MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

I stand behind my vote. Dargorygel is absent and voting me only because he doesn't think GM could have been careless.

"Have we ever known these GM s to be careless?

Got a little omgus going, yavu?"

Really? I'm not claiming them to be careless or clumsy. You should understand this better than everyone Dargo. You invited me to the game on Discord, I didn't accept because I was busy later I saw your invitation again when I had more time, so signed up for the subs list, again on Discord. Only in 2 days I was put in the game. And again, on Discord, GM informed me. It was possible to send a PM, but it was easier so they chose this. Now get off my wagon so I get off yours.

Although this is believable, the use of out of game information in concerning.

If it really was concerning and rules were broken, im pretty sure Jamiet being the person he is would have modkilled the slot instantly. So if you find it believable, why is it concerning?

Concerning in that there is no way to verify it, so it may not be true.

[bozotheclown]

I'm also going to tentatively exclude Kitsune because she voted for rivera when she had other options.

That only leaves BionicMole and DemonRHK as the most likely candidates to complete team Moriarty. These are the only two for which I could not find anything yet that would suggest they were not rivera's teammates.

Do you have evidence why we should exclude yourself?

[BionicMole]

Xorx, I had you down as Townleaning Bionic... Would be looking for confirmation/correction/explanation tomorrow.

What does it matter if I was townleanimg them? If they are the only one left after eliminating all other candidates, then they become the most likely. New info -> new reads.

While I dont completely agree with -all- your reasoning for eliminations, I think the result could very well be accurate.

Neither BionicMole or DemonRHK ever voted for any of the team moriarty members. Im sure that applies to more people, but I think this is a pretty decent case of a lot of different sources of "evidence" lining up quite nicely with a bunch of reads.

In fact, id go so far that Bionic and DemonRHK spent their time voting pretty much only for lynch-baity people.

More assumptions. I have only voted for things that I feel odd or need to be addressed. I have avoided jumping on bandwagons and tried to stay true to what I think and not be influenced by outside forces. Day 1, I had it on Computer with every intention of changing it when new information came up. I wasn't around for the last part and even if I was, I wouldn't have voted for either Bob or Vapor because I didn't feel that strong about either one. Day 2 I wanted to see Chaqa flip because I could see this as some sort of anti-town ploy. Day 3 I started on Commander for some weird wording, got clarification then back on Chaqa for the same reasons as Day 2. I ended up on Yav because of a connection that was made between something he and Flav said that was very similar. I was not around for the EOD because of rl and missed when Tom claimed. His claim seems almost 99% believable (leaving 1% because anything can happen) so I would have most definitely put it on rdr.

This is only my second game. In the first one I was lynched as town on Day 2. I don't have the dozens of games of experience some of you have to compare how certain individuals act in certain situations or how to necessarily discern voting patterns yet but I am trying to find things that don't make sense to me while trying to avoid repeating/parroting what others say.

I would like to add while I'm thinking about it, some of you may rely too heavily on past game meta and it may cloud your current judgement and may be being used against you.

[e.m.c^42]

Bionic I think may be just new, dunno - perhaps am missing something, but he seems on the townier side of the noob lurkers.

[e.m.c^42]

RHK, on the other hand

he's like Dargo except without attempts at a comeback so far lmao.

Don't like it very much.

[BionicMole]

This is just classic scumdumpster reasoning for scumreading someone. Having to look at the literal words and trying to paint them scummy.

Prime candidate for the second scumteam.

When someone says they have to "try to be town", that doesn't make your eyebrows go up? If you follow the whole conversation Mr.Likely avoids the situation and finally rephrases his statement on like the 3rd try. It was more about how he skirted around and deflected. We came to an understanding and I moved off

I see your point, bionic. It is not necessarily AI, but it is at the least an odd phrasing. What else scummy do you find about him?

Nothing bigger than this conversation. I just re-read it and it really is wishy washy and inconsistent, like he is trying to intentionally mislead.

[e.m.c^42]

Well now mafia know who not to kill since they’ll be lynched anyways.

Yep yep

You realise this is also a tactic, right? Can recall cases of town scumreading people they want to stay alive for that reason, as well as vice versa. Sometimes not even just at night, but continuously until mid/late game. Not all people post their actual reads and thoughts during the game, regardless of alignment lol

this is something that is manipulable both ways

We can discuss post-game if you'd like, to not clutter the thread :D

[e.m.c^42]

If it wasn't Flav I'd find the logic of getting town to be silent at night rather scummy lmao

[e.m.c^42]

so tl;dr to vec dear's post,

RHK feels more scummy than Bionic for the same action due to experience factor and self awareness.

Also, there is kind of impression that he had not expected Frost wagon to actually grow lol

The opening salvo was, iirc, on the weaker side. Purposeful placeholder for discussion advancement, but not a finale "I have a strong read" type. Am not particularly familiar with his play, though.

[e.m.c^42]

Bionic's self aware/conscious play and the occasional over-explanation is reminiscent to me in tone of my first few games. Am weaker towards this type of playstyle, absolutely. But the deliberate effort to stay away from trusting too much in other opinions and going with personal, albeit rather shallow (but do suppose surface level is expected, in this case) scumreads seems more new!town than new!scum play. Especially since it seems more likely for him to be coached differently if in scum chat, lmao

but last point is more wifom, so meh ignore it for most part.

tl;dr focus on first three sentences

[e.m.c^42]

I have discovered this game a great love for the tl;dr, in the hopes of being more intelligible in rambling

[KalelChase]

Okay, want to get a vote in just in case on a busy day, but has to be justified.
Did full game ISO on top 3...

##Vote CmdrLikely

And here's why (admittedly many of these only hold weight in context after knowing identities)....

D1
Pg7 - Shitty icebreaker (according to ND... more below)
Pg21 - Vote Computer_Genius due to low posting, but only posted 4 times themselves
Pg26 - Stayed on C.G. seemed to be protecting Bob, with efforts to align/pocket ND
D2
Pg44 Suspicious of Frostwind
Pg52 - Kill ND and Chaqa and town will be sitting pretty.
Pg64 - Argument with Flav and Xorx, very adamantly stating ND is town liability.
Pg82 - The infamous "I was trying my best to be town"
Pg99 - ND votes purple, response, "LOL, are you sure?" (He's clearly sparing with ND who is the closest thing to a town clear we have).
Page 102 - Voting Flav because he's voting Yav (well several others are voting Yav too). Then turns around and questions Yav?

Between these items and the fact that I town-lean Xorx and Bionic after ISOing them here's my vote.

UGh, I find myself skipping these posts most of the time, but maybe I really should start reading them. What a load of horseshit. Why dont you tell us why you townread Bionic? (or point me towards the wall that contains that reasoning).

Did this for Bunny, who despite being the top poster put a lot of signal into his noise... something you're not really doing right now.

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[Tom Bombadil]

So I’m going to just throw this out there to the scumbos - I have two abilities that are useful in catching SK. I also understand they are somewhat useful in catching scumbos.

I propose a plan of working together to catch SK. One of the non-decimated scumteam outs and directs me who to vanilla scan tonight and who to track tomorrow night. That way you get two shots at catching SK (or tonight a town PR) since the other remaining mafia is goon.

Force SK to kill me tomorrow night to avoid being tracked and since I’m male it will help everyone

[e.m.c^42]

So I’m going to just throw this out there to the scumbos - I have two abilities that are useful in catching SK. I also understand they are somewhat useful in catching scumbos.

I propose a plan of working together to catch SK. One of the non-decimated scumteam outs and directs me who to vanilla scan tonight and who to track tomorrow night. That way you get two shots at catching SK (or tonight a town PR) since the other remaining mafia is goon.

Force SK to kill me tomorrow night to avoid being tracked and since I’m male it will help everyone

Oh, this looks fun. Maf team can even steal after you die to double check against lying as well, lmao

[DemonRHK]

So I missed EoD and had raid last night. My bad.

Tom, sorry I ended the day on you. If I was actually here I would not have.

At this time, I want to ask what people think of those on all three lynches:
Kalel and Purple. Also, EMC and xorx on both scum lynches.

Normally this would all be towny as fuck, but in multimafia it could still very likely be team2.

[e.m.c^42]

So I missed EoD and had raid last night. My bad.

Tom, sorry I ended the day on you. If I was actually here I would not have.

At this time, I want to ask what people think of those on all three lynches:
Kalel and Purple. Also, EMC and xorx on both scum lynches.

Normally this would all be towny as fuck, but in multimafia it could still very likely be team2.

Are you asking of what we think about a Kalel/Purple lynch or are you asking of what they think about the lynches that happened? :D

[purplecow]

So I missed EoD and had raid last night. My bad.

Tom, sorry I ended the day on you. If I was actually here I would not have.

At this time, I want to ask what people think of those on all three lynches:
Kalel and Purple. Also, EMC and xorx on both scum lynches.

Normally this would all be towny as fuck, but in multimafia it could still very likely be team2.

Are you asking of what we think about a Kalel/Purple lynch or are you asking of what they think about the lynches that happened? :D

I think demon means me and Kalel voted for Bob, frost, and rivera.
So demon want to know what people think of us doing that.

[xorxes]

So I missed EoD and had raid last night. My bad.

Tom, sorry I ended the day on you. If I was actually here I would not have.

At this time, I want to ask what people think of those on all three lynches:
Kalel and Purple. Also, EMC and xorx on both scum lynches.

Normally this would all be towny as fuck, but in multimafia it could still very likely be team2.

9 of the 11 people who ended on rivera voted after Tom claimed. Do you really believe those votes tell you anything about alignment?

The other two were Tom and Kalel. Those two are probably not team Moriarty.

Look at the votes before the claim if you want to do a meaningful analysis. Did you not think of that?

[Jamiet99uk]

GM NOTE

Just a shade under three hours remain in Night Three.
I have not noticed any public GM calls during this phase. If I missed any, do let me know.

[Kitsune]

@Kit
You mention on p 119 that you read the game while ‘busy’ by reading the bot. Why do you do that instead of scan the game?

@Darg

If you must know, it’s a combination of two reasons and one more than the other.

1. I have scraps of time now and then to catch up on what I’ve missed but not to respond with properly thought out posts. I’ve seen enough people get tarred for showing up as actively viewing without posting (even though I feel this is a weak argument) that I’d prefer to avoid that for myself if possible.

2. I like the colours better and don’t get as confused about which person I don’t know except by reputation said what when everything they say is, for example, green.