M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[bozotheclown]

Sorry in advance for the length of this post.

Here are five consecutive posts shortly after Kitsune revealed she received the driver PMs, which includes the post that looked like a BionicMole scum slip:

I received PM confirmation of the Driver power at work, which presumably means the swapped persons and the driver can confirm this took place last night.

The swapped persons should keep quiet for now in case someone claims Driver and needs to be confirmed.

This opens up the possibility that damo was driven after all and the bullet was meant for someone else.

Just wondering how the swapped person could confirm who the driver is? They would only be able to confirm the swap happened. Am I correct in assuming that?

And unless this IS in fact an elaborate hoax by Kit, we can also safely assume the NK was meant for the swapped person. And that person should be a little nervous knowing that the NK was meant for them.

The swapped persons should keep quiet for now in case someone claims Driver and needs to be confirmed.

This opens up the possibility that damo was driven after all and the bullet was meant for someone else.

Just wondering how the swapped person could confirm who the driver is? They would only be able to confirm the swap happened. Am I correct in assuming that?

And unless this IS in fact an elaborate hoax by Kit, we can also safely assume the NK was meant for the swapped person. And that person should be a little nervous knowing that the NK was meant for them.

Why would you say that?

Just wondering how the swapped person could confirm who the driver is? They would only be able to confirm the swap happened. Am I correct in assuming that?

When the Driver claims, they say who they swapped, and the swapped person can confirm that they were swapped. If damo was the Driver and scum stole his role, then they could claim Driver but they wouldn't know who damo drove.

And unless this IS in fact an elaborate hoax by Kit, we can also safely assume the NK was meant for the swapped person. And that person should be a little nervous knowing that the NK was meant for them.

We won't know that for sure until we know if damo was one of the swapped persons.

Just wondering how the swapped person could confirm who the driver is? They would only be able to confirm the swap happened. Am I correct in assuming that?

When the Driver claims, they say who they swapped, and the swapped person can confirm that they were swapped. If damo was the Driver and scum stole his role, then they could claim Driver but they wouldn't know who damo drove.

And unless this IS in fact an elaborate hoax by Kit, we can also safely assume the NK was meant for the swapped person. And that person should be a little nervous knowing that the NK was meant for them.

We won't know that for sure until we know if damo was one of the swapped persons.

Why are you helping his scum slip?

And unless this IS in fact an elaborate hoax by Kit, we can also safely assume the NK was meant for the swapped person. And that person should be a little nervous knowing that the NK was meant for them.

Why would you say that?

I want to know as well. What makes you think damo was one of the people swapped?

It looks like xorxes was really the one who scum slipped in the way he reacted to BionicMole's post, and by the way he responded when BunnyGo questioned his response to BionicMole.

[bozotheclown]

I think I'll be taking a closer look at the people who claimed Flavius "scumslipped" tonight. It was the point where I think a lot went wrong, and something about the whole situation just felt odd.

The inciting incident:



I hadn't looked up Flav's reads so I naturally wanted clarity, so I did what a great number of people should've done and asked questions. It felt like a throwaway comment about Ezio not posting a full analysis of the responses he read, and I figured it might be helpful to also get an idea of Flav's thoughts on other things that have happened in the game.

Yet a decent handful of people took that comment in a WHOLE other direction. Those people were:
Jamie, worcej, Ezio, Kalel, bozotheclown
rdrivera (note bold)

The one who really started taking it down the dark path was Jamie. Page 43 he sees the post and believes it to be a scum slip based on the premise that Flavius "knows" damo is scum.
Then follow worcej, Ezio, and Kalel onto the wagon, with others considering it but not yet placing votes.
The other two on my list stand out for other reasons. They both talk about the wagon and interact with it for a little while, bozo pressuring him until he says he can't claim his role, and eventually pushing Flav to claim bulletproof, which later spiraled into everyone voting for Flav.

And then rivera, who stands out the most to me as someone who started talking about it EARLY but not getting on the wagon until everybody decided to lynch Flav as a role confirm. When I say he started early, I mean his post saying he thought it was convincing as a scumslip was when the wagon was at a grand total of 2 votes. The degree to which he attempted to be a voice on the wagon is unclear, but he most certainly seemed to want to stoke the fire, but he only actually joined into the fray when it became clear that there was no alternative to the lynch.

This REEKS of scumplay. To a degree far beyond the other people on the list. Looking back at his other posts there's absolutely nothing to make up for it. Hedging, weird anger at people for answering questions not necessarily directed at them, inessential and unproductive questions, little to no actual deduction. I just can't envision any of this being town.

I assume there will be one or two other scum on this wagon, so this is a good place to focus at least SOME thought.

Hmm. This doesn't fit with rivera's scum MO though. As scum he is much more likely to bus, and he is not likely to join a wagon that he knows will flip town just to make numbers.

Xorxes your posts are usually better than this. You can't just shoot down detailed analysis by saying Rdrivera usually busses.

Here is some more potential scum theater. There is enough bad logic in here to support the idea this was among scum teammates.

[BobMcBob]

We know the driver PMs went out late D2, so if xorxes is mafia he would have been wondering why he did not get a message about being driven when he posted this:

Maybe damo was the Magnet that attracted Janitor and Mafia kill to himself?

I know I was only considering 2 possibilities at the time, that damo was the NK target or that he was driven with the NK target. xorxes would have known the first was not true and been questioning if the second was true since he had not received a PM.

Looking back over it, I think you're right. There's good reason to believe that xorxes is mafia, not assassin.

[Vaporwave]

Knew it! I felt that xorxes was the weirdest thing on the planet this game, he had sassy moments, he felt prickly

I'm always smelling xorxes accurately, I know that when I can't rest on a particular alignment, he's up to no good

I couldn't accuse him of mafia because of that switch N1 so 3rd party was the most possible alignment

[Vaporwave]

bozo, I really don't think a mafia member is allowed to 'kill' another mafia member

[bozotheclown]

I just felt it too appropriate that after a failed attempt to kill Kitsune, I would kill her by posting "never gonna give you up"

Somehow our whole mafia team missed some key mechanics info...

Such as?

I'll let you know after the game, but you should be able to figure it out.

More scum interaction? Squigs claiming the mafia made a mistake with the mechanics could be to direct suspicion away from xorxes.

[bozotheclown]

bozo, I really don't think a mafia member is allowed to 'kill' another mafia member

I think they can, but lets confirm.

##CALL GM

Can the mafia order a night kill on a mafia if they think it will advance their win condition?

[Squigs44]

bozo, I really don't think a mafia member is allowed to 'kill' another mafia member

I killed Temasek

Accidentally of course

[Vecna]

Ok, I have a mild idea. It's not a rocket science idea.
But I am going to exchange me with the most obv scum.
I hesitated to switch me, the other two nights because it seemed either (n1) that no one thought of me, and (n2) that they would be more scared of Kitsune than me...
But now, according to SOMEONE, I am MVC. (not player, I stink... but the CHARACTER will be on scum's radar.) I am sorta surprised that Squigglesy didn't kill me. My power remains, after all.

SO... what I need from you, is to tell me who YOU think is the absolute most scummy. I am not going to debate you. Because I don't want to give the QT anything to read off me. I've kinda done that already, not being fuilly honest with who my top scummo is.

N1 I didn't really try to kill scum, but save xorxes, and paired him with my top scum (which was wrong.) But N2 I got lucky... guessing who they'd kill AND who is likeliest scum.

But N3... has my luck run out? Is my top scum THE right choice to pair with me?

I will read your answers with delight and joy and excitement.

AND if you are scum, don't bother answering.

Thanksthatsallfornow

I really wish I could claim my role and tell some funny stories. It would make everything so much easier for you and the rest of us.

Im gonna try to figure out the puzzle before EoN and give you my -unique- perspective. Id seriously advice you to take it into consideration.

[Vecna]

Stop playing games, Bunny

do you trust me or not?

do you have reservations or do you fully accept me?

Who knows...you're really hard to read. You're probably town. I doubt you're mafia. There's a chance you're assassin.

https://live.staticflickr.com/2697/4298 ... bf5a01.jpg

I love this one

[Vecna]

I'm waiting for Flavs reaction when he gets to the rick roll

me2

[Vecna]

Im thinking Ike or Vecna so we can get some clarity, but maybe xorxes?

Normally id say fuck using it on me, ill talk myself into obvtown anyway. But you should probably use it on me.

I think Xorxes is pretty obv-town here. A very minuscule chance of being 3rd party but I really dont get the people saying he's normally even more involved as town. He's absolutely not, and this is about the far top-end of his town-solving playstyle. Also, the way he stuck up his lip at me is a pretty classic "I dont give a fuck bout your opinion type of play".

An important note: when using it on the third party, will the item even show guilties? Should probably be using it to fish out scum/assassin, which should be a pretty small group by now.

Regardless, having claimed this item was probably a bad bad idea. Makes things harder for darg as well

[rdrivera2005]

HUZZAH IT SAYS XORXES IS HOSTILE TO TOWN
AKA ASSASSIN
OR SCUM

The scan is of imediata use? If this is true, anyone eyetv with a gun should just shoot him.

[Vecna]

Then THE SCAN WILL HAPPEN, TIME TO EXPOSE MY MAN XORXESSSSS

This is probably a big waste

[BobMcBob]

Then THE SCAN WILL HAPPEN, TIME TO EXPOSE MY MAN XORXESSSSS

This is probably a big waste

Spoiler alert, it's not. What are you playing at Vecna?

[Vecna]

HUZZAH IT SAYS XORXES IS HOSTILE TO TOWN
AKA ASSASSIN
OR SCUM

baad reaction test is bad. Items no instant during night

[rdrivera2005]

Such as?

I'll let you know after the game, but you should be able to figure it out.

More scum interaction? Squigs claiming the mafia made a mistake with the mechanics could be to direct suspicion away from xorxes.

Bozo, I know you are in a "Gotcha" moment, but take a moment to consider how unlikely is this scenario of mafia thinking "let kill a mafia member and also use the janitor on it". It's almost an all in in the first night.

[BobMcBob]

HUZZAH IT SAYS XORXES IS HOSTILE TO TOWN
AKA ASSASSIN
OR SCUM

baad reaction test is bad. Items no instant during night

Are you sure? The roles doc doesn't give a specification on use-time. ##Call GM Is the police scanner item instant-use?

[Vecna]

Attention assassin:

I really don't want town to win after basically outting themselves on day 2. So if you know who your two targets are, you could kill one of them tonight and we kill the other. After all the info that has been shared I *think* I know who the assassin is, so if you could try to get that info to me discretely I will be looking for it. I know you don't want to give yourself away, but if you can win tonight lets make it happen.

How about the first name you mention after this post is the person you want us mafia to kill?

Luckily we still have the driver.

And some other unrevealed tricks.

Squigs is trolling anyway

[BobMcBob]

I'll let you know after the game, but you should be able to figure it out.

More scum interaction? Squigs claiming the mafia made a mistake with the mechanics could be to direct suspicion away from xorxes.

Bozo, I know you are in a "Gotcha" moment, but take a moment to consider how unlikely is this scenario of mafia thinking "let kill a mafia member and also use the janitor on it". It's almost an all in in the first night.

Gosh, there's really some next-level thinking and strategy going on here that I just can't get. Now rdrivera's got me thinking xorxes might not actually be mafia... I am a useless player. My only use now is backing up opinions, voting, and clearing myself if need be. Because this stuff is... really complex.