MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[Tom Bombadil]

Are you town Bunny?? I just don’t know what to make of you. My heart says town. My brain says town. But my gut says something is fishy about you

[e.m.c^42]

Kalel, if you're still around, are you willing to provide more context behind your thoughts? For example, it's all and well to state "+1" for good participation or "-1" for noise or changing votes.

But that's near useless to many of us, unfortunately :P

As much as I'd like to profess mind reading capabilities, or extreme empathy and deduction skills, those are both lacking on my part. We can make all the assumptions we want, but that's all they are, in terms of "What do you think?". I'm no shining paragon in this regard either lol

Like, what do you mean by "good participation"? Why is it "good", compared to "bad". Why is something "intelligent". Is it due to considering a new point that is more likely to be town-motivated than scum? Is it due to bringing an incisive look to a loud and messy situation? And why do you consider it to be "-" or "+"?

Perhaps am just being slow on uptakes here, but really would appreciate it if you could elaborate :D

(Bungo I'm still typing up thoughts on xorx lmao, a lil' bit more time)

[e.m.c^42]

And Kalel, lack of elaboration is what I am suffering from greatly in own posts as well lol

Also, microfiction was nice :D

Continuations? Snippets?

[e.m.c^42]

Are you town Bunny?? I just don’t know what to make of you. My heart says town. My brain says town. But my gut says something is fishy about you

#showmeyourdaggerskillsbun

...envision it said with an eyebrow, please.

But I think he's probably town. Or at least, town enough to be not a concern until later in game.

[BunnyGo]

Are you town Bunny?? I just don’t know what to make of you. My heart says town. My brain says town. But my gut says something is fishy about you

I mean, I'm not going to answer that; that would be telling. But I sure did get lynched as town in my first game (49) for playing similarly to this. I learned then not to claim. I also learned to crumb better than I did then (anyone remember me spelling TOWN with the first letters of my random sentences? How useful was that?!)

There sure is something fishy about me, but it is just that I'm really clever, and really dumb at the same time. And it comes up in weird ways.

Also, I'm not really good at any of this, but I'm really good at pointing out when people are being stupid; so it seems like I'm good at deducing things.

But mostly...I don't know how the hell town are supposed to win this game. We've gained a *HUGE* respite because of ND. And we (well, the rest of town, I didn't really help with that) got Moriarty day 1. We're still behind, IMHO.

Now, how about you? Are you town??

[e.m.c^42]

I need a nick for Bungo

how 'bout hunbun

[BunnyGo]

Are you town Bunny?? I just don’t know what to make of you. My heart says town. My brain says town. But my gut says something is fishy about you

#showmeyourdaggerskillsbun

...envision it said with an eyebrow, please.

But I think he's probably town. Or at least, town enough to be not a concern until later in game.

Dagger skills?

[BunnyGo]

I need a nick for Bungo

how 'bout hunbun

Bunny isn't enough of a nick?

DumbBun works...

[BunnyGo]

(Bungo I'm still typing up thoughts on xorx lmao, a lil' bit more time)

No worries, I keep getting stuck when trying it too. Xorxes is hard. Last game I only ID'd him when I was drunk and picked up on something ephemeral. No analysis was able to pick up on that except he kept dropping logical possibilities (which seemed unlike him)

[e.m.c^42]

Are you town Bunny?? I just don’t know what to make of you. My heart says town. My brain says town. But my gut says something is fishy about you

#showmeyourdaggerskillsbun

...envision it said with an eyebrow, please.

But I think he's probably town. Or at least, town enough to be not a concern until later in game.

Dagger skills?

Oh yes. I'm sure if you were the one that had the mighty weapon, it would be hefted with great ability to penetrate the soft body of mine or some other. Please be gentle, hunbun ;p

(to the actual jack, don't you fucking dare stab me lmao, I still need to mspaint battle vecna)

[e.m.c^42]

My wall is reaching paragraphs.

hm

it may need sprucing up with bolds and italics to keep attentions.

[e.m.c^42]

My wall is reaching paragraphs.

hm

it may need sprucing up with bolds and italics to keep attentions.

nevermind, this wall gon be in berlin and chunked up in pieces after all

[e.m.c^42]

To be clear - do believe myself currently to be absolutely suffering from confbias and inability to change mind after initial impressions, on xorx. There is a lot driven from gut feeling without merit, and am likely misguided as well as predisposed. Doesn't invalidate what I pick at though, intentions otherwise notwithstanding.

[e.m.c^42]

but

I feel like I'm restating what others said in-thread already lmao

he's not spicy, or even being lynch-advocator. Look at that vote on Frost, and that last minute voting switch on Day One. Being indecisive and overall an insecure person is my thing. Not deciding on an actual vote or read until the last 20-30 minutes of EOD is my thing.

It's the niche I play and therefore am most familiar with - which makes it all the stranger to see the skin on someone else, who typically cannot or is not willing to pull it off.

And xorx is not the completely the only one I'm referring to here. Vecna to a point as well, albeit a lil' bit less. Just a little. Some others but they don't matter as much in this context so getting snipped to another post, lol.

This is a point I've brought up and rather repeatedly posted, but without elaboration or context. So here it is:

[e.m.c^42]

Typically in games with the older regiment we have at least one out of them that takes up one of lead mantles, regardless of actual alignment and intention. For this particular game, I'd put it down as [xorxes, vecna] ([bozo, damo, ND, rivera] + Tom) [chaqa, dargo, RHK], off the top of my head.

So one out of each category, but particular attention upon the first, which is what I'll be referring to.

It's a place we, as a community, have pretty much shoved these players into. Consequently, these players end up being unfortunately fearkilled off early on, either due to being a perceived threat to scum as town, or living too long to not be scum. In recent games, there has been I suspect good amounts of deliberate downplaying and stylistic evolution to prevent said early demises.

[e.m.c^42]

Therefore, it was not particularly concerning when on Day 1, it was majority of flailing and lying down low from the both of them. It was actually expected, tbh. I mean, you play the game since you want to, y'know, actually play. Not just die after a few days of shitposting. There was also the fact that the setup has two scumteams, which would raise the odds of death - as a scum challenging scum point as well.

To be more specific about actions referred to, xorxes vote reason backings, vote twitching, doing mechs, and not pushing a wagon. Vecna's pre-determined (and mostly genuine) absence, "cuno-speak", and playing along with ND's bait.

The concern shows up when we are no longer quite in the early days of the game anymore, and there has not been marked improvement, more so in xorx than vecna (he will get own wall, so this'll be just about xorx :D)

[e.m.c^42]

Day 2. The majority of the first half of day, personally was absent, but it got taken up by ND/Chaqa ploys 'n plays, while various players poked at both. After it mostly calmed down, no significant wagon competitions formed, asides from Frost (who moved to second and lead, almost a full RL day before EOD ingame iirc). Nothing else was formed or pushed hard enough for consolidation.

Where are the scumreads?

More exactly. Where are xorx's scumreads? For that matter, where are his townreads? For scumreads, we get like what - Vapor due to strange wording (possible 'slip'), Flav due to his posting style, Bunny due to strange wording (possible 'slip'), Tem for his fishy post, and maybe rivera due to personal bias? And these are "reads" in the same sense of my own reads.

Of course, it's absolutely believable that it's just that we all don't have very strong reads, due to setup throwing off usual scumhunting tactics. Not to mention, we have an inane number of lurkers, who we simply can't do much about.

Understandable lmao. It's messing with anyone who actually has a actual methodology of hunting for scum, rather than reading off of flighty fancy. I believe I am overreacting, looking at xorxes.

But from any standard, those reads are subpar. Subpar for his usual performance as either scum or town, and subpar compared to other players, even.

[e.m.c^42]

Xorxes is not someone who usually will go "Oh god, wording slip, SCUM!". Again, that's one of the skins belonging to scum!Jamie. So why was that the basis of the majority of his scumreads on Day 2?

And here's the thing. He's well self-aware enough to realise that this would come off as scummy, as well as the fact that he has little to no townreads, when he usually has them rather explicitly stated by this time. He also is not the type of person to play meta-switching wifom games like that, by getting towncred from getting scumread.

So as scum, you'd be damn certain he'd try to make himself seem useful, most likely by focusing on one of his stronger and NAI suits, mechs, as it requires the least amount of deception. He's pretty good at them, it's like bozo with a more consistent focus and analysis result lmao. It's not unusual or out-of-left-field to expect a genius scheme that wins the game. this has nothing to do with reads and more to do with being a fan who likes spewing awe, so ignore it lol

[e.m.c^42]

And these are "reads" in the same sense of my own reads.

To elaborate on this, forgot to type the rest. "Reads" as in that it was implied or otherwise stated subtly, through commenting on the actions or questioning. Not much explicitly stated.

[KalelChase]

Don’t like that recap reads list from Kalel

THIS!

Can either of you be more specific? The more posts there are the harder it is to do it all in one shot.