M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[xorxes]

to elaborate to drive the point home: As scum you damn well know what youre doing wrong to get all the scrutiny. Because youre a scummy fucker. You dont go openly semi-whine mode "what do I keep doing wrong". That just comes off as genuine sadness about you being wronged.

I'm conflicted now. I think Vecna is exactly right about this, and I was townreading Tem before. But I'm trusting Kit.

@Kit: is your certainty about Tem based entirely on your reads, or is there something more?

[FlaviusAetius]

sigh fine if none of you want to join me on Ezio, I will be moving my vote to rdrivera;

#vote rdrivera

[xorxes]

I do not think it is important right now to know whether damo was the magnet. We know the janitor activated to clean up the mafia night kill, so if damo was not the magnet, we know he was the mafia NK target or was driven with the mafia NK target. Also, it is possible the role thief has his power for N2.

It's also possible damo was the Bodyguard, and failed to kill the attacker because the attacker was doc-saved by the JOAT. That's convoluted but I think a possible result.

AND janitor going to bodyguard instead of target? I don’t believe that is possible.

Good point.

[xorxes]

Don't lynch Temasek, this is my 1st Golden read so to speak. The guy is not scum

What about Kit's certainty about Tem being scum? Is she just exaggerating?

[xorxes]

Not gonna lie, xorxes seems like the tanner to me, he knows what he's doing and he's doing it anyways. Scum xorxes wouldn't just randomly not follow his meta, he always acts as a leader no matter what. Randomly changing that 100% seems like he's trying to attract a lynch

The last thing the Tanner wants is to get lynched. They want to die in any other way than a lynch, They lose if they are lynched.

[BionicMole]

Honestly? I don't remember writing that...

...and you don't remember writing this??
scum points in my book

No, not remembering is town points.

The only scumpoint part is the use of the word "honestly", but maybe that's too oldschool.

Thanks X, but I'm writing my own book. If you read it in context, seems pretty shady to me.

Oh yea, minus 1 Tpoint for you

[Vaporwave]

You broke my heart.

You're breaking my heart now

First rdrivera, now xorxes

I'm officially this game's heartbreaker

[FlaviusAetius]

Not gonna lie, xorxes seems like the tanner to me, he knows what he's doing and he's doing it anyways. Scum xorxes wouldn't just randomly not follow his meta, he always acts as a leader no matter what. Randomly changing that 100% seems like he's trying to attract a lynch

The last thing the Tanner wants is to get lynched. They want to die in any other way than a lynch, They lose if they are lynched.

Good point, so then why did anyone think Ezio was a tanner then?

[FlaviusAetius]

Not gonna lie, xorxes seems like the tanner to me, he knows what he's doing and he's doing it anyways. Scum xorxes wouldn't just randomly not follow his meta, he always acts as a leader no matter what. Randomly changing that 100% seems like he's trying to attract a lynch

The last thing the Tanner wants is to get lynched. They want to die in any other way than a lynch, They lose if they are lynched.

Also during this entire game you have been silent, agreeing with people, not really arguing your own unique points, at all, very unlike you. Then when people started to criticize you for it, you went on a flurry of comments. why the sudden change?

[xorxes]

Which would require some sort of crumb?
Or just his half-involved grumpiness?

I think this is the best argument against damo being the Magnet. There was a good chance he would be killed if he activated and there was no bodyguard/doc-save, so he would have left some indication that he was the magnet and I can't find any.

100% agree, makes me question why xorxes didnt find this out, and instead pushed that damo is magnet

How did I push he was the magnet? I pointed out it was one possibility, it wasn't even the first possibility I thought of.

[Vaporwave]

Don't lynch Temasek, this is my 1st Golden read so to speak. The guy is not scum

What about Kit's certainty about Tem being scum? Is she just exaggerating?

She might feel very strongly about it, but she doesn't have that much experience with Temasek unless.. I'll stop talking now

[xorxes]

Oh right. Vote Tem guys.

I’m confident enough in that that, if he flips town I’ll vote Kit tomorrow as too badly incriminated to be of further use to town.

I know I have two ISOs to respond to. I’ll hopefully have time after class tonight.

I'm going to ##VOTE Temasek as a vote of confidence in Kitsune at this point. May still change my mind.

No arguments once again, just agreeing with things people already said, and rewordin them, or not even putting in that effort and just agreeing them with them outright. Hello Mr. Tanner

I have no arguments against Tem other than that Kit implied she has some information and that she is also certain that Tem is scum.

[xorxes]

Don't want to say it, but it's needed. I try to avoid bumping into him, but he's still in the game so his input and presence is required.

I'm disliking this guy, but he's a player with a big mouth in general.

Jamie needs to post and take the bull by the horn, something feels 'off' about him

A candidate for a scan or for a vig/joat shot, imo

10000000000% agree, Jamie is big sus right now, he's done a lot of mixed things and now has fallen off the face of the earth, makes you wonder whats up

I want to hear from him. When he was here he sounded towny but it's strange for him to be away so much.

[BunnyGo]

Isn't this the same thing as Cyan Cat claiming for themselves? Don't get me wrong Flav is the best person Nyan Cat could tell, but I don't think Flav should out them.

Simply claiming a role is different than someone confirming you did what your role can do.

Yeah, I thought about it. The big danger of a full 'outing' is if Cat is on the Assassin list. It's been strongly recommend to me against claiming for that very reason. Are you not so sensitive to that Bunny? You're plan advocates Flav outing Cat, correct? Isn't that falling into the Assassin's hands, or do you think it's worth it to take the risk that The Cat isn't one of the other two targets?

As a team, we also need aware that if we make too good of use of the Flav townclear then they may NK him. Which would shorten the pay-off value of the sacrifice we forced him to make for us. It might be a good idea to have a couple of other hard (or even confirmed claims) to protect him...
It would have to be one-shot PRs, and then, as usual, I come back to the damn assassin and the advice I was given.

Did I not literally write exactly that when I first started this thread? Are you literate or just a troll?

[BunnyGo]

Isn't this the same thing as Cyan Cat claiming for themselves? Don't get me wrong Flav is the best person Nyan Cat could tell, but I don't think Flav should out them.

Simply claiming a role is different than someone confirming you did what your role can do.

Yeah, I thought about it. The big danger of a full 'outing' is if Cat is on the Assassin list. It's been strongly recommend to me against claiming for that very reason. Are you not so sensitive to that Bunny? You're plan advocates Flav outing Cat, correct? Isn't that falling into the Assassin's hands, or do you think it's worth it to take the risk that The Cat isn't one of the other two targets?

As a team, we also need aware that if we make too good of use of the Flav townclear then they may NK him. Which would shorten the pay-off value of the sacrifice we forced him to make for us. It might be a good idea to have a couple of other hard (or even confirmed claims) to protect him...
It would have to be one-shot PRs, and then, as usual, I come back to the damn assassin and the advice I was given.

Did I not literally write exactly that when I first started this thread? Are you literate or just a troll?

[KalelChase]

Haven't done any ISOs yet, this is all from recent and past posting:

Town(ish): bozo, BunnyG, dargo, Squigs, Temasek, Kit, Prado

Still not convinced, but a slight town smell: Bionic

Demoted to possible scum: Bob, Kalel

Not sure what to make of these: Ezio, rivera, Vecna, worcej, Ike

Scum/3rd party stinking pile: Jamie, xorxes

Vapor, can I ask what demoted me?

It's not set in stone, Kalel. I still feel positive towards you, it's just that I'm second-guessing myself, whenever I feel so great about someone, it turns out that I'm wrong. I have had no doubts about your townie posts and this worries me. Are you actually town or mafia/3rd party that tries his best to blend in?

Check, appreciated. Just deleted a whole paragraph self-analyzing my town meta across the two games... Focusing on the scumhunt.

[FlaviusAetius]

I think you and kalel both agree with each other bunny :p no need to argue about it

[KalelChase]

Simply claiming a role is different than someone confirming you did what your role can do.

Yeah, I thought about it. The big danger of a full 'outing' is if Cat is on the Assassin list. It's been strongly recommend to me against claiming for that very reason. Are you not so sensitive to that Bunny? You're plan advocates Flav outing Cat, correct? Isn't that falling into the Assassin's hands, or do you think it's worth it to take the risk that The Cat isn't one of the other two targets?

As a team, we also need aware that if we make too good of use of the Flav townclear then they may NK him. Which would shorten the pay-off value of the sacrifice we forced him to make for us. It might be a good idea to have a couple of other hard (or even confirmed claims) to protect him...
It would have to be one-shot PRs, and then, as usual, I come back to the damn assassin and the advice I was given.

Did I not literally write exactly that when I first started this thread? Are you literate or just a troll?

Out of those two choices I choose literate.

[xorxes]

Not gonna lie, xorxes seems like the tanner to me, he knows what he's doing and he's doing it anyways. Scum xorxes wouldn't just randomly not follow his meta, he always acts as a leader no matter what. Randomly changing that 100% seems like he's trying to attract a lynch

The last thing the Tanner wants is to get lynched. They want to die in any other way than a lynch, They lose if they are lynched.

Good point, so then why did anyone think Ezio was a tanner then?

They thought he was trying to get the Vig to shoot him. The Vig always shoots Ezio, it's a tradition we have here.

[worcej]

2-2-1

What does this mean?

It appears Vecna was answering my question from the previous post:

If town was leading a lynch on Flavius, what to you do as scum, join in, defend him, or stay away?

So he is saying there were 2 mafia who joining in on the Flavius lynch (Jamie, worcej, Ezio, Kalel, bozo, dargorygel, BionicMole, rdrivera, BobMcBob, Squigs, Temasek), 2 mafia who defended Flavius (Vaporwave, TrPrado, Kitsune), and 1 mafia who stayed away (xorxes, Vecna, BunnyGo, yuuki/RagingIke).

Squigs and Temasek did bail on the Flavius lynch, and BobMcBob tried to, so they may need there own category. Also, BunnyGo came online at EOD but did not take a position on the Flavius lynch, so I think he need his own category also:

supported Flavius lynch: Jamie, worcej, Ezio, Kalel, bozo, dargorygel, BionicMole, rdrivera

opposed Flavius lynch: Vaporwave, TrPrado, Kitsune

supported Flavius lynch at some point, ended up not voting for him (or tried to): Squigs, Temasek, BobMcBob

neutral on Flavius lynch: BunnyGo

not around for Flavius lynch: xorxes, Vecna, yuuki/RagingIke)

Does anyone object to the category I have placed them?

No, this is accurate for me.