MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[Tom Bombadil]

I have no read on emc. I have no read on Temasek. (As an example). Probability says tem is a better lynch than emc

[damo666]

From a town pov the best lynch based purely on odds is Chaqa since we 'know' he isn't town pr.

[damo666]

Am I the only one looking at the D1 vote??

Bunny and Kit moved off Bob although Kit was only on momentarily. Purple and I also moved off but both moved back.

[Chaqa]

From a town pov the best lynch based purely on odds is Chaqa since we 'know' he isn't town pr.

This is true, hence why I've often said I'm not a bad lynch (among other reasons).

[FlaviusAetius]

I mean that is something you all have to weigh if you think a day save outweighs the role removing a player every odd night so be it. I'll do the best I can to save people. But, 3 death's a night is going to stack up. That has to be mitigated somehow. The town can't sustain those losses for long before we become the minority (assuming the town takes the bulk of the deaths). It's certainly possible that Jack/Hyde kill within the mafia groups as well.

I think it's very risky to keep the role in play personally. If things go wrong (mislynches, Hyde/Jack/Mafia getting fortunate on their kills and hitting PRs and not each other, a whole bunch of factors) then town is going to run out of breathing room real quick. Then it's going to be too late. Better to remove it early and just take it out of the equation. That's my opinion on it. That was my assessment when I got the role and went through with my opening.

This game relies on scum and jack hitting each other, and hyde too, if that doesnt happen then we won't win, we need to assume it will and if one town dies versus one scum dies, that one scum dying is worth a lot more than one town

[FlaviusAetius]

Also you will still have your save, so theres that too

[purplecow]

Oh, one last thing:

Some scum leans of mine from day 1 that haven't been cleared up one way or the other (feel free to pick up my BunnyBaton (TM) and run with them)

1) PurpleCow -- I don't like him...I think he's scummy noob

Some example of something scummy?

I would like to know this too so I may be able to defend myself.

[purplecow]

I don't think we should vote Chaqa yet but I don't how they and frost play.

[Vecna]

Rivera shaded Bob(scum) but found a way not to vote him

Didnt emc do the exact same though?

[Vecna]

EMC was the one to shade the bob wagon quite badly, untill it became apparent that Vapour was the only other option.

Something to keep in mind for the future, since it might have significance.

[Tom Bombadil]

EMC was the one to shade the bob wagon quite badly, untill it became apparent that Vapour was the only other option.

Something to keep in mind for the future, since it might have significance.

Yes. He townread both wagons. And yet he voted for the scum at a pivotal time. He could have voted either and had an out saying he didn't like either wagon. Instead he lynched scum.

[Vecna]

Its not like we have the luxury of knowing your alignment for us to know he wasn't protecting a teammate on the other team though

[Jamiet99uk]

Vote Count 2.6

frostwind(7) - DemonRHK, damo666, dargorygel, rdrivera2005, ItsHosuke, Temasek22, KalelChase.
Chaqa(7) - Vecna, Kitsune, bozotheclown, xorxes, frostwind, ND.
E.m.c^42(2) - BunnyGo, Chaqa
Bo_sox48(1) - FlaviusAetius
rdrivera2005(1) - Tom Bombadil

Unvoted: Chaqa, Purplecow, BionicMole

NOBODY is scheduled to be lynched.

7 hours and 50 minutes remain in Day Two.

##GM: I voted for EMC.

Sorry Chaqa, for some reason I had you listed as voting for EMC, but failed to scratch your name from the "unvote" list. I acknowledge that you have voted.

[rdrivera2005]

##vote rdrivera

I think Vecna saying Rivera would bus as scum is not taking the setup into account. If rivera and Bob are on the same scum tram as I suspect, I think rivera would protect there given the small teams make it difficult to justify bussing.

I think xorx did not pile on when the lynch was already decided, so I don’t think saying is was just a vote for show is correct.

I don’t like voting emc here either as he was instrumental in lynching Bob. Granted he could be on the other scum team so that carries less weight than normal, but I’m open to waiting on him rather than lynching now

I find really odd you focusing so much on me and giving Xorxes a free pass when we did more or less the same thing: agree that Bob was scummy (and he really was) but didn't vote him to avoid a runaway wagon. It was more then 4 hours before EOD. I would probably have voted him at EOD because I didn't scumread Vapor but RL entered in the way and I just can't use the phone.

I also don't like the emc wagon. I don't believe he is on Moriarty team considering his vote and this lower his chances to be scum by 2/5. And the Vecna 3p reasoning is weak IMHO.

And I will miss EOD again today, sorry.

[Tom Bombadil]

I wouldn’t say I’m giving xorxes a pass. He’s just easy to read as scum, so I would never focus on him early. Xorxes typically sorts himself out. You are tougher to read

[ND]

-snip-
Why save yourself if you wanted to die? Why make us waste a lynch?

That's a fair critique. I probably shouldn't have doc saved myself. But, it's done now.

[ND]

Frost is a decent wagon. I don't have an issue with it.

[rdrivera2005]

I wouldn’t say I’m giving xorxes a pass. He’s just easy to read as scum, so I would never focus on him early. Xorxes typically sorts himself out. You are tougher to read

I don't agree. I lost a game to scum Xorxes on lylo (it was with Brain, but Xorxes went to lylo as scum).

[Jamiet99uk]

Vote Count Two-Point-Six

frostwind(7) DemonRHK, damo666, dargorygel, rdrivera2005, ItsHosuke, Temasek22, KalelChase.
Chaqa(7) - Vecna, Kitsune, bozotheclown, xorxes, frostwind, CmdrLikely, ND.
e.m.c^42(2) - BunnyGo, Chaqa.
bo_sox48(1) - FlaviusAetius
rdrivera2005(1) - Tom Bombadil

Unvoted: Purplecow, BionicMole

NOBODY is set for the hangman.

Four hours and 37 minutes remain.

Purplecow, BionicMole, Bo_Sox, and e.m.c. MUST cast a valid vote by the end of the phase.

[BunnyGo]

Frost is a decent wagon. I don't have an issue with it.

And I think the same is true of the Chaq wagon. Seems EMC won’t be starting today and Tom does make a reasonable point. I may miss EOD so I’m sticking with my Frost ISO (and his non-response)

##VOTE FROST