MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[CmdrLikely]

Hello all. Go team Town!
But seriously, our we just going to lynch a random person? This is my first Mafia on this forum but it seems too quiet to make an informed decision?

[DemonRHK]

Raid night over. Another quick Ony + MC.

I find the J+H discussion interesting. Prior to any meaningful discussion I find myself in the claim and lynch camp, although maybe not D1.

So it seems there is an aggressively power scum team, and a utility powered scum team, then Hyde and Jack doing their shit.

Questions to open some discussion:

- Who does each player think is the more dangerous scum team on powers alone?

- What do people think of a Urchin claim D1? They would be able to confirm multiple roles at best, or hard force a power trade with scum team 1 at worst.


I find myself wary of rdr (Although I seem to always read him scum) over the mislabeling of the SK's wincon. I also don't like what I've seen of Bob so far. It's a shotgun of content spread with no intent or effect (And there were a lot of attempts in those few posts to be substantial)

[bozotheclown]

I believe it's a pre-programmed night save - as in, unlike a normal doc, he can't choose at night - but must make his choice before EOD

Oh, I misread lmao

I think I will go back to sleep, there is no activity anyways

and no, I don't think so?

Actually wait

It may be referring to the lynch, actually, unless I'm missing something here as well

I did not consider the lynch, that would be interesting since it would allow Dr. Jekyll to override the lynch and deflect the lynch to the second largest wagon by waiting until EOD to pick a target.

[bozotheclown]

Raid night over. Another quick Ony + MC.

I find the J+H discussion interesting. Prior to any meaningful discussion I find myself in the claim and lynch camp, although maybe not D1.

So it seems there is an aggressively power scum team, and a utility powered scum team, then Hyde and Jack doing their shit.

Questions to open some discussion:

- Who does each player think is the more dangerous scum team on powers alone?

- What do people think of a Urchin claim D1? They would be able to confirm multiple roles at best, or hard force a power trade with scum team 1 at worst.


I find myself wary of rdr (Although I seem to always read him scum) over the mislabeling of the SK's wincon. I also don't like what I've seen of Bob so far. It's a shotgun of content spread with no intent or effect (And there were a lot of attempts in those few posts to be substantial)

I would go with team 1, Moriarty is a fairly strong mafia PR.

I think if the Urchin claimed D1, the night killers would stay away from him for a while assuming he would draw doctor protection, so he would not see any scum visit him, but he would be a town clear. Staying hidden he could get lucky and see some night activity that provides useful later in the game.

[bozotheclown]

Hello all. Go team Town!
But seriously, our we just going to lynch a random person? This is my first Mafia on this forum but it seems too quiet to make an informed decision?

There are still over 40 hours to go in D1, but there is often not too much to go on D1. Voting no lynch is an option, but most players consider a random lynch better D1 than no lynch, because it provides information and gives town a chance to lynch scum instead of giving the mafia the first kill. You could make a case for a D1 no lynch this game based on the fact that a town getting NKed is not guaranteed, if we are very lucky there could be 3 scum killed N1.

[BionicMole]

They have a 7/20 chance of hitting scum N1 if we mislynch D1, and 6/20 if we lynch scum. I don't see why we woud want to remove that threat to scum and sacrifice one town with powers in the process. Also, Jack the Ripper wants Jekyll outed.

First decent post, with 9 Female characters Jack can win on N5 (not likely, but still possible), so having Jekill/Hide alive for some days is probably best for town.

Vecna style is really annoying as I don't understand half the things he writes.

I don't understand your point, Mr. Hyde killing anyone advances the second win condition of Jack the Ripper, and only slightly reduces the chances of Jack the Ripper reaching his first win condition if Mr. Hyde kills a female.

I believe the female has to die by the hand of Jack the Ripper himself. The chances of him winning are not as large as you think right off the top. There are a possible 4 dead people per day/night cycle (1 lynch, 2 mafia NKs, and either Hyde or Jack). By day 6 there wont be many people left and if every kill is random, not a great chance The Ripper is even one of them.

[BionicMole]

But all in all, this has been an interestingly quiet start of the game. Maybe it has something to do with forgetting about game? Might've been better if there was a post of link to this thread in the sign-up one before closing.

There could be many factors for the slow start. I myself had to dig around to find the thread. But that was only after I took in episode 3 of the Mandalorian. And it was night in Europe and evening in US when we kicked off.
Wake up people!!! (3:30 am here, off to work for me...)

[rdrivera2005]

They have a 7/20 chance of hitting scum N1 if we mislynch D1, and 6/20 if we lynch scum. I don't see why we woud want to remove that threat to scum and sacrifice one town with powers in the process. Also, Jack the Ripper wants Jekyll outed.

First decent post, with 9 Female characters Jack can win on N5 (not likely, but still possible), so having Jekill/Hide alive for some days is probably best for town.

Vecna style is really annoying as I don't understand half the things he writes.

I think you mean N6, since Jack the Ripper kills on even nights.

You area right, I misremembered it. And it's better then I thought, one less N1 death.

[rdrivera2005]

They have a 7/20 chance of hitting scum N1 if we mislynch D1, and 6/20 if we lynch scum. I don't see why we woud want to remove that threat to scum and sacrifice one town with powers in the process. Also, Jack the Ripper wants Jekyll outed.

First decent post, with 9 Female characters Jack can win on N5 (not likely, but still possible), so having Jekill/Hide alive for some days is probably best for town.

Vecna style is really annoying as I don't understand half the things he writes.

I don't understand your point, Mr. Hyde killing anyone advances the second win condition of Jack the Ripper, and only slightly reduces the chances of Jack the Ripper reaching his first win condition if Mr. Hyde kills a female.

If Hyde kills a female it's one less target to Jack. But I was really thinking on the protective side of Jeckill, specially considering two of the females are town PR.

[rdrivera2005]

Raid night over. Another quick Ony + MC.

I find the J+H discussion interesting. Prior to any meaningful discussion I find myself in the claim and lynch camp, although maybe not D1.

So it seems there is an aggressively power scum team, and a utility powered scum team, then Hyde and Jack doing their shit.

Questions to open some discussion:

- Who does each player think is the more dangerous scum team on powers alone?

- What do people think of a Urchin claim D1? They would be able to confirm multiple roles at best, or hard force a power trade with scum team 1 at worst.


I find myself wary of rdr (Although I seem to always read him scum) over the mislabeling of the SK's wincon. I also don't like what I've seen of Bob so far. It's a shotgun of content spread with no intent or effect (And there were a lot of attempts in those few posts to be substantial)

Where I mislabeled (didn't knew this word) the SKs wincon? I think I just confused odd and even days.

[BionicMole]

Hmm although, maybe someone should translate Vecna's stuff if he keeps up flavour, would make it easier for those of us ESL

So I read a few things about British slang and phrases (current stuff more than Victorian) to try and add to the flavor and let me tell you, their version of English is its own monster compared to the American version.

[damo666]

Hmm although, maybe someone should translate Vecna's stuff if he keeps up flavour, would make it easier for those of us ESL

So I read a few things about British slang and phrases (current stuff more than Victorian) to try and add to the flavor and let me tell you, their version of English is its own monster compared to the American version.

Do me a lemon

[damo666]

##vote Flavius

(just having a giraffe really but then again why not).

I assume Bob is a Male vt

[xorxes]

I am not sure Dr. Jekyll is an asset. Maybe they should announce who they are so we can lynch them D1.

Who would you say is most threatened by Mr Hyde: Town, Mafia or Jack the Ripper?

Certainly not Jack the Ripper, Mr. Hyde is his ally. If I understand the roles correctly, Jack the Ripper can't be killed by Mr. Hyde, and Dr. Jekyll does not find out the identity of Jack the Ripper if Mr. Hyde tries to kill him.

Yes, I missed the part where Hyde can't kill Jack.

I think Mafia has more to fear than town though, because they have fewer numbers, so one of them getting killed is a much bigger loss. It's not at all clear to me that Jekyll/Hyde is a net liability to town, and they can out themselves at any time if it becomes clear later that they are, so I don't really see the point of doing it D1.

[damo666]

I agree it is too early for Dr J to claim. Maybe in a day or two if town are getting depleted.

[xorxes]

Assuming Dr. Jekyll lives past D1, I suspect that Dr. Jekyll will end up killing more town players than he saves.

They have a 7/20 chance of hitting scum N1 if we mislynch D1, and 6/20 if we lynch scum. I don't see why we woud want to remove that threat to scum and sacrifice one town with powers in the process. Also, Jack the Ripper wants Jekyll outed.

Why does Jack the Ripper want Dr. Jekyll outed? I think Jack the Ripper wants Mr. Hyde to kill as many players as possible.

Aren't there 22 players left after D1? If we mislynch D1, Mr. Hyde has a 14/21 chance of hitting town and 6/21 chance of hitting mafia, assuming a random selection. However, the problem is Mr. Hyde will be trying to kill a town, since he can win with the mafia or the SK, and he only needs to identify one town correctly to make sure he does not accidentally kill a mafia (or waste an attempt on the SK).

I thought I read somewhere that Hyde knew who Jekyll was, but I can't find it now. Hyde will try to kill town, but everyone is trying to look towny, so they may end up hitting a scum that has disguised themselves very well as town.

[xorxes]

They have a 7/20 chance of hitting scum N1 if we mislynch D1, and 6/20 if we lynch scum. I don't see why we woud want to remove that threat to scum and sacrifice one town with powers in the process. Also, Jack the Ripper wants Jekyll outed.

First decent post, with 9 Female characters Jack can win on N5 (not likely, but still possible), so having Jekill/Hide alive for some days is probably best for town.

Vecna style is really annoying as I don't understand half the things he writes.

xorxes, do you think rdrivera is trying to pocket you before you scum read him again, or do you agree that your post was the first good post?

Both.

[damo666]

Raid night over. Another quick Ony + MC.

I find the J+H discussion interesting. Prior to any meaningful discussion I find myself in the claim and lynch camp, although maybe not D1.

So it seems there is an aggressively power scum team, and a utility powered scum team, then Hyde and Jack doing their shit.

Questions to open some discussion:

- Who does each player think is the more dangerous scum team on powers alone?

- What do people think of a Urchin claim D1? They would be able to confirm multiple roles at best, or hard force a power trade with scum team 1 at worst.


I find myself wary of rdr (Although I seem to always read him scum) over the mislabeling of the SK's wincon. I also don't like what I've seen of Bob so far. It's a shotgun of content spread with no intent or effect (And there were a lot of attempts in those few posts to be substantial)

Moriarty team looks stronger.

I don't see the benefit of le gamin claiming. They would just be ignored.

[xorxes]

Oh, I misread lmao

I think I will go back to sleep, there is no activity anyways

and no, I don't think so?

Actually wait

It may be referring to the lynch, actually, unless I'm missing something here as well

Ooo I really do hope so that this interpretation is true, if it is then at last my day doc is here.

##CALL GM

I thought it referred to the lynch as well.

[xorxes]

Oi, ye shitgoblers, cuno in this bitch. Who wants to go raid som'ere dustbins for leftovers?

Vecna is here. Who wants to go dumpster diving[f]

##vote ND

Slimy weasel, speak plainly

ND is a trying a scummy type of persona here, if it does not drop off it is scum indicative.

The name's CUNO

Please do not forget my self-assigned flavour role, Cuno the street urchin.

lets gut this ere posturing fish

I am finding ND very scummy here, partially due to his posturing. Let's lynch him.

The flapping fish is even worse at readin' than Cuno. Now I understand why me mum always claimed edumacattion never did nun no good.

Its a town role ya doof

I find the fact that ND misread/did not interpret the setup information correctly rather concerning, and also likely scummy.

Cuno thinks we ougtha dress up this hydeous fellar as a pretty lady and feed jer to the the ripper

We should kill Hyde, let's get Jack to target him.

Your interpretation of his last post is interesting. I thought he was still talking about ND (all he talked about so far).

Second interpretation is that he was referring to bozo.

I don't really see how he could have meant what you interpret.