MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

@ND - I didn’t mean to say Hyde couldn’t kill untilN3. If you go back, I comment that I omitted an “again” accidentally.

As I said - lynch me. It’s honestly pro-town.

[bozotheclown]

yeah your counter to what I said about the potential that this is VT Chaqa really is strong @Xorxes

I guess, and perhaps it is noteworthy to mention even in my longer post above, I have trouble articulating or even conceiving why a scum would do this though. If he is scum, he had to know that Jekyll wasn't going to make it long. Why choose that role to fake claim? Why put yourself in a position where the real Jekyll would counter pretty much guaranteed by end of day #3. Then when that does happen (me) he drops the CC? I guess, a possible answer is he is on Moriarity's team and he knows that if he continued the CC whether or not he got lynched first or I did that he was going to die and his team would then be at 1/3. Maybe he thought the best play was to backtrack and attempt to preserve his life to maintain his team's chance at success?

I agree Chaqa's claim D1 looks more like a VT play than a scum play, but I would have expected him to retract as soon as you claimed. His retracting only after it was clear he was going to lose the CC battle leaves me skeptical.

[Vecna]

A summary of where I am, as much for myself as anyone else

1. damo Town
2. e.m.c ? edging towards non-Town
3. bozo ?
4. dargorygel townlean
5. xorxes townlean
6. Computer_Genius [bo] null
7. Chaqa VT
8. rdrivera2005 null
9. BunnyGo townlean
10. Vecna ?
11. Temasek22 ?
12. ND DrJ
13. frostwind scum
14. BionicMole ?
15. Hosuke ? (very quiet)
16. Kitsune townlean
17. DemRHK townlean
18. purplecow ?
19. FlaviusAetius probtown but hmmm
20. CmdrLikely ?
21. Vaporwave [Tom] ?
22. BobMcBob deadSCUM
23. KalelChase ?

Damn, what a weakass readslist.

Why are you leaning town on Xorxes?

How come you have no opinion on me while youre normally extremely opinionated about me?

Why is Rdrivera a null and not a ?

[bozotheclown]

I believe you mean why I'm voting ND today then Chaqa tomorrow opposed to the other way around? Because ND is annoying, that's why. Otherwise I don't feel the order is a big deal in the grand scheme of things. If we fail to lynch one of them in the next two nights, then we are screwing ourselves, otherwise we come out ahead. Both ND and Chaqa gave the arguments why they both should be lynched, and yes I'm just agreeing, not adding anything.

Eliminating a town doc save today when Hyde will not be active tonight makes zero sense. Also, ND has stopped his annoying persona after his claim, and in any case lynching town because they're annoying is not pro-town.

Neither ND or Chaqa are town! They are town-liabilities. It's pedantic, but I want to clarify I'm not saying lynch ND "because he's annoying". I'm just prioritizing abitrarily. Maybe that does look not pro-town. I'm totally fine switching it.

##vote Chaqa

I get the feeling you did not see that Chaqa has retracted his Jekyll claim, so now ND is unCCed Jekyll, and the question is if Chaqa fake claimed as mafia or fake claimed as town.

[BunnyGo]

Vote Count 2.5

Chaqa(9) - Vecna, Tom Bombadil, Temasek22, Kitsune, bozotheclown, xorxes, frostwind, CmdrLikely, BionicMole

frostwind(4) - DemonRHK, damo666, dargorygel, rdrivera2005

bo_sox48(1) - FlaviusAetius

ND(1) - ItsHosuke

xorxes(1) - BunnyGo

Unvoted(3) - Chaqa, purplecow, ND


Currently CHAQA will be lynched.


Day Two ends in 23 hours and 10 minutes.

##CALL GM Keep posting vote counts and I’ll keep giving you +1

[BunnyGo]

Planned to have bob watch him.

Don’t drink and mafia.

False. Drunk Bunny is the best bunny. I’m 1 gin in now. Brilliance coming soon.

[BionicMole]

I put a little trap in my post by purposefully confusing who Tom had replaced. The fact Frost doesn't realize this indicates to me he isn/t paying super close attention to the game, which is actually a town tell to me.

Yeah, thought something was off lol. Since I'm moving out of my dormitory for Thanksgiving break and the general annoyingness of dynamic programming/heteronuclear molecular orbitals/integrals/number theory congruences they're all messing with my brain, probably why I missed it. tbh in other games of mafia generally my town playstyle is a lot quieter than my mafia one, since in general people think of mafia as trying to stay in the shadows and town as trying to confirm themselves.

Still a little confused about the votes for Chaqa. He's all but confirmed. Very confused as to whether ND is trying to get himself killed, I don't like his playstyle.

##VOTE ND

I dont think we should need to decide today, its not going to help, and the real Dr. Jekyll still has one more day to do things, and is LIKELY going to be NKed this night anyways, their not wasting an NK to not end up offing Dr. Jekyll. I think its about time we move on, from this absolute nonsense, there is literally no reason for us to go after a possible Dr. Jekyll until DAY 3, so how about we all lay off and chill out

@Flav, Please explain to me how deciding this will not help and why we should wait.

I'm confused. I don't understand why someone would fakeclaim Jekyll.

I think their both mafia, and freaked out after their leader died, but maybe its different mafia, I dont really know, what I do know though is that Hyde wins with mafia, they would want to keep him a live, this is ridiciulous that they would target the doctor, these plebs are both lying guranteed

Also, if both of them are "lying guranteed", how is Jekyll "LIKELY going to be NKed this night anyways" when it would be like a 1/20 shot in the dark?

You are sounding very inconsistent and I'm really wondering why you are pushing away from this.

[Vecna]

Two things that bother me:

1) Why did Vecna vote for Chaqa before ND claimed, when there was no reason to suspect that Chaqa was not Jekyll.

2) Why did Chaqa vote for ND when ND claimed Jekyll.

Why are you pretending that it was linked to the events that followed afterwards?

[Vecna]

I agree with lynching Frostwind, but not today. Like people have said, his voting habbits appear non-town. We should lynch ND or Chaqa on principal that it will get us somewhere. Conceivably, it could be bad to kill a doctor... but we'd also be killing a Night Kill PR. Also, we have another doctor already. Arguably having the doctors coordinate is tricky and not guaranteed. So due to possible overlap, I'd only consider it more like 1 ½ doctors.
Anyways, everyone saying don't lynch ND or Chaqa are looking scummy to me.

Explain why you think lynching ND is a good option for today now that Chaqa has retracted his claim.

I believe you mean why I'm voting ND today then Chaqa tomorrow opposed to the other way around? Because ND is annoying, that's why. Otherwise I don't feel the order is a big deal in the grand scheme of things. If we fail to lynch one of them in the next two nights, then we are screwing ourselves, otherwise we come out ahead. Both ND and Chaqa gave the arguments why they both should be lynched, and yes I'm just agreeing, not adding anything.

This type of stubborn voting likely also comes from town. No sense of scum preservation in it. Scum aint gonna call the near-confirmed town annoyed and continue to vote there after all this.

[bozotheclown]

@ND - I didn’t mean to say Hyde couldn’t kill untilN3. If you go back, I comment that I omitted an “again” accidentally.

As I said - lynch me. It’s honestly pro-town.

If you think we should still lynch you it makes me wonder why you retracted when you did. If you thought there was something to be learned from continuing your counterclaim, why not continue it all day for maximum affect, then when you flip town it would generate a lot of discussion.

[Vecna]

I believe you mean why I'm voting ND today then Chaqa tomorrow opposed to the other way around? Because ND is annoying, that's why. Otherwise I don't feel the order is a big deal in the grand scheme of things. If we fail to lynch one of them in the next two nights, then we are screwing ourselves, otherwise we come out ahead. Both ND and Chaqa gave the arguments why they both should be lynched, and yes I'm just agreeing, not adding anything.

Eliminating a town doc save today when Hyde will not be active tonight makes zero sense. Also, ND has stopped his annoying persona after his claim, and in any case lynching town because they're annoying is not pro-town.

Neither ND or Chaqa are town! They are town-liabilities. It's pedantic, but I want to clarify I'm not saying lynch ND "because he's annoying". I'm just prioritizing abitrarily. Maybe that does look not pro-town. I'm totally fine switching it.

##vote Chaqa

Meh, or maybe he just doesnt quite get the dynamics. Still, the persistence feels pretty towny.

[xorxes]

Two things that bother me:

1) Why did Vecna vote for Chaqa before ND claimed, when there was no reason to suspect that Chaqa was not Jekyll.

2) Why did Chaqa vote for ND when ND claimed Jekyll.

Why are you pretending that it was linked to the events that followed afterwards?

I'm not pretending any such thing. As soon as you voted, I asked what were you doing because it made very little sense. I still don't understand why you thought Chaqa's claim was fake before ND counterclaimed him.

[xorxes]

Explain why you think lynching ND is a good option for today now that Chaqa has retracted his claim.

I believe you mean why I'm voting ND today then Chaqa tomorrow opposed to the other way around? Because ND is annoying, that's why. Otherwise I don't feel the order is a big deal in the grand scheme of things. If we fail to lynch one of them in the next two nights, then we are screwing ourselves, otherwise we come out ahead. Both ND and Chaqa gave the arguments why they both should be lynched, and yes I'm just agreeing, not adding anything.

This type of stubborn voting likely also comes from town. No sense of scum preservation in it. Scum aint gonna call the near-confirmed town annoyed and continue to vote there after all this.

Probably true.

[bozotheclown]

Two things that bother me:

1) Why did Vecna vote for Chaqa before ND claimed, when there was no reason to suspect that Chaqa was not Jekyll.

2) Why did Chaqa vote for ND when ND claimed Jekyll.

Why are you pretending that it was linked to the events that followed afterwards?

The question is why did you vote for Chaqa when he was the unCCed Jekyll on D2 when Hyde did not have a NK again until N3?

[bozotheclown]

Eliminating a town doc save today when Hyde will not be active tonight makes zero sense. Also, ND has stopped his annoying persona after his claim, and in any case lynching town because they're annoying is not pro-town.

Neither ND or Chaqa are town! They are town-liabilities. It's pedantic, but I want to clarify I'm not saying lynch ND "because he's annoying". I'm just prioritizing abitrarily. Maybe that does look not pro-town. I'm totally fine switching it.

##vote Chaqa

Meh, or maybe he just doesnt quite get the dynamics. Still, the persistence feels pretty towny.

It sounds to me like CmdrLikely had not yet seen than Chaqa had retracted.

[Vecna]

@Chaqa: what is your read of Vecna?

Honestly he looks pretty bad, BUT he did say he’d be inactive and sporadic specially during these phases. I’ve always had a hard time reading him though. That said - if he lives past day 3/4 or so he’s probably scum (much like you).

So his voting for you out of the gates today before ND had made his claim does not bother you at all?

I voted him mainly for his D1 behavior surrounding the Bob wagon.

[xorxes]

Honestly he looks pretty bad, BUT he did say he’d be inactive and sporadic specially during these phases. I’ve always had a hard time reading him though. That said - if he lives past day 3/4 or so he’s probably scum (much like you).

So his voting for you out of the gates today before ND had made his claim does not bother you at all?

I voted him mainly for his D1 behavior surrounding the Bob wagon.

Yes, with no consideration for his claim, which suggests you thought his claim was fake.

[ND]

@ND - I didn’t mean to say Hyde couldn’t kill untilN3. If you go back, I comment that I omitted an “again” accidentally.

As I said - lynch me. It’s honestly pro-town.

If you think we should still lynch you it makes me wonder why you retracted when you did. If you thought there was something to be learned from continuing your counterclaim, why not continue it all day for maximum affect, then when you flip town it would generate a lot of discussion.

I would like to see an answer to this as well.

[DemonRHK]

Two things that bother me:

1) Why did Vecna vote for Chaqa before ND claimed, when there was no reason to suspect that Chaqa was not Jekyll.

2) Why did Chaqa vote for ND when ND claimed Jekyll.

Why are you pretending that it was linked to the events that followed afterwards?

The question is why did you vote for Chaqa when he was the unCCed Jekyll on D2 when Hyde did not have a NK again until N3?

In Vecna’s defense (blegh) he did explain himself. Are you being lazy or not really doing iso and throwing anything at the wall to see what sticks?

[damo666]

A summary of where I am, as much for myself as anyone else

1. damo Town
2. e.m.c ? edging towards non-Town
3. bozo ?
4. dargorygel townlean
5. xorxes townlean
6. Computer_Genius [bo] null
7. Chaqa VT
8. rdrivera2005 null
9. BunnyGo townlean
10. Vecna ?
11. Temasek22 ?
12. ND DrJ
13. frostwind scum
14. BionicMole ?
15. Hosuke ? (very quiet)
16. Kitsune townlean
17. DemRHK townlean
18. purplecow ?
19. FlaviusAetius probtown but hmmm
20. CmdrLikely ?
21. Vaporwave [Tom] ?
22. BobMcBob deadSCUM
23. KalelChase ?

Damn, what a weakass readslist.

More of a note to self than a readlist (too early for that).

Why are you leaning town on Xorxes?

I usually do.

How come you have no opinion on me while youre normally extremely opinionated about me?

Am I? Ok twist my arm …. townlean

Why is Rdrivera a null and not a ?

Dunno. Not deliberate or significant.