M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[BunnyGo]

Can I just say how much better it’s been with Ike here instead of yuuki? I’m really glad we made this switch.

Thats a joke right, because Ike came in and left its pretty sad he's gonna have to be replaced now too

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[BobMcBob]

A heroine appears on the scene

I'm glad I trusted you, Kit

Maybe she's making the whole thing up and she is just listing all her fellow scum fake roles, have you considered that?

xd sincerely doubt thats true

No, it's definitely not fake roles. I know because mine is on the list. She's either interceptor or assassin (or she's made a lot of lucky guesses). Technically omniscient is possible too, but I'm not sure why you'd claim interceptor then.

[BunnyGo]

Maybe she's making the whole thing up and she is just listing all her fellow scum fake roles, have you considered that?

xd sincerely doubt thats true

No, it's definitely not fake roles. I know because mine is on the list. She's either interceptor or assassin (or she's made a lot of lucky guesses). Technically omniscient is possible too, but I'm not sure why you'd claim interceptor then.

Stop talking. Just...just...

PSA PEOPLE: THERE IS STILL AN ASSASSIN OUT THERE. STOP TELLING US WHO YOU ARE!

[BobMcBob]

xd sincerely doubt thats true

No, it's definitely not fake roles. I know because mine is on the list. She's either interceptor or assassin (or she's made a lot of lucky guesses). Technically omniscient is possible too, but I'm not sure why you'd claim interceptor then.

Stop talking. Just...just...

PSA PEOPLE: THERE IS STILL AN ASSASSIN OUT THERE. STOP TELLING US WHO YOU ARE!

I'm not telling who I am exactly. I won't reveal any more information about my role, but I don't think this is likely to get me killed. There's 5 or 6 roles I could still possibly be, and it's unlikely I'm a target in the first place. Unless I've given something else away... I'll change topic now.

[Temasek22]

Since you aren’t sharing all the content, can you share the following? What roles did you NOT see PMs for? Maybe there’s no medium? Or Cyan Cat?

She shouldn't. They are most likely scum fake claims and she should probs reveal after scum fake claims, catching scum.

You think if they will leave her alive if she has more info that might harm them, I’m surprised. I can understand not sharing intel that someone else already knows (the content of one specific PM) but going to her grave with the aggregate? I think you’re waaaaaay off here. If they want to lie later? They’ll off her and we won’t have anything.

I'm sorry for that, a horrible miscalculation.

[Temasek22]

Also, the way this is going on, the assassin will probs win and we all lose, goddammit.

[TrPrado]

Bionic is low substance generally, but you can see him getting out points and trying to articulate ideas of things he finds odd.

I'm going to vote for Ezio just because I can't come up with a good reason a townie would put that out there without trying to hide it. If we are wrong then we will know soon enough.

##Ezio

You're a troll. I don't understand how you can "hear rumors".

...and caught doing what exactly?

Based on previous encounters, I don't think Vapourwave is a troll. It's just that English is his third language.

And he only speaks one language.

Haha Jamie, now that is funny!

But yea, go back and read Vapor's post. Always pointing fingers and "reading" people without actually saying anything else.

And this seems like one of those post to get a reaction out of me. Now I don't know all about the meta for this and meta for that, but that behavior seems kinda scumy to me.

So instead of randomly pointing fingers at people with no basis, can we get back to the lecture at hand and find the bad guys?

I said I wasn't 100% convinced that Ezio is the hammer and wanted to hear what he had to say about his strategy before I made a final decision. I am with Vapor on this and need a little more explanation on what he wanted to find out and what he actually did find out.

I'm still trying to work out how to read roles and things like that so I can be more helpful in the hunt.

I am going to hold my vote in place for the moment because my gut tells me Ezio might be the Tanner trying to get shot to meet his win criteria, although I would rather vote with my head instead of my gut.

If I do change my vote it would create a tie and there would be no harm, no foul. I have read in my preparation for this, my first game, that a "nolynch" is not a desirable outcome because it does not provide any new information. I would love to hear some experienced opinions on how a "nolynch" would affect the outcome of EOD1.

These all being from D1. He seems like someone who wants to learn. He seems very inexperienced, so we should also take a look at his progression over the course of the game. It's the biggest thing scum can't fake. It's easy to read when a player is either not learning and picking up information, or when they're learning too fast and clearly being coached. So from D2 (N1 negligible because he only had 3 non-substantive posts) we have posts like:

They have only one janitor use though. Why this one?

Janitoring the first kill is usually the best mafia strategy because it hides the most info from town. I think they are also likely to have stolen his role.

I was just about to say something to this affect myself...

Something else that strikes me as odd, in message 1376 you (xorxes) said rivera 's scum MO is to bus, then in message 1460 he said,
"I am starting to think Temasek rolled scum again, he wasn't so shy as town."

Unless, like stated earlier Damo was the Magnet and activated.

Yes, damo as magnet does make sense. It would also explain why damo was not very active D1, if he was planning on drawing the NK to himself with the doctor gone.

If this is the case it is a good play considering that there is a good chance the Janitor will be used on Day 1 and it is a pretty good counter to it, but if he were the Magnate wouldn't he want to claim his roll at the last minute before EON to alleviate some of our guessing his roll?

Why would scum pile on the NK?

Also, naming your stolen role is problematic for assassin. Simply saying “role thief” seems ok on its face.

Good question.

And I do have an awful feeling the assassin wants Naruto Runner dead and is just biding his time until he knows the other target.

But if we're that unlucky we may as well yield now.

Anyway yeah, I'm trying to understand why a town player would not announce he'd been roleblocked or role thiefed.

I don't see a reason unless they're dead or not town.

So... maybe I'm wrong and the anti-encryptor did do their magic last night?

If all the Mafia had was an updated vote list, they could have all gone for damo based on that.

Or they hit a 3P role and the Assassin or nk-Tanner/Infector/Chameleon don't mind them knowing their role as the Mafia are likely to leave them alive as extra cover right now?

if the AE did use his one time power, would it be a good play to claim that?

and then obviously

I received PM confirmation of the Driver power at work, which presumably means the swapped persons and the driver can confirm this took place last night.

The swapped persons should keep quiet for now in case someone claims Driver and needs to be confirmed.

This opens up the possibility that damo was driven after all and the bullet was meant for someone else.

Just wondering how the swapped person could confirm who the driver is? They would only be able to confirm the swap happened. Am I correct in assuming that?

And unless this IS in fact an elaborate hoax by Kit, we can also safely assume the NK was meant for the swapped person. And that person should be a little nervous knowing that the NK was meant for them.

When I read all of this the progression feels natural. Sure there isn't a lot of it, but it's D2, and there has been SOME. Mark him down officially as a town read of mine.

[BunnyGo]

So will all the people who made that assumption before driver was ever confirmed to be in the game also be getting the same scrutiny? Will the people who suggested damo was the magnet?

And I was (and still am a bit) trying to push xorxes off a cliff for that one. I thought it was stupid then. And it still has my rabbit ears twitching.

What's you specific problem with Bionic's wagon? You think what he said wasn't shady? You know something else? You have a really strong read on him?

The difference in my mind between this slip and the last "slip" (which you'll notice I never joined or believed. I didn't really think the wagon made sense at all until he claimed) was that this one wasn't under duress. No pressure. Just freely saying what he's thinking "wow...our target wasn't killed, they gotta be worried, ayup."

No, I don't think it was shady. I'm starting to look back at Bionic's iso because of it now, but so far he doesn't look scummy, and this post absolutely sounds like the sort of thing I'd see newb town say not thinking whether it looked bad.

As a separate tangent, that idea itself points to Bionic may well not being scum. New scum are more self consciously wanting to not look bad. Does that Bionic quote look like playing close to the chest to you? It doesn't to me.

OK, let's ISO him. What do you think of his prodigious drop off in posts during N1 and then back up again in day? Does that seem like noob town play or noob scum play? hmm?

[Temasek22]

@Prado, to prevent quoting that entire post

That sounds really logical, I nearly put forth yet another vote for the poor guy, but I think you're right. Bionic does feel really natural, a new with good progress.

[TrPrado]

And I was (and still am a bit) trying to push xorxes off a cliff for that one. I thought it was stupid then. And it still has my rabbit ears twitching.

What's you specific problem with Bionic's wagon? You think what he said wasn't shady? You know something else? You have a really strong read on him?

The difference in my mind between this slip and the last "slip" (which you'll notice I never joined or believed. I didn't really think the wagon made sense at all until he claimed) was that this one wasn't under duress. No pressure. Just freely saying what he's thinking "wow...our target wasn't killed, they gotta be worried, ayup."

No, I don't think it was shady. I'm starting to look back at Bionic's iso because of it now, but so far he doesn't look scummy, and this post absolutely sounds like the sort of thing I'd see newb town say not thinking whether it looked bad.

As a separate tangent, that idea itself points to Bionic may well not being scum. New scum are more self consciously wanting to not look bad. Does that Bionic quote look like playing close to the chest to you? It doesn't to me.

OK, let's ISO him. What do you think of his prodigious drop off in posts during N1 and then back up again in day? Does that seem like noob town play or noob scum play? hmm?

Newb NAI play if you really pressed me on it.

[BunnyGo]

Also @Prado how would you rate Bionic's grammar?

[Temasek22]

And I was (and still am a bit) trying to push xorxes off a cliff for that one. I thought it was stupid then. And it still has my rabbit ears twitching.

What's you specific problem with Bionic's wagon? You think what he said wasn't shady? You know something else? You have a really strong read on him?

The difference in my mind between this slip and the last "slip" (which you'll notice I never joined or believed. I didn't really think the wagon made sense at all until he claimed) was that this one wasn't under duress. No pressure. Just freely saying what he's thinking "wow...our target wasn't killed, they gotta be worried, ayup."

No, I don't think it was shady. I'm starting to look back at Bionic's iso because of it now, but so far he doesn't look scummy, and this post absolutely sounds like the sort of thing I'd see newb town say not thinking whether it looked bad.

As a separate tangent, that idea itself points to Bionic may well not being scum. New scum are more self consciously wanting to not look bad. Does that Bionic quote look like playing close to the chest to you? It doesn't to me.

OK, let's ISO him. What do you think of his prodigious drop off in posts during N1 and then back up again in day? Does that seem like noob town play or noob scum play? hmm?

How can a play be both noob Town and noob scum?!

[TrPrado]

Also @Prado how would you rate Bionic's grammar?

I am capable of reading it. How would you rate it?

[BunnyGo]

@Prado, you really don't think someone you described as "trying to learn" and having some progression, why wasn't he trying to learn at all in the night?

A noob town would be on here asking lots of questions, having to be told to shut up and not help scum when it's night, etc. etc. For references see: BunnyGo, Kalel, and others.

A noob scum wouldn't understand that. They're too busy learning in scumchat.

The statement this is NAI is shocking as it's literally one of the most commonly used AI errors noob scum do until they're coached.

[BunnyGo]

Also @Prado how would you rate Bionic's grammar?

I am capable of reading it. How would you rate it?

More specifically, I want you to consider if he says what he means in general. Because there's another scum slip I want to point out that hasn't been focused on yet but relies on how much you trust it to not be a typo.

[BunnyGo]

No, I don't think it was shady. I'm starting to look back at Bionic's iso because of it now, but so far he doesn't look scummy, and this post absolutely sounds like the sort of thing I'd see newb town say not thinking whether it looked bad.

As a separate tangent, that idea itself points to Bionic may well not being scum. New scum are more self consciously wanting to not look bad. Does that Bionic quote look like playing close to the chest to you? It doesn't to me.

OK, let's ISO him. What do you think of his prodigious drop off in posts during N1 and then back up again in day? Does that seem like noob town play or noob scum play? hmm?

How can a play be both noob Town and noob scum?!

"Or" in this context is short for "is it <A> or <B>"

[FlaviusAetius]

Another note: Kitsune could be pulling this off as well (assassin would know the roles and could guess at actions) but would be hard to know the driver messages were sent late.

Possibly, so no one should reveal further roles anyways, also the real interceptor would also counter claim sooo unlikely honestly

[TrPrado]

@Prado, you really don't think someone you described as "trying to learn" and having some progression, why wasn't he trying to learn at all in the night?

A noob town would be on here asking lots of questions, having to be told to shut up and not help scum when it's night, etc. etc. For references see: BunnyGo, Kalel, and others.

A noob scum wouldn't understand that. They're too busy learning in scumchat.

The statement this is NAI is shocking as it's literally one of the most commonly used AI errors noob scum do until they're coached.

He's a low volume poster. There could be a thousand reasons he had fewer posts in the night and no one will be able to confirm or verify any of them. It doesn't matter. Scum can forget there's a QT and only post in the main thread. Town can be busy. He was also gone for the "Flavius scumslip" fiasco. Trying to call it alignment indicative is jumping the gun.

Also @Prado how would you rate Bionic's grammar?

I am capable of reading it. How would you rate it?

More specifically, I want you to consider if he says what he means in general. Because there's another scum slip I want to point out that hasn't been focused on yet but relies on how much you trust it to not be a typo.

I am capable of reading it. How would you rate it?

[Temasek22]

OK, let's ISO him. What do you think of his prodigious drop off in posts during N1 and then back up again in day? Does that seem like noob town play or noob scum play? hmm?

How can a play be both noob Town and noob scum?!

"Or" in this context is short for "is it <A> or <B>"

Oh, misworded it. I meant that most plays are either decent scum play/horrible town play or decent town play/horrible scum play

[Temasek22]

@Prado, you really don't think someone you described as "trying to learn" and having some progression, why wasn't he trying to learn at all in the night?

A noob town would be on here asking lots of questions, having to be told to shut up and not help scum when it's night, etc. etc. For references see: BunnyGo, Kalel, and others.

A noob scum wouldn't understand that. They're too busy learning in scumchat.

The statement this is NAI is shocking as it's literally one of the most commonly used AI errors noob scum do until they're coached.

I was noob scum in M48, and I fully agree