Commander ISO
D4 - Pg.132 Admits to playing half-assed from a business meeting.
Then votes Purple saying he'd do whatever Tom says.
+ Does a nice post about Scum claiming VTs
- Need to do something with my vote, 'Demon seems fine'
+ Catches his vagueness...
- Not giving Purplecow a rational, despite multiple requests

Overall coming off as not sure what to do, sheeping, putting some stuff out there (trying)... Feels like a genuine newbie doing their best. Not going to vote for them.

DEMON - Can you specifically tell us who you commuted each time?

That would help me clear you and vote for either Commander (which I've scumleaned as well), or myself (although I'm more likely to vote flav since I know I'm town).

KIT - You have less posts than the Jamiet. Help us!

[Vecna]

The commuter does not work the way you think it does Kalala

[DemonRHK]

DEMON - Can you specifically tell us who you commuted each time?

That would help me clear you and vote for either Commander (which I've scumleaned as well), or myself (although I'm more likely to vote flav since I know I'm town).

Well, seeing as how I can only commute myself...Any time I may or may not have commuted, I was the one commuted.

[e.m.c^42]

So more on Flav. Why do people scumread you?

Because not very many actually believe that you're that stupid, despite you styling your syntax to give the impression of so. I started off doing so as well, but have recently been dialing it down (anyone recall those "stream-of-consciousness" paragraphs? yeah). Intentionally unintelligible styled posts is a very, very viable scum tactic to avoid in-depth interactions, especially for players like us. Maniac used it as scum most recently, iirc.

You definitely have comments and reads at times that are pretty decent, but you stylize everything into a more difficult to read format. Off the top of my head, this includes leaving out apostrophes, using capitalization and exclamation points in order to convey emphasis, and favouring long and rambling sentences through excessive comma usage. To a lesser extent, the avoidance of grammatically correct capitalization, although this is more of "tone" issue than a "difficult to read" issue.

The main thing is the last point, but it all adds up to give off impressions of;

1) That you are speaking in a rush, without pause for actually thinking about what you are saying. Low effort content, for the sake of having activity rather than the sake of trying to solve.

2) That you are lacking the interest or respect to others to take the time to organize your thoughts more intelligibly, and are only interested in talking without much response.

3) That you are just unable to understand the meaning of analysis that is deeper than surface level, nor subtlety, and the impressions are true.

4) That due to it being so extreme, you are caricaturing and faking all of the above, in order to get away with a lot more than you otherwise could. If you establish a town playstyle like this, it is comparatively easier to pull it off as scum - essentially, you're creating a smokescreen to hide behind or currently hiding behind one.

Regardless of whether any of this is true, regardless of whether any of this is purposeful to get people to underestimate you, this is what your current playstyle is oriented towards being perceived as.

This is also disregarding your actual reads so far, as a purely stylistic commentary. Gotta dig into that as well, lol

[e.m.c^42]

Would not mind lynching Kit today, I think

[KalelChase]

Two more misses what the actual fuck

Demon,
If you're the commuter I really want to get my vote off you. Can you explain what your mindset was on this statement?

[KalelChase]

The commuter does not work the way you think it does Kalala

Thanks... let me take a read.

[dargorygel]

Would not mind lynching Kit today, I think

Me, too.
She's better than this. Being busy aside (lots have claimed scheduling troubles,) when she is on she coasts.

And bozo asked why I was surprised about the claim of commuter. Because I was not expecting it? Closer to EOD, maybe... But also because I had in mind someone else for that pr.