MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[Vecna]

Maybe he wants to negotiate. If he is in the Moriarty band, we join forces with them to find the other team.

What a totally weird thing to say when there were still 2 of those member

You think I was being serious? I need to polish my literary arts.

hah, ok I see what you did there now

[dargorygel]

I didn't say one word about Frost. In fact, I never jumped on the wagon and didn't understand why it was so huge.

I asked YOU why you have to TRY to be town. Then you deflect and attempt to muddy the waters further. This isn't a great look and worthy of getting my vote for now

##Vote Commander

This is just classic scumdumpster reasoning for scumreading someone. Having to look at the literal words and trying to paint them scummy.

Prime candidate for the second scumteam.

When someone says they have to "try to be town", that doesn't make your eyebrows go up? If you follow the whole conversation Mr.Likely avoids the situation and finally rephrases his statement on like the 3rd try. It was more about how he skirted around and deflected. We came to an understanding and I moved off

I see your point, bionic. It is not necessarily AI, but it is at the least an odd phrasing. What else scummy do you find about him?

[dargorygel]

Neither BunnyGo or damo stated any strong scum reads recently, I do not see a reason why they would have been targeted based on their reads. BunnyGo did move his vote around a lot D2, he likely was voting for a scum at some point. I could see that post by damo being interpreted as a cop crumb.

More of this fluffy theorizing why people would have been killed. High scum potential

I was looking at bozo this morning. He did a very bozo-type mechanics-oriented super plan regarding the value of Jek claiming. He received the usual pressure against it. And then when chaqa DID claim, bozo lost the wind from his sails. Since then he hasn't come up with a new bozo-type mechanics-oriented super plan.

I find that unusual.

[Vecna]

Vecna is looking better, hmm

I actually kinda want both him and xorx to be scummy enough to be almost lynched but not quite, so we can see how their endgame play is, regardless of alignment. Have never seen it

lmfao

Sadly, I doubt its ever going to happen again on this website.

Just look at the general consensus after only 2 two successful kills weren't aimed at the two of us.

@Xorxes - who do you think is gonna eat a bullet first?

[dargorygel]

Vecna is looking better, hmm

I actually kinda want both him and xorx to be scummy enough to be almost lynched but not quite, so we can see how their endgame play is, regardless of alignment. Have never seen it

lmfao

Sadly, I doubt its ever going to happen again on this website.

Just look at the general consensus after only 2 two successful kills weren't aimed at the two of us.

@Xorxes - who do you think is gonna eat a bullet first?

I dunno... I don't mind having the Big Brains around longer. Even if they are scum. I agree with emc.

Maybe we are entering a new era. Both last game and this one. A trend?

[Vecna]

I didn't say one word about Frost. In fact, I never jumped on the wagon and didn't understand why it was so huge.

I asked YOU why you have to TRY to be town. Then you deflect and attempt to muddy the waters further. This isn't a great look and worthy of getting my vote for now

##Vote Commander

This is just classic scumdumpster reasoning for scumreading someone. Having to look at the literal words and trying to paint them scummy.

Prime candidate for the second scumteam.

When someone says they have to "try to be town", that doesn't make your eyebrows go up? If you follow the whole conversation Mr.Likely avoids the situation and finally rephrases his statement on like the 3rd try. It was more about how he skirted around and deflected. We came to an understanding and I moved off

No I generally dont take what people say literally, I dont believe in "scumslips" and im a firm believer that people that push such things are much more often than not simply scum themselves.

[yavuzovic]

I also cant fathom why scum would actually talk about that in the main thread. Even Yavuz as scum isnt nearly that obvious. Bad reasoning Xorxy

I would like to remind you that I won my last game (M46) as a scum. And I even remember that I was determinant on the lynch final.

[BionicMole]

If we assume scum would avoid ending up on the same wagon, BionicMole is the most likley, because Demon voted together with rivera D2 and D3.

I tried to follow how you got to this and along the way you dismiss some people arbitrarily and make many assumptions.

[BionicMole]

We have the ability to eliminate ND as soon as he is dangerous enough. Move off that option. I'm still thinking of who can be an alternative lynch.

Nope. The longer he lives, the more valuable he becomes. Were not taking him out so scum better man up if they want him gone.

I agree with this, the longer the game goes the more valuable he becomes.

[Vecna]

Neither BunnyGo or damo stated any strong scum reads recently, I do not see a reason why they would have been targeted based on their reads. BunnyGo did move his vote around a lot D2, he likely was voting for a scum at some point. I could see that post by damo being interpreted as a cop crumb.

More of this fluffy theorizing why people would have been killed. High scum potential

I was looking at bozo this morning. He did a very bozo-type mechanics-oriented super plan regarding the value of Jek claiming. He received the usual pressure against it. And then when chaqa DID claim, bozo lost the wind from his sails. Since then he hasn't come up with a new bozo-type mechanics-oriented super plan.

I find that unusual.

Yeah Bozo is definitely extremely uncharacteristically not-present this game. I dont remember a single annoying thing he's been trying to get through someway or another.

[dargorygel]

I also discarded this tinfoil theory:
Tom and Yavu are teamies. Tom saw Yavu's likely lynchable end. Tom decided to throw himself under the bus to save yavu, and GUESSED correctly about rdr's role.

See why I threw it out? but...

[dargorygel]

More of this fluffy theorizing why people would have been killed. High scum potential

I was looking at bozo this morning. He did a very bozo-type mechanics-oriented super plan regarding the value of Jek claiming. He received the usual pressure against it. And then when chaqa DID claim, bozo lost the wind from his sails. Since then he hasn't come up with a new bozo-type mechanics-oriented super plan.

I find that unusual.

Yeah Bozo is definitely extremely uncharacteristically not-present this game. I dont remember a single annoying thing he's been trying to get through someway or another.

... other than the intial 'Jek Claim.' But apparently chaqa agreed it was a good idea

[Vecna]

Vecna is looking better, hmm

I actually kinda want both him and xorx to be scummy enough to be almost lynched but not quite, so we can see how their endgame play is, regardless of alignment. Have never seen it

lmfao

Sadly, I doubt its ever going to happen again on this website.

Just look at the general consensus after only 2 two successful kills weren't aimed at the two of us.

@Xorxes - who do you think is gonna eat a bullet first?

I dunno... I don't mind having the Big Brains around longer. Even if they are scum. I agree with emc.

Maybe we are entering a new era. Both last game and this one. A trend?

Last game I was actively lurking though, until the moment I figured id just claimed. When im actively trying to gamesolve I never survive for long.

[yavuzovic]

I also discarded this tinfoil theory:
Tom and Yavu are teamies. Tom saw Yavu's likely lynchable end. Tom decided to throw himself under the bus to save yavu, and GUESSED correctly about rdr's role.

See why I threw it out? but...

Why does Tom do that, in this scenario?
I admit he's better than me. I would probably try to make something to frame an innocent up before I die which serves best to my team.
Even if that is the case, I'm still not proved town. Tom risked for a night? Doesn't sound likely. Also, as far as I remember, Tom is the first person making a case about me.

[yavuzovic]

Ah you discarded. I'm sorry

[FlaviusAetius]

Talking at night has the same risks as talking during the day? What am I missing?

Mafia can talk and respond in real time coming up with a coordinated strategy let them make the NKs on outdated information, their plans on outdated information do not give them time to figure out a plan with your current reads and arguments

[FlaviusAetius]

It's dumb, post your reads, your cases, talk about your cat or your favorite pint. I don't know what kind of weirdo logic it is not to make use of a phase to scumhunt. It's actually anti-town not to make use of a phase. People need to get their reads out. The mafia already have their qts so not talking actually puts us at a disadvantage because they can already talk.

They can’t talk during the day, only the night, you can get your arguments out at EoN in case you die but to have full blown conversations or to do that before? Well now mafia know who not to kill since they’ll be lynched anyways. Or mafia will start creating the arguments, and if they get pressured they run to their team to find out the perfect response, so much can go so wrong, why risk it?

[bozotheclown]

It's dumb, post your reads, your cases, talk about your cat or your favorite pint. I don't know what kind of weirdo logic it is not to make use of a phase to scumhunt. It's actually anti-town not to make use of a phase. People need to get their reads out. The mafia already have their qts so not talking actually puts us at a disadvantage because they can already talk.

They can’t talk during the day, only the night, you can get your arguments out at EoN in case you die but to have full blown conversations or to do that before? Well now mafia know who not to kill since they’ll be lynched anyways. Or mafia will start creating the arguments, and if they get pressured they run to their team to find out the perfect response, so much can go so wrong, why risk it?

I think you are correct in theory, everything being said could wait until D4 or EON in order to not provide additional information to mafia for the NK, and tonight we have 3 factions aiming for town. However, I am not sure why you are pushing for town not to talk so strongly tonight when you did not seem concerned about it N1.

[Chaqa]

I'm liking Vecna more now, and xorx as well.

If I had to wager right now on the other scum, it would be in the group of Kitsune, EMC, Dargo, Flavius, Bionic, Purplecow. Jack is harder to pin down.

I think Kitsune should be our next lynch, tbh, for the Tom/RDR stuff. Unless Tom gets information that otherwise helps us.

[bozotheclown]

I was looking at bozo this morning. He did a very bozo-type mechanics-oriented super plan regarding the value of Jek claiming. He received the usual pressure against it. And then when chaqa DID claim, bozo lost the wind from his sails. Since then he hasn't come up with a new bozo-type mechanics-oriented super plan.

I find that unusual.

Yeah Bozo is definitely extremely uncharacteristically not-present this game. I dont remember a single annoying thing he's been trying to get through someway or another.

... other than the intial 'Jek Claim.' But apparently chaqa agreed it was a good idea

I said we should consider Jekyll claiming D1 to lynch him to prevent a Hyde NK N1, as well as future Hyde NKs. Since we lynched mafia D1 and Hyde's NK failed N1, it worked out better that we did not lynch Jekyll D1, but it could easily have gone in the opposite direction.