M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[Chaqa]

Oh dear. I'll have to consult with Chaqa for some of them, but let me see;

The Philosoraptor is weird too. Does the player they contact have to respond? Do they have to respond honestly?

##CALL GM

No, and no.

##CALL GM

Are guns and other items taken by a someone in the lynch or NK?

*I* do not believe so, but this may a different ruling as per Chaqa.

No one can be revived from the God thread, only the Graveyard (which clears when someone is revived).

##CALL GM

Is this correct? Does Chuck Testa get screwed whenever Throwback Thursday calls a player back from the dead?

Correct, as having God Thread access would mean that the player, well, knows as much as the GMs do about the game.

##CALL GM Does Get Down Mr. President die if they successfully protect the target? It says "Any killing actions targeting this player will be acted upon you instead, and you will kill the attacker." so it's clear the scum killer dies, but the bodyguard?

The bodyguard shall live, unless another killing action targeted them.

##CALL GM Can Pepe hand more than one item to the same person on consecutive nights?

I do not believe there is a restriction against giving items to the same player on consecutive nights.

##CALL GM

If the magnet activates, what does the driver do? What if the magnet is a person the driver was already selecting?

It does not matter, as all targets are now the magnet, so both driven targets would be the magnet.

If Town eliminates all scum, does Tanner lose if still alive?

##CALL GM

Also, if Tanner somehow gets a gun (like item smith) can they shoot themselves?

I believe yes, the tanner will lose, and no, no roles are allowed to outright shoot themselves.

##GM Note - these are all correct, except the Bodyguard. The role PM states the killing action will move to the Bodyguard himself, but he would also kill his attacker. Both the Bodyguard and the attacker would die.

[FlaviusAetius]

I want someone else to post their projected role list now please.

Let’s see what smarter minds than mine can do with the intel out there and who is who, before we lose another town.

There's one role that has been "soft claimed", whatever that means to him, and one role that has been indirectly outed because I think it's the only role they could have if all the claims are true, but I'm not sure if we should state the reasoning explicitly even if we have to assume the Assassin will figure it out too.

So we are currently 11-4-2. I think we don't need to worry about the Infector for now since they lost their only infectee and have to start from scratch. I think the 4+1 that we do have to worry about are all among:

Vecna
Ike
Squigs
Temasek
Vapor
Ezio
Prado

With clears/clearish/clear-in-waiting/non-mafia:

Flavius
Kitsune
dargo
bozo (if not clear, he's dead anyway)
worcej (almost certain, if not he's dead anyway)
BunnyGo (contingent on some things, but seems legit)
rivera (if claim doesn't match soft, he's dead)
Kalel (if claim doesn't match soft, he's dead)
Bob (if claim doesn't match soft, he's dead)
xorxes non-Mafia

So we lynch tomorrow among:

Vecna
Ike
Squigs
Temasek
Vapor
Ezio
Prado

and we should have at least a 5/7 of hitting evil scum, 1/7 of hitting neutral (Infector), and only 1/7 town, who hopefully has a verifiable claim that means no mislynch.

If one of them counterclaims one of the softs above, we will have to deal with a 1v1.

One thing: If we have a Magnet, which I think is still possible that we do, they should consider activating tonight. It's possible that they will die, but that doesn't matter because some townie will die anyway. It is also possible that they don't die because there may still be some protection to be had. Activating the magnet will prevent the Assassin from hitting one of their targets, and with so many claims and softs around it is likely that one of them is an Assassin target and this should buy us another day. If there is no magnet, I guess we have to pray that none of the revealed roles were an Assassin target.

Explain how this is not a sCuMSliP

[Kitsune]

We have been revealing a number of roles and I feel this is the correct decision, however we do need to be mindful of the assassin who lucked out with Damo’s kill and may be closer to winning if we’ve revealed the wrong roles.

All players please post their top three assassin reads before EoN.

When the assassin gets a second kill from their list, the JOAT and (if this goes long enough) one-shot pistol should select a likely target from this list and fire, assuming that day’s lynch doesn’t catch him.

Getting this out there now, in case I’m silenced at EoN.

[BobMcBob]

We have been revealing a number of roles and I feel this is the correct decision, however we do need to be mindful of the assassin who lucked out with Damo’s kill and may be closer to winning if we’ve revealed the wrong roles.

All players please post their top three assassin reads before EoN.

When the assassin gets a second kill from their list, the JOAT and (if this goes long enough) one-shot pistol should select a likely target from this list and fire, assuming that day’s lynch doesn’t catch him.

Getting this out there now, in case I’m silenced at EoN.

Top assassin reads: xorxes, Squigs, Vecna. No ISO's done, so these reads may change, but wanted to get them out there. *Technically* Kitsune's not clear as assassin also knows all roles, but it would be a bad play for assassin and it would have been an odd way to go about it.

[BobMcBob]

but it would be a bad play for assassin and it would have been an odd way to go about it.

I say this because it's not unlikely that Kitsune gets killed tonight. However it is entirely possible, because a lot of roles have been semi-revealed (providing more info for assassin) and Kitsune has not revealed any information assassin couldn't know. Also, assassin would know there's not an interceptor, removing the possibility of a counterclaim. Honestly, I wouldn't be entirely surprised.

[bozotheclown]

but it would be a bad play for assassin and it would have been an odd way to go about it.

I say this because it's not unlikely that Kitsune gets killed tonight. However it is entirely possible, because a lot of roles have been semi-revealed (providing more info for assassin) and Kitsune has not revealed any information assassin couldn't know. Also, assassin would know there's not an interceptor, removing the possibility of a counterclaim. Honestly, I wouldn't be entirely surprised.

I think Kitsune's late addition of the driver confirms she is the interceptor, not that there was any serious doubt.

[Squigs44]

We have been revealing a number of roles and I feel this is the correct decision, however we do need to be mindful of the assassin who lucked out with Damo’s kill and may be closer to winning if we’ve revealed the wrong roles.

All players please post their top three assassin reads before EoN.

When the assassin gets a second kill from their list, the JOAT and (if this goes long enough) one-shot pistol should select a likely target from this list and fire, assuming that day’s lynch doesn’t catch him.

Getting this out there now, in case I’m silenced at EoN.

Top assassin reads: xorxes, Squigs, Vecna. No ISO's done, so these reads may change, but wanted to get them out there. *Technically* Kitsune's not clear as assassin also knows all roles, but it would be a bad play for assassin and it would have been an odd way to go about it.

Any time I'm lumped in with Vecna and Xorxes is a proud moment.

I highly doubt Vecna would be lurking like this as assassin. My top three are Xorxes, Vaporwave, and Temasek, although I honestly wouldn't be surprised if rdrivera was assassin pulling a quick one on us.

[bozotheclown]

Since BionicMole was not mafia, there is no reason to believe mafia was driving my wagon.

[BobMcBob]

but it would be a bad play for assassin and it would have been an odd way to go about it.

I say this because it's not unlikely that Kitsune gets killed tonight. However it is entirely possible, because a lot of roles have been semi-revealed (providing more info for assassin) and Kitsune has not revealed any information assassin couldn't know. Also, assassin would know there's not an interceptor, removing the possibility of a counterclaim. Honestly, I wouldn't be entirely surprised.

I think Kitsune's late addition of the driver confirms she is the interceptor, not that there was any serious doubt.

Ah yes, I forgot about that bit. Yeah, that makes it pretty much confirmed that she is interceptor. Thanks for clearing that up.

[TrPrado]

If Jamie's buddies tried signalling him it's pretty well concealed. I would've gotten to reading sooner but I took a lot of breaks from reading because my strategy of pulling up peterbot and using Ctrl+F to search for Jamie turned out to be super boring.

Candidates for possibility so far are Squigs, Bob, and Vapor.

[bozotheclown]

With Kitsune confirming damo was town, we are down to 11 town vs. 8 non-town.

Kitsune, Flavius, and dargorygel are town. xorxes is not mafia. rdrivera, Kalel, and BobMcBob all were quick to claim that they had town roles that Kitsune confirmed. I am not sure how good of an idea that was, but I doubt any of the non-town would do that as quickly as they did, so I am going to assume for now that they are town.

Since I am also town, that only leaves 4 town spots for 12 players. So there is a 2 in 3 chance that any of BionicMole, BunnyGo, Ezio, Jamie, Squigs, Temasek, TrPrado, Vaporwave, Vecna, worcej, and Ike are non-town, and a 3 in 7 chance that xorxes is a third party.

I have no idea who the last 4 town are.

With BunnyGo and worcej added to the town, that leaves only 2 town openings for Ezio, Squigs, Temasek, TrPrado, Vaporwave, Vecna, Ike, and xorxes.

My top assassin possibilities are:

1. Vecna: First, I think he is very unlikely to be town based on his lack of participation. Also, I think his lack of participation could be an attempt to avoid a mafia NK, since he is often an early NK target and as assassin he would have to survive to win.

2. TrPrado: Although he has been tunneling me, he defends just about anyone else, even with a high percentage of non-town in the game. He could be trying to avoid getting shot or lynched while having no real interest in solving the game.

3. xorxes: Just based on probability there is a 25% chance he is assassin. Since he can't be mafia, that leaves only four spot left, one of which is assassin.

[bozotheclown]

>.> you better prove tomorrow or your dying

Do we have town we want to call back?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gH2Z984lXWg

Call back BM.

He’s still on default Chameleon, which is town win condition.

Now he can’t flip, he has every reason in the world to act townclear and push for Town win which he would share.

Medium has two uses of his power, so if he survives can use the other on someone else (not me).

It has to be BionicMole or bo_sox.

[bozotheclown]

Are we sure BionicMole was still town? The role description says "If killed, you will appear to flip as the role that killed you." Since he was not killed by a role, it is not clear to me what we can tell by his reveal.

[TrPrado]

If Jamie's buddies tried signalling him it's pretty well concealed. I would've gotten to reading sooner but I took a lot of breaks from reading because my strategy of pulling up peterbot and using Ctrl+F to search for Jamie turned out to be super boring.

Candidates for possibility so far are Squigs, Bob, and Vapor.

Now, a note on this, Squigs definitely seems like the most likely candidate out of the three to have tried signalling Jamie, but the other two are arranged chronologically (all three are, but Squigs was both first and most likely)

Will delve deeper in the morning

[BobMcBob]

If Jamie's buddies tried signalling him it's pretty well concealed. I would've gotten to reading sooner but I took a lot of breaks from reading because my strategy of pulling up peterbot and using Ctrl+F to search for Jamie turned out to be super boring.

Candidates for possibility so far are Squigs, Bob, and Vapor.

Now, a note on this, Squigs definitely seems like the most likely candidate out of the three to have tried signalling Jamie, but the other two are arranged chronologically (all three are, but Squigs was both first and most likely)

Will delve deeper in the morning

I really hope you're not referring to me saying "hey mafia buddies" because that was just me making a joke about both darg and you being on at the same time as me (my mafia buddies from last game).

[BobMcBob]

Wait, when did worcej get almost clear? Am I missing something? DId Kitsune reveal or what?

[FlaviusAetius]

We have been revealing a number of roles and I feel this is the correct decision, however we do need to be mindful of the assassin who lucked out with Damo’s kill and may be closer to winning if we’ve revealed the wrong roles.

All players please post their top three assassin reads before EoN.

When the assassin gets a second kill from their list, the JOAT and (if this goes long enough) one-shot pistol should select a likely target from this list and fire, assuming that day’s lynch doesn’t catch him.

Getting this out there now, in case I’m silenced at EoN.

Remember mafia have as much as a want to go after the assasin as we do, so far they are down to two people who could be the assasin(since chameleon is now dead), so lets take note of that

[FlaviusAetius]

Wait, when did worcej get almost clear? Am I missing something? DId Kitsune reveal or what?

He's cleared because of something that I dont understand and we are just suppose to trust it

[FlaviusAetius]

Are we sure BionicMole was still town? The role description says "If killed, you will appear to flip as the role that killed you." Since he was not killed by a role, it is not clear to me what we can tell by his reveal.

Im not sure, when I was Chameleon I operated on the fact that I was just a town until told otherwise

[FlaviusAetius]

Also BTW sorry for being inactive today it took me three hours to get home from church, and I get car sick very easily(you can deduce what happened as a result)
and now I have to finish my essay that I have no idea how it got past me but it did and now its 3 30 and I'm halfway done
So fair warning in advance I'll probably be less active than usual tomorrow because I'll be super tired and basically a zombie RIPPPP