M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[Temasek22]

The bozo wagon looks more promising than the Bionic one imho

##vote bozo

[BobMcBob]

I see Bob lurking there. Vote Bozo with us, BobMcBobMcBobMcBob.

Why bozo? Can someone please explain the bozo wagon?

[Squigs44]

Squigs can you change your vote to Bozo, as well? I dont want the hammerer to control the day so keeping the votes a little close might be important

But Bozo is town...

Squigs, what's your case for this?

Mostly his day 1 play was much more active and involved than scum Bozo. Also, his persistence with TrPrado is townie to me. Mostly gut/meta.

[rdrivera2005]

I am at a soccer game, not sure if I can be around at EOD.

I still think Temasek is a good lynch.

[KalelChase]

Flav, I also think something appears 'fake' about Kalel. I still enjoy his posts but that doesn't mean anything when I constantly feel that he's self-controlling, he's robotic

Could be a personal style, that's why I'm not confident and I wanna let somebody else sort his alignment

Self-controlling and robotic is a great description of me. Fake would imply disingenuous, which I am not.

I am town, and am aware of one of the PM exchanges Kit knows about. I'm trying to help team town the only way I 'get' so far... by highlighting incidents that I think are relevant. I am not good at choosing who to vote for and trust Flav & Kit at this point.

As someone who was town last game and got targeted I've got some empathy for Mole, so want to put my vote somewhere else. Spreadsheet 2.0 is F'ed unless I go back and ISO everyone since the beginning of the game (not out of the question during the week, but weekends are tough).

So I'm on Bozo, but it's more gut than justified. I'll ISO him in the next 90 minutes as a safety measure, but don't plan on moving vote unless something glaring pops out.

Your empathy towards Mole implies that you know (or at least strongly think) that Mole is town. What is your read on Mole?

That last paragraph there I respect. I think you're wrong, but you following your gut read rather than a regurgitation of your spreadsheet I think is one of the more genuine things you have posted.

I personally think spreadsheets are limiting and would strongly suggest that new players (or anyone really) don't use them. But I understand why some people like them.

Actually my empathy is a bias that's getting in the way of me doing a solid read on Mole. Essentially in M49 I was new and started out exuberantly throwing myself out there and drew a lot of scumreads (I was town). So, and probably incorrectly, I'm matching moles behavior to my meta in M49. I'm not putting out a read on mole specifically because it will be untrustworthy.

[Jamiet99uk]

I see Bob lurking there. Vote Bozo with us, BobMcBobMcBobMcBob.

Why bozo? Can someone please explain the bozo wagon?

For me it's the way he spent D1 completely obsessed with mechanics, pushing his massclaim idea and then his "lead wagon must claim at 24hrs" idea, which he continued demanding people vote for / against way, way after the point it became clear that it didn't have a consensus and wasn't going to get one. Creating a while pile of posts and activity without creating very much *content* beyond the purely mechanical. Felt very scum Bozo to me, and nothing that's happened since, when Bozo has been less active, has changed my view.

Temasek looks scuzzy too, but Bozo seemed more likely to get moving as a wagon, and I don't want to lynch BionicMole because I don't think he scumslipped, and his responses feel genuine to me.

[KalelChase]

Sure - but in the past I've been told not to do this because it tells scum how not to behave. +1 is townie, -1 is Scum

I believe I was the one who told you not to tell scum to behave, so let me clarify:

DO NOT tell people the generals of your reads.
For example, do not say: People who advocate mass claims are townie.

DO tell people the specifics of your particular reads:
For example, say: I scumread [player] because when they argued that we shouldn't mass claim, their reasoning was not well thought out. Their point about [some argument] I found weak and inaccurate because in this post, "

" they argue the opposite. This contradiction makes it look like they don't actually think what they are arguing, and that they are just scared that through a mass claim they will be caught as scum.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, the distinction makes sense to me. Similar to conditional ethics it's the context. I'm sure the more I play the more I'll be able to be more specific.

I have to say that Kit, Bunny, Bob and even Bionic are so impressive to me since with the same or less experience they seem to be able to put together a more coherent syllogism than I can (no judgement on alignment). I get the impression they play these kinds of games face-to-face in real life (all I've ever done was bang).

[Ezio]

The case against bionic is the kind of typo scumslip I hate using, as his logic is still solid. I remember him having an argument with bunny that looked clearly like two townies (with these third parties I suppose one of them could be infector).

This bozo wagon is horrible as fuck.
Nobody has made a good case on him. If I'm wrong about bionic and he's actually mafia, this wagon looks like a clear scum counterwagon.

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh look, that weirdo Ezio is here.

Ezio, what have you contributed to this game? Why are you so crap? Why did you really pretend to be the RickRoller?

[Jamiet99uk]

The case against bionic is the kind of typo scumslip I hate using, as his logic is still solid. I remember him having an argument with bunny that looked clearly like two townies (with these third parties I suppose one of them could be infector).

This bozo wagon is horrible as fuck.
Nobody has made a good case on him. If I'm wrong about bionic and he's actually mafia, this wagon looks like a clear scum counterwagon.

Who are your top three scum reads, Ezio?

[FlaviusAetius]

Bunny is not mafia.

wowowowowoowowoowowoowowoow wait a bit

What are you concerned about? He isn’t mafia is nothing substance other than a statement of fact.

Agreed

[Ezio]

I'm going to ##vote vecna. This is largely for Meta reasons. He normally takes a far more active role in leading the town, and at the very least he spouts lots of useful tidbits useful for town.

[BunnyGo]

The case against bionic is the kind of typo scumslip I hate using, as his logic is still solid. I remember him having an argument with bunny that looked clearly like two townies (with these third parties I suppose one of them could be infector).

This bozo wagon is horrible as fuck.
Nobody has made a good case on him. If I'm wrong about bionic and he's actually mafia, this wagon looks like a clear scum counterwagon.

I could see that. But his response to the whole thing felt off to me. Maybe I’m wrong.

I’m back. What did I miss?

I see Vaporwave and worcej met, thanks for standing up for me. I stand by my claim about worcej being town clear.

[BunnyGo]

Here’s why I’m staying on bionic: I know 5/6 (all but squig) currently on the wagon aren’t mafia. Seems the correct wagon to me.

[FlaviusAetius]

The case against bionic is the kind of typo scumslip I hate using, as his logic is still solid. I remember him having an argument with bunny that looked clearly like two townies (with these third parties I suppose one of them could be infector).

This bozo wagon is horrible as fuck.
Nobody has made a good case on him. If I'm wrong about bionic and he's actually mafia, this wagon looks like a clear scum counterwagon.

LIAR
YOU WERE THE THIRD PERSON TO COME ONTO MY WAGON DAY 1
???
YOU ARE A SCUM

[Vecna]

##vote Bozo

[Jamiet99uk]

Here’s why I’m staying on bionic: I know 5/6 (all but squig) currently on the wagon aren’t mafia. Seems the correct wagon to me.

You're scum, then?

No town could have this level of certainty at this point.

[Jamiet99uk]

BunnyGo claims to know 5 town, for certain.

Very suspect.

[BunnyGo]

Here’s why I’m staying on bionic: I know 5/6 (all but squig) currently on the wagon aren’t mafia. Seems the correct wagon to me.

You're scum, then?

No town could have this level of certainty at this point.

Xorxes is not mafia may be 3P
Worcej is townclear to me
Kit and darg are hardclaim with evidence and no counter
And me. I’m Town.

[BunnyGo]

Here’s why I’m staying on bionic: I know 5/6 (all but squig) currently on the wagon aren’t mafia. Seems the correct wagon to me.

You're scum, then?

No town could have this level of certainty at this point.

Xorxes is not mafia may be 3P
Worcej is townclear to me
Kit and darg are hardclaim with evidence and no counter
And me. I’m Town.

The only ones not known to all are me and worcej.