MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[FlaviusAetius]

What does it matter if I was townleanimg them? If they are the only one left after eliminating all other candidates, then they become the most likely. New info -> new reads.

While I dont completely agree with -all- your reasoning for eliminations, I think the result could very well be accurate.

Neither BionicMole or DemonRHK ever voted for any of the team moriarty members. Im sure that applies to more people, but I think this is a pretty decent case of a lot of different sources of "evidence" lining up quite nicely with a bunch of reads.

In fact, id go so far that Bionic and DemonRHK spent their time voting pretty much only for lynch-baity people.

More assumptions. I have only voted for things that I feel odd or need to be addressed. I have avoided jumping on bandwagons and tried to stay true to what I think and not be influenced by outside forces. Day 1, I had it on Computer with every intention of changing it when new information came up. I wasn't around for the last part and even if I was, I wouldn't have voted for either Bob or Vapor because I didn't feel that strong about either one. Day 2 I wanted to see Chaqa flip because I could see this as some sort of anti-town ploy. Day 3 I started on Commander for some weird wording, got clarification then back on Chaqa for the same reasons as Day 2. I ended up on Yav because of a connection that was made between something he and Flav said that was very similar. I was not around for the EOD because of rl and missed when Tom claimed. His claim seems almost 99% believable (leaving 1% because anything can happen) so I would have most definitely put it on rdr.

This is only my second game. In the first one I was lynched as town on Day 2. I don't have the dozens of games of experience some of you have to compare how certain individuals act in certain situations or how to necessarily discern voting patterns yet but I am trying to find things that don't make sense to me while trying to avoid repeating/parroting what others say.

I would like to add while I'm thinking about it, some of you may rely too heavily on past game meta and it may cloud your current judgement and may be being used against you.

'i only vote for things and comment on things that people say that are odd'
COMPUTER_GENIUS DID NOT TALK DAY 1, WHAT WAS SUSPICIOUS ABOUT HIM?

[Chaqa]

I think attempting to find the last of Team Moriarty is tough, but if I had to pick one person it would be Flavius.

[FlaviusAetius]

Well now mafia know who not to kill since they’ll be lynched anyways.

Yep yep

You realise this is also a tactic, right? Can recall cases of town scumreading people they want to stay alive for that reason, as well as vice versa. Sometimes not even just at night, but continuously until mid/late game. Not all people post their actual reads and thoughts during the game, regardless of alignment lol

this is something that is manipulable both ways

We can discuss post-game if you'd like, to not clutter the thread :D

Not being honest about your reads puts me off very very much, schemes dont scream towny, they scream scummy, and can be double manipulable

[FlaviusAetius]

@Kit
You mention on p 119 that you read the game while ‘busy’ by reading the bot. Why do you do that instead of scan the game?

@Darg

If you must know, it’s a combination of two reasons and one more than the other.

1. I have scraps of time now and then to catch up on what I’ve missed but not to respond with properly thought out posts. I’ve seen enough people get tarred for showing up as actively viewing without posting (even though I feel this is a weak argument) that I’d prefer to avoid that for myself if possible.

2. I like the colours better and don’t get as confused about which person I don’t know except by reputation said what when everything they say is, for example, green.

See Kitsune I would believe you but everytime you post,, you talk about things that you wouldnt know unless you have been paying attention to this game, it makes no sense

[FlaviusAetius]

So I’m going to just throw this out there to the scumbos - I have two abilities that are useful in catching SK. I also understand they are somewhat useful in catching scumbos.

I propose a plan of working together to catch SK. One of the non-decimated scumteam outs and directs me who to vanilla scan tonight and who to track tomorrow night. That way you get two shots at catching SK (or tonight a town PR) since the other remaining mafia is goon.

Force SK to kill me tomorrow night to avoid being tracked and since I’m male it will help everyone

Scum should consider this... note as well that town is not likely to immediately lynch the revealed scum, we often hold a cleared scum in hand for later. So it wouldn't be instant suicide... OR maybe they should choose their goon to reveal themselves, so we can go ahead and lynch and get another female off the table.

I dont really think we need to worry about females, its overwhemlingly unlikely jack can even kill a female with his own hands, Im sure he isnt even thinking about it, and if it does happen it would be by accident. He also kills every other day, and I can gurantee you we will find him before he does that, stop focusing on the females.
But if scum want to kill Jack, I'm ok with that, but to do it for the females, just doesnt make sense, and I dont know why people keep bringing it up

[KalelChase]

Okay, Bob and RDR's buddy... Just looking at the votes.

BOB; Bozo (with no justification), Unvote (no justification), Vap (due to strong/nothing strong)... not much else here due to short time (21 posts of nothing)

RDR:
D1 (13posts) Vote Damo: Ironic since my weights showed them both the most scummy (Clearly wrong on one and right on the other).
N1 (2posts)
D2 (15 posts) Vote Chaq ('siding with ND' on the claim thing), Unvote, Frost (voted every counter wagon to bob)
Then Day 3 RDR with a flimsy Tom's wagon starting vote ("he is better then this as town.") and shortly there after joined by...

DemonRHK "I don't like some of the votes on the top wagons (Tom, bozo, Bionic) and I think Tom's posts have been hollow.
In addition, I think flipping this slot answers some D1 questions regarding Scum vs. unknown."

I'm going to keep digging around, but going to keep my vote on D-RHK for now.

Tomorrow morning I'm going to do an ISO on whoever ND, Bionic and Tom are voting for and see where the spreadsheet ranks them next to Demon.

ND-CmdrLikely
Bionic-UV
Tom-Flav

[FlaviusAetius]

Is this the way you usually read the game? It seems to me that it would take less time to read through the thread instead of clicking on the bot person by person and tracking down 'why did she say THAT' to understand full context.

You do know that you can read the thread using the bot in full and not just person by person, don't you?

I was just about to say.

Clicking on person by person sounds exhausting. Of course I don't do that, except in the heat of a particularly determined ISO.

I read through the thread end to end - it actually features less pages to click through than the forum thread, although I do need to click on the bulk quotes to see what people are referencing sometimes.

Wait so you read the entire forum, but you keep saying you have no time? How does this make sense?

[FlaviusAetius]

Which wagon do you count as fourth?

Chaqa

I keep flipflopping hard on that shit, and ive constantly flip-flopping hard on whether it makes sense to scumread him or not.

If we reduce him to Jack/other non-M scumteam, the odds are becoming better for him just being town I think. Theres a lot of thoughts floating around in my head on this.

Not long from now, the number of female VTs left will be very small. We should start thinking in terms of massclaim soon.

Ok no just no, I just made a big post to not worry about females, but now this is going to make us go on a mad hunt to find Jack, while mafia are fake claiming, way too big of a mess, lets keep track please and not risk the entire game

[yavuzovic]

Oh no, 13 pages. I will try to read as much as possible until 23.30.
Last I remember is Kitsune was really scummy.
ItsHosuke? It's likely that grave diggers didn't let Moriarty rest in peace, and scanned ItsH. Otherwise I don't know why would they kill a lurker.
These are probably already talked. Let me start the work. ⚕

[e.m.c^42]

Flav, when you're done catching up, your thoughts on RHK and Chaqa?

[FlaviusAetius]

##VOTE DemonRHK

because of what bozo found, plus he was my second candidate for last Moriarty.

Unless someone convinces me we should gun for the other team first.

what did bozo find? did I miss it?

[FlaviusAetius]

This was the hyde kill night right? Maybe this outside of the game person is just not keeping up and submitting kills?

They 100% are or Jamie and worcej would just get someone new to take up the role

[FlaviusAetius]

I'm terrible at mechs so won't bother trying to figure out why we didn't have more deaths

so someone, if they have explanation, please say? ;p

Also, anyone want to poke at RHK?

Well there's Jekyll heal, Watson heal, and commuter right?

Mhh. Is mafia NK factional or action taken by single player? ##CALL GM

If it's not factional, it's possible one NK has just been continuously roleblocked - especially since no-one has claimed since ND. The only reason for that (if it hasn't been withheld) would be if it hit scum, right?

No, they roleblocked ND Night one, that was what gave up Chaqa's ruse of being Jekyll and Hyde, since he did not mention it

[FlaviusAetius]

Our Illustrious Overlord, aka Jamie, told me that Hyde didn't kill. Why? I have no clue.

because your one in the same, something that he didnt do, is something you didnt do, right?
seems you've been roleblocked

[FlaviusAetius]

Our Illustrious Overlord, aka Jamie, told me that Hyde didn't kill. Why? I have no clue.

....huh. That is rather strange, Hyde's allowed to hold?

Lol there goes my tinfoil out

I have no idea, but I did not get a RB message this time.

then Hyde knows who jack is, thats not good

[purplecow]

I was pretty clear that we should of voted for yavu over Tom, but I’m p sure I would of voted for Tom too if I wasn’t catching up

I'm very happy that you aren't the one who chooses the target. Do you really think I'm a better lynch than mafia strongman?

what are you talking about? the strongman died, (bob) and actually half the people here wanted to kill your role slot(computer_genius) over bob, vapor or emc.

Uh Bob isn't the strongman????

Oh no, 13 pages. I will try to read as much as possible until 23.30.
Last I remember is Kitsune was really scummy.
ItsHosuke? It's likely that grave diggers didn't let Moriarty rest in peace, and scanned ItsH. Otherwise I don't know why would they kill a lurker.
These are probably already talked. Let me start the work. ⚕

Read this please.

If you obtain a NOTEBOOK, you will find out who the owner of that notebook investigated, and the results – obtaining a notebook does not give you the ability to scan, track or watch for yourself.

[FlaviusAetius]

So awesome news. In fact, I did play a patented Tom Bombadil gambit and did not Cop scan rivera N1. I vanilla/non-vanilla scanned him and got non-vanilla and figured he was scum.

That means that tonight I was able to cop scan and got a GUILTY result for purple cow!!

So either mafia or SK

##vote purple

[FlaviusAetius]

How do you mean Bozo feels off?

I agree he's playing differently to his usual style (hence my own scumlean on him), but I'd like to hear what you've discovered.

And...

What is Discovered Lynch Assurance?

Discovered Lynch is my play on a Discovered Check in chess. You place yourself on the wagon to prop it up, then bail on it to get your real target (The #2 wagon) Lynched, and I think he may have been trying to ensure (assurance) that came to pass.

As for bozo, he made a lot of posts D1 but not with a ton on content. He floated the idea of a town pr outting and being lynched D1.

His vote went from frost for self voting (on the notion he didn't wish to offend town) to doing that exact thing by parking on a missing player, going to vapor for less than 60 seconds before flipping back.

Going back further, what DemonRHK seemed to be claiming with this "Discovered Lynch" thing made no logical sense to me, because he seemed to imply I voted for Vapor temporarily to try to get Computer_Genius (or possibly BobMcBob) lynched, as if I could hope to accomplish that in less than a minute in the day, and as if I would want to do that as scum. I asked DemonRHK for clarification and he never responded.

I mean the tying of the vote did change people's opinions and had people go back to Bob, so its not that far off

[FlaviusAetius]

So awesome news. In fact, I did play a patented Tom Bombadil gambit and did not Cop scan rivera N1. I vanilla/non-vanilla scanned him and got non-vanilla and figured he was scum.

That means that tonight I was able to cop scan and got a GUILTY result for purple cow!!

So either mafia or SK

##VOTE purple

I guess 100% is better than 99% certainty.

I still prefer to lynch DemonRHK first to try to finish off the Moriarty team, purplecow can wait a day.

WAIT WHAT
We found a guranteed scum and you want to NOT lynch that scum? WHAT?

[yavuzovic]

Our Illustrious Overlord, aka Jamie, told me that Hyde didn't kill. Why? I have no clue.

....huh. That is rather strange, Hyde's allowed to hold?

Lol there goes my tinfoil out

I have no idea, but I did not get a RB message this time.

Maybe the evil spirit needed to be replaced We don't know who controls it and maybe it was him who didn't give an order.