M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[BunnyGo]

@Prado, you really don't think someone you described as "trying to learn" and having some progression, why wasn't he trying to learn at all in the night?

A noob town would be on here asking lots of questions, having to be told to shut up and not help scum when it's night, etc. etc. For references see: BunnyGo, Kalel, and others.

A noob scum wouldn't understand that. They're too busy learning in scumchat.

The statement this is NAI is shocking as it's literally one of the most commonly used AI errors noob scum do until they're coached.

He's a low volume poster. There could be a thousand reasons he had fewer posts in the night and no one will be able to confirm or verify any of them. It doesn't matter. Scum can forget there's a QT and only post in the main thread. Town can be busy. He was also gone for the "Flavius scumslip" fiasco. Trying to call it alignment indicative is jumping the gun.

I am capable of reading it. How would you rate it?

More specifically, I want you to consider if he says what he means in general. Because there's another scum slip I want to point out that hasn't been focused on yet but relies on how much you trust it to not be a typo.

I am capable of reading it. How would you rate it?

Mostly on point. I only found one time where he said something where a letter missing severely changes the meaning of his message. It's the lesser read first part of the "scum slip" post. See if you can spot it.

[FlaviusAetius]

Interesting.
I was thinking that I would keep my power quiet and use it night after night. But this revelation does give town info that we can use to do some deducing.

I am also not available tomorrow much... Typical for my weekend.

But I believe damo was scum. And he tried to kill xorxes.

I switched xorxes and Dani around. I expected xorxes to be NK Ed. I was right.

The odd thing I can't. Connect yet is the assassin. Town put your big brain's on this.

Xorxes I am sorry if I wrecked your game again.

What are you trying to figure out about the assassin?

I mean both mafia and town have an incentive to go after assasin, so it shouldnt really matter why, we should all work together on that one

[Temasek22]

I have just reread Bionic and he feels more towny than scummy. However, for whatever reason almost everyone feels towny for some reason, so I'm probs doing something wrong here

[BunnyGo]

Mostly on point. I only found one time where he said something where a letter missing severely changes the meaning of his message. It's the lesser read first part of the "scum slip" post. See if you can spot it.

I'll give you a hint. In the xorxes quote he uses, the letter is there, but he removes it at every chance. And it really matters.

[TrPrado]

@Prado, you really don't think someone you described as "trying to learn" and having some progression, why wasn't he trying to learn at all in the night?

A noob town would be on here asking lots of questions, having to be told to shut up and not help scum when it's night, etc. etc. For references see: BunnyGo, Kalel, and others.

A noob scum wouldn't understand that. They're too busy learning in scumchat.

The statement this is NAI is shocking as it's literally one of the most commonly used AI errors noob scum do until they're coached.

He's a low volume poster. There could be a thousand reasons he had fewer posts in the night and no one will be able to confirm or verify any of them. It doesn't matter. Scum can forget there's a QT and only post in the main thread. Town can be busy. He was also gone for the "Flavius scumslip" fiasco. Trying to call it alignment indicative is jumping the gun.

More specifically, I want you to consider if he says what he means in general. Because there's another scum slip I want to point out that hasn't been focused on yet but relies on how much you trust it to not be a typo.

I am capable of reading it. How would you rate it?

Mostly on point. I only found one time where he said something where a letter missing severely changes the meaning of his message. It's the lesser read first part of the "scum slip" post. See if you can spot it.

No, as a matter of fact it looks LESS like a scumslip right now because xorxes LITERALLY SUGGESTED in the post that Bionic was quoting that damo was swapped by driver.

[TrPrado]

Mostly on point. I only found one time where he said something where a letter missing severely changes the meaning of his message. It's the lesser read first part of the "scum slip" post. See if you can spot it.

I'll give you a hint. In the xorxes quote he uses, the letter is there, but he removes it at every chance. And it really matters.

Persons vs person.

Nothing changes. When being presented with the premise damo was one and agreeing with that premise, it is a perfectly sensible choice to make. He doesn't indicate that he knew xorxes was the one capable of confirming and was simply asking how that other person would be capable of going about confirming.

[BunnyGo]

No. Bionic is somebody who is easy to understand. Has nitpicked question. Takes notes, and has been precise.

Xorxes clearly said "possibility". And as much as I dislike many of his outlandish logical sherlock holmesian "possibilities" he is very clear that's all it is.

Bionic makes two mistakes:

1) changes persons to person. He knows there's only one driven person left.

2) He doesn't present xorxes possibility as an option, he presents it as "safely assume".

In no other post is Bionic anything but precise. I just went through to find one other slip, there aren't any. He looks up the rules, takes meticulous notes, and is very clear on logical inferences. He didn't screw up that at all, so he clearly understands the difference between a possibility and "safely assume"

[BionicMole]

And I was (and still am a bit) trying to push xorxes off a cliff for that one. I thought it was stupid then. And it still has my rabbit ears twitching.

What's you specific problem with Bionic's wagon? You think what he said wasn't shady? You know something else? You have a really strong read on him?

The difference in my mind between this slip and the last "slip" (which you'll notice I never joined or believed. I didn't really think the wagon made sense at all until he claimed) was that this one wasn't under duress. No pressure. Just freely saying what he's thinking "wow...our target wasn't killed, they gotta be worried, ayup."

No, I don't think it was shady. I'm starting to look back at Bionic's iso because of it now, but so far he doesn't look scummy, and this post absolutely sounds like the sort of thing I'd see newb town say not thinking whether it looked bad.

As a separate tangent, that idea itself points to Bionic may well not being scum. New scum are more self consciously wanting to not look bad. Does that Bionic quote look like playing close to the chest to you? It doesn't to me.

OK, let's ISO him. What do you think of his prodigious drop off in posts during N1 and then back up again in day? Does that seem like noob town play or noob scum play? hmm?

First of all, I appreciate your support TrPrado. You have said alot of the things I want to but sound 1000 times better coming from someone else.

[TrPrado]

No. Bionic is somebody who is easy to understand. Has nitpicked question. Takes notes, and has been precise.

Xorxes clearly said "possibility". And as much as I dislike many of his outlandish logical sherlock holmesian "possibilities" he is very clear that's all it is.

Bionic makes two mistakes:

1) changes persons to person. He knows there's only one driven person left.

2) He doesn't present xorxes possibility as an option, he presents it as "safely assume".

In no other post is Bionic anything but precise. I just went through to find one other slip, there aren't any. He looks up the rules, takes meticulous notes, and is very clear on logical inferences. He didn't screw up that at all, so he clearly understands the difference between a possibility and "safely assume"

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[FlaviusAetius]

xorxes would have to have shot himself to be assassin, I imagine, but I suppose it is possible for him to be other 3P though

Explain this please.

The way I've read the assassin role is the assassin themselves has to kill their own targets, so seeing damo dying, seeing the message an assassin target has been killed, and now knowing damo and xorxes were flipped, I would imagine that if xorxes were the assassin he would have to have shot himself.

Nah, assasin shoots and if he shoots correct he gets another bullet. If not, he has to try to get those rules somehow killed before he does

[BunnyGo]

No. Bionic is somebody who is easy to understand. Has nitpicked question. Takes notes, and has been precise.

Xorxes clearly said "possibility". And as much as I dislike many of his outlandish logical sherlock holmesian "possibilities" he is very clear that's all it is.

Bionic makes two mistakes:

1) changes persons to person. He knows there's only one driven person left.

2) He doesn't present xorxes possibility as an option, he presents it as "safely assume".

In no other post is Bionic anything but precise. I just went through to find one other slip, there aren't any. He looks up the rules, takes meticulous notes, and is very clear on logical inferences. He didn't screw up that at all, so he clearly understands the difference between a possibility and "safely assume"

https://pics.me.me/thumb_thisisaload-of ... 330097.png

Whatever man, I wonder what his own spreadsheet says about this now. I'm guessing he's negative in both and should therefor vote to lynch himself.

[BionicMole]

@Prado, you really don't think someone you described as "trying to learn" and having some progression, why wasn't he trying to learn at all in the night?

A noob town would be on here asking lots of questions, having to be told to shut up and not help scum when it's night, etc. etc. For references see: BunnyGo, Kalel, and others.

A noob scum wouldn't understand that. They're too busy learning in scumchat.

The statement this is NAI is shocking as it's literally one of the most commonly used AI errors noob scum do until they're coached.

So every single noob town would be on the Night Phase asking a million questions? And furthermore, I was present and reading through the 1500 messages from the first day.

[FlaviusAetius]

Also, what the fuck is going on with this top wagon? Most of the speculation of the day has revolved around this assumption that damo may not have been the intended NK target, but once we've confirmed that driver was in play and Bionic restates that sentiment it's suddenly a scumslip?

facts I dont even understand this bionic scumslip thing, but it doesnt really make any sense to me anyways, we should really stop relying on scumslips, I might be a tad bit biased, but they dont seem to have a good track record so far, especially in a game so complicated with so many roles, give people the benefit of the doubt

[FlaviusAetius]

Also, what the fuck is going on with this top wagon? Most of the speculation of the day has revolved around this assumption that damo may not have been the intended NK target, but once we've confirmed that driver was in play and Bionic restates that sentiment it's suddenly a scumslip?

I can see nowhere in the thread (from my reading at least) where there was any confirmation that the driver had swapped the NK target. So how could mole safely assume the target was swapped?

And unless this IS in fact an elaborate hoax by Kit, we can also safely assume the NK was meant for the swapped person. And that person should be a little nervous knowing that the NK was meant for them.

How on earth could BM be able to safely assume this? I may be wrong, and there is the case of Flav's "scumslip" already, but this seems suspicious.

Probably for similar reasons everyone thought he was magnet until Kitsune said it was impossible? If Bionic had namedropped xorxes or something like that I'd find this push reasonable. And around the top of the same page the quote happened, Kitsune revealed that the driver was in play, which opened up a possibility to confirm what most everyone else believed.

This is honestly super confusing Im trying to read everything and Im just lost, I have no idea what is going on anymore

[FlaviusAetius]

Should we also assume that xorxes got the item from the smith? I mean...why not? we know there's an item smith and we know there's a xorxes!

oh my god XDDDDD

[FlaviusAetius]

Also, I'm regretting not putting more information into my EoN PM to the GM's. I totally forgot about the interceptor while doing it (honestly, I haven't looked over the entire roles doc for a while). Otherwise I could have got clear. Kit, do you have any idea which one I am? Don't state my role though.

WHAT THE F*#( ARE YOU DOING??!?! HAVE WE NOT REVEALED ENOUGH TO THE ASSASSIN ALREADY?!

The more and more we reveal the more and more the assasin has a chance at doing things, I just really hope the assasin isnt xorxes because then we are screwed, I hope its someone like me who is really struggling connecting the dots

[TrPrado]

Explain this please.

The way I've read the assassin role is the assassin themselves has to kill their own targets, so seeing damo dying, seeing the message an assassin target has been killed, and now knowing damo and xorxes were flipped, I would imagine that if xorxes were the assassin he would have to have shot himself.

Nah, assasin shoots and if he shoots correct he gets another bullet. If not, he has to try to get those rules somehow killed before he does

The phrase that gets me thinking assassin has to be the one to kill them is "upon completion of your contract"

[Squigs44]

Bionic, a few questions (Prado dont answer these)

Do you know why people think you may have scum slipped?
Were you making any assumptions in your "scum slip" post?
If so, why did you make those assumptions?

[FlaviusAetius]

xd sincerely doubt thats true

No, it's definitely not fake roles. I know because mine is on the list. She's either interceptor or assassin (or she's made a lot of lucky guesses). Technically omniscient is possible too, but I'm not sure why you'd claim interceptor then.

Stop talking. Just...just...

PSA PEOPLE: THERE IS STILL AN ASSASSIN OUT THERE. STOP TELLING US WHO YOU ARE!

Assasin already knows all the roles, us knowing all the roles isnt going to change anything, actually it would put us on the same level playing field with mafia and assasin. It'd also help chameleon and infector to help us. So if there's someone who knows all the roles, spit it out, and only label townclears nothing more nothing less

[FlaviusAetius]

The way I've read the assassin role is the assassin themselves has to kill their own targets, so seeing damo dying, seeing the message an assassin target has been killed, and now knowing damo and xorxes were flipped, I would imagine that if xorxes were the assassin he would have to have shot himself.

Nah, assasin shoots and if he shoots correct he gets another bullet. If not, he has to try to get those rules somehow killed before he does

The phrase that gets me thinking assassin has to be the one to kill them is "upon completion of your contract"

The contract is the death of three people, how they die doesnt really matter