MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

For completeness, I did also exclude Temasek and Vecna as I town read Tem (as do most of us) and Vecna I assume will get sorted out by a mafia or Jack or Hyde kill at some point.

[xorxes]

Holy fuck I'm gonna have to reword everything to be more aggressive so Flav can understand lmao

If you sprinkle it with capital letters and exclamation points all the better.

[xorxes]

This game depends on scum hitting scum and jack hitting mafia. As I said before this, Jack isnt really going to worry about female characters as thats such a shot in the dark, theres no reason to hunt, if he even gets its by mere luck, and theres no reason why we should worry about mere luck until said luck starts actually getting lucky. He's going to go for mafia or towny people whichever he thinks is nessecesary at the time, we are completely fine

How do you know so much about what Jack's strategy is?

[xorxes]

Back to ##VOTE DemonRHK

nope go back to ##vote chaqa
you are the one that convinced me he was scum, why arent you sticking with your guns? whats this sudden obsession with demon have to do? it makes no sense, and BTW Tom this obsession over Demon had literally nothing to do with you doing the purple thing

If you read my night posts you will find how I concluded by process of elimination that the most likley last Moriarty was either Bionic or Demon. Then bozo found that very interesting post where Demon scumreads only rivera and Bob pretty much out of the blue, but never takes any action on those reads.

Demon's reaction today has been "grill me, ask me questions". His only concern seems to be his own safety, and does not seem much interested in finding scum. I don't think he has said anything about the massclaim idea, for example.

I'm not 100% sure on Chaqa yet, but it looks less likely that he is on team Moriarty as it first appeared.

[xorxes]

So to get ahead of any ideas of mass claim....


I didn’t scan purple. It’s our job now to figure out the reactions. Three people knew I was lying because I was roleblocked. For what it’s worth, I got a towny reaction from purple from this. The sketchiest reaction is from DemonRHK who looks to be either coaching scumbuddies by saying “why weren’t you roleblocked” or just making a really bad comment as town.

didnt you also say though that you were not roleblocked, and if they already knew you were roleblocked, why would they even question it, that doesnt make much sense...I still think your sherlock but this was a silly idea to go after purplecow...

I never said anything about the roleblock. Go back and check it. The first person to mention the roleblock was RHK.

The reason I picked purple is because he was new, and may fall for something like this. I mean, I wasn’t going to trip up a savvy vet with this nonsense

I don't know if you count him as savvy vet, but Chaqa claims he believed you.

[Chaqa]

The funny thing was, the wild theories on me went:
"Chaqa is scum!!!"

to

"Chaqa is scum on Team Moriarty!!!"

to

"Chaqa HAS to be the Strongman!!!"

to

"Chaqa HAS to be the Moriarty goon!!!"

to

"Chaqa is scum but maybe not on Team Moriarty!!!"

Cut me a break, it's old.

[xorxes]

The crux of the RHK issue is that if an un cc’d Cop who just lynched scum announces they have a guilty, the natural town immediate reaction I would expect is to believe it. I would not expect town to question it, or ask why I wasn’t roleblocked, unless they had that on the mind because they knew I was roleblocked

I don't know, I'm town and I didn't believe you for a second. Also, if he is team Moriarty as I suspect he is, he would not have known for sure that you were roleblocked. I think his reaction was genuine (how come you were not roleblocked? it was obvious you would be rb'd unless mafia2 are all complete noobs) but the towny reaction would have been to play along.

[xorxes]

If Tom is not Sherlock, the real one should stay quiet. That may be obvious but...

No if Tom is not Sherlock the real one should claim RIGHT NOW, we would have two in the row lynches, and a whole bunch of new information. Plus we are going to have to have a big debate about who the real one is, its really really important they claim now, especially since they could DIE tomorrow night!

NOBODY ELSE CLAIM SHERLOCK

I would love a coiunterclaim at this point.

[Chaqa]

I don't actually find RHK's reaction to Tom scummy at all. I was also scratching my head about why Tom wouldn't be roleblocked, since the only other confirmed town (ND) can't be roleblocked. I chalked it up to an inexperienced scum team, which fit Purple being a scum and also fit the very strange nightkill choices.

I don't doubt Tom right now (since there hasn't been a CC) but I do prefer other lynches to RHK.

[xorxes]

For completeness, I did also exclude Temasek and Vecna as I town read Tem (as do most of us) and Vecna I assume will get sorted out by a mafia or Jack or Hyde kill at some point.

Most of us townread Tem?

I'm still wondering why he pushed Hosuke so much. He prides himself of being able to read Hosuke like an open book, he is the only one that really put any focus on Hosuke this game, and yet he missed his blatant crumbs. I don't know, he is a question mark for me.

[xorxes]

The funny thing was, the wild theories on me went:
"Chaqa is scum!!!"

to

"Chaqa is scum on Team Moriarty!!!"

to

"Chaqa HAS to be the Strongman!!!"

to

"Chaqa HAS to be the Moriarty goon!!!"

to

"Chaqa is scum but maybe not on Team Moriarty!!!"

Cut me a break, it's old.

I think the only one who singled you as the Strongman was RHK, for reasons that I still don't follow.

[purplecow]

The crux of the RHK issue is that if an un cc’d Cop who just lynched scum announces they have a guilty, the natural town immediate reaction I would expect is to believe it. I would not expect town to question it, or ask why I wasn’t roleblocked, unless they had that on the mind because they knew I was roleblocked

I don't know, I'm town and I didn't believe you for a second. Also, if he is team Moriarty as I suspect he is, he would not have known for sure that you were roleblocked. I think his reaction was genuine (how come you were not roleblocked? it was obvious you would be rb'd unless mafia2 are all complete noobs) but the towny reaction would have been to play along.

Oh really xorxes?

So awesome news. In fact, I did play a patented Tom Bombadil gambit and did not Cop scan rivera N1. I vanilla/non-vanilla scanned him and got non-vanilla and figured he was scum.

That means that tonight I was able to cop scan and got a GUILTY result for purple cow!!

So either mafia or SK

##VOTE purple

I guess 100% is better than 99% certainty.

[xorxes]

The crux of the RHK issue is that if an un cc’d Cop who just lynched scum announces they have a guilty, the natural town immediate reaction I would expect is to believe it. I would not expect town to question it, or ask why I wasn’t roleblocked, unless they had that on the mind because they knew I was roleblocked

I don't know, I'm town and I didn't believe you for a second. Also, if he is team Moriarty as I suspect he is, he would not have known for sure that you were roleblocked. I think his reaction was genuine (how come you were not roleblocked? it was obvious you would be rb'd unless mafia2 are all complete noobs) but the towny reaction would have been to play along.

Oh really xorxes?

So awesome news. In fact, I did play a patented Tom Bombadil gambit and did not Cop scan rivera N1. I vanilla/non-vanilla scanned him and got non-vanilla and figured he was scum.

That means that tonight I was able to cop scan and got a GUILTY result for purple cow!!

So either mafia or SK

##VOTE purple

I guess 100% is better than 99% certainty.

I don't know, I'm town and I didn't believe you for a second. Also, if he is team Moriarty as I suspect he is, he would not have known for sure that you were roleblocked. I think his reaction was genuine (how come you were not roleblocked? it was obvious you would be rb'd unless mafia2 are all complete noobs) but the towny reaction would have been to play along.

[BionicMole]

When I first heard mention of massclaims (and then maybe just male VT) during this phase my initial reaction was to wonder why we would want to make easy targets for all the hostile entities out there. I admit I have never experienced a massclaim so I don't know how it really plays out. Looking at the numbers that Xorxes has laid out, it makes a little more sense provided we don't miss any along the way. His numbers also are worse case with all the kills hitting, which we haven't seen to this point so I am not opposed to the discussion.

[Vecna]

Why did you give this random read on damo that literally no one asked for. And now he shows up as dead, you realize how suspicious that is? Its absoulutely ridiculous and frankly, you havent done anything in my mind to get out of that scum category, you and bosox(now yavu) in my view are connected, it seems there's more traction for the bosox(now yavu) wagon though, ##vote yavu if he pops up as scum, you are following.

This post is actually a major red flag.

How do you even remember someone saying a random thing about a random player, and then bringing it up when that guy dies two days later? Looks like part of some stupid plan.

umm I go back in the chat and respond from there, so I didnt remember, I read it

It didnt seem like your usual catchup though and it was a ~48h flashback quote

[Vecna]

Yav, you are getting weirder, you know pretty well GMs can't give any proof.

I still don't much of a real reason to vote Cmdr or purplecow other then lurking and in this case Kit, Hosuke or even me are probably lurking even more.

Both Yavu and Chaqa are good lynch candidates, my problem with Yav wagon is who are on it, I suspect both Tom and Tem and Bozo isn't much towny too.

I reallly don't like Chaqa answer to Xorxes, it seems fabricated, but I still don't buy this Chaqa and Vecna are scum together thing. I think one of then is scum, just not sure which.

##vote Chaqa while I try to re-read both EODs that I missed.

This puts another dent in the "Chaqa = last team M" theory. Setting that wagon up to be a very reasonable contender when youre the only 2 remaining seems pretty damn unlikely, despite Rdrivera's fondness of busses.

What are you talking about? Chaqa took us off Bob and put us on Vapor, there just wasnt enough votes to switch it over. And Chaqa only went on rdrivera because Tom revealed, which everyone did. What is the dents in the theory? Because Im believing it now ##vote chaqa

Because Rdrivera was actively shading Chaqa and digging up all the negatives. Seems a bit silly to do that if he's your only remaining teammate left alive and he allready had 4 votes on him.

Also, did you just decide to go through my iso and comment on all my posts now?

[Vecna]

Sigh.

I rolled female VT, knew that female roles were dangerous to Jack, and came up with what I thought would be a very interesting and effective strategy for me to leverage an early death into information.

I had now way of knowing ND would be strong-crumbing Sherlock and then get targeted by everyone and their mother, turning the entire thing into a clusterfuck. Then on Day 2, I wanted to see if any mafia members showed their hand, but I TBH haven't examined it too closely yet and it probably caused more confusion than insight...

Regardless of everything, I do find this plausible and believable

Yea but the point still stands, that the plan Chaqa made there is no way you think of that before he claimed, and he claimed pretty early, that means this is was an after-the-fact thing, thats what makes me believe Chaqa is scum, and then getting people to go on Vapor, and also defending rdrivera, it seems pretty clear to me what he's doing and thats defending his teammates

Im not saying Chaqa is 100% not team M, just that its more unlikely imo given recent events. I was pretty damn hot on him being on that team before, now im not so sure anymore.

Do note, its also fully possible for scum on the other team to just white knight people they think are probably town because theyre not as keen to recognize and properly attribute scummy behavior in their mindset.

[Vecna]

When someone says they have to "try to be town", that doesn't make your eyebrows go up? If you follow the whole conversation Mr.Likely avoids the situation and finally rephrases his statement on like the 3rd try. It was more about how he skirted around and deflected. We came to an understanding and I moved off

No I generally dont take what people say literally, I dont believe in "scumslips" and im a firm believer that people that push such things are much more often than not simply scum themselves.

So then why were you making such a big deal on Bob? It doesnt make sense, if you dont believe in scumslips, yet you think people who didnt go after Bob are scummy

This is not what I said at all.

[Chaqa]

I can’t be the only one who finds Flav extremely scummy right now

[Vecna]

The fact that Flav is reading and reacting as he goes, seems really towny to me. He’s putting in either a lot of effort or faking a lot of effort on arguments that are moot with new information he hasn’t gotten too yet.

I changed my mind.

##vote DemonRHK

I do this with every mafia game ever, stop using meta to determine people and look what I actually say, maybe then you'll see the things Im pushing actually make sense
#lynch chaqa
#lynch yavu
^^^^^^^after purple^^^^^^^^

Lol... so Flavius just quoted a post he HASNT GOTTEN TO YET, but is still catching up in His method?

Guess what... he slipped, because he's actually caught up and pretending.

Thats not how it works chaqa. Trust me, I use this method a lot and if you actually pay attention you see ill do that a ton as well lol.

You quote, reply, see the new page, see something interesting there adressing you, choose to respond to that, hit "back" twice and go back to catching up.

No slip there whatsoever.