M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[rdrivera2005]

Who are these seven guests that keep being on the forum? Do people actually log out and read the thread to pretend they're not there?

Yes, yes they do.

Also if they're reading the thread through the bot, it shows up as a "guest".

There's a meta that appearing to read the thread while not posting in it is "scummy" for lurking.

Personally I feel it indicates "invested in the game", but that's a part of why people avoid it. Although the bot does also colour code posts by user, which was invaluable last game when I kept mixing two people up.

I am probably one of the seven as I use the bot a lot during the day as the webdip site is blocked at my workplace. Then I use my cell to post (another reason why I don't write big walls of posts unless I have time to edit in Docs).
I never log off, this is poor form imho.

[FlaviusAetius]

I will respond to lots of posts after class but this thread also isnt unlisted, so it might be just random webDippers!

[rdrivera2005]

@all

My questions about strategies for town roles is meant to be answered by people. I don’t understand how to play them. I don’t understand why the omniscient isn’t dumping knowledge. I don’t understand a lot of things, and I want to scum read your answers (or town read)

Maybe there is no omniscient. And if there is, the time to dump their knowledge is not at night when it will help scum discuss how to deal with it. If they want to claim they would do it at EON.

Just to add a bit, scum (and 3P) also don't know what roles are in play, giving him this info isn't good for town, specially at night. I don't think it's good even during the day, if I were omniscient I would wait for someone (scum or 3p) to claim a role that I know were not in play, so I catch one in the process of claiming. It also make fake claiming as town a really, really, stupid option.

[BunnyGo]

Huh. I may have to try reading via the bot. I just use a VPN on my phone to read the site.

[KalelChase]

Where did everyone go? Are you all in scum chat?

I can haz conversashun?

Just talk to the GMs

Hey Rage... hope you're well.
Don't have a meta from you since the only other game I was in you were the GM (Thanks again for getting me sucked into this darn game by dangling superheroes in front of me).

How would you describe your town play style to me?

No self-reflection?

[FlaviusAetius]

Also me being a town clear as beneficial makes no sense, I was universally town read before this, and no one listened to me then, no one is going to listen to me now
Nothing is being accomplished

Not universally. Otherwise you wouldn’t have felt pressure to claim.

I started to become scum read when I made that slip which literally was just a mistake but no one but a few people were willing to look at the facts no one was willing to look at it deeper, which proved my innocence. Sad :I also 100% agree we are hanging Ezio tomorrow, no. matter. what.

[FlaviusAetius]

So far NO ONE has responded to this
WHY did I choose to claim a role that nearly gurantees a lynch INSTEAD OF

1) Making a case damo was scum
2) Follow what TrPrado said and say I was being too obsessive over Ezio and so I jumped in logic

Until those two questions can be answered, you guys are just jumping on a wagon with only surface level thinking

Because you decided you wanted to use this exact argument to save yourself, that's why.

Using your actions the day of, after you were being pressured, as the way to defend yourself post pressure is pure nonsense and most of us are too experienced to fall for that shit.

If you are the role you claim to be, you should have fought the pressure but remained silent about your role. We would have a ton of wagon analysis to do if you had done that, but instead you chose to make this WIFOM-ish argument.

This is the first thing I read by Ezio all game that makes me not what to hang him high tomorrow.

Right? I made this point in the moment but Ezio is basically silent all game randomly says the phrase, gives himself a weak defense, and then starts pushing HARD on me?? It makes no sense, with also a FLIMSY argument

[KalelChase]

Is there a reason the omniscient shouldn't claim and post?

BunnyBro,

I was responding to this in the affirmative to this and then thought through the ramifications.

I was going to agree partially in alignment to, and piggy-backing on Flavs stated rationale - that once a PRole's power is gone they're basically a VT. Which inherently makes them less useful to town than someone still with their power. Which makes them 'safe', since Mafia would probably prefer to take out a PR.

However, this only holds up if there's only one PR-turned-VT at a time claimed. Otherwise we should expect to loose one of the two VTs at night (but presumably they'd be safe during the day).

Other ROLE comments/observations
I do agree that The Wednesday person should have put forth a message (I don't think they did), and that Anti-Encryptor should have done this night, and Interceptor should do N2. But since I'm none of those.

[FlaviusAetius]

No Im convinced now, the Omniscient should post the roles he has at EoN, if he dies thats it, we lose the Omniscient and that really hurts us, also I sincerely doubt anyone will CC the Omniscient since thats a lot of things your going to have to back up, and it could EASILY be disproven

[FlaviusAetius]

I still don't understand why JOAT would claim.

The vig I get...they become town clear and VT, but the JOAT still has powers to use.

Facts its so odd how bozo is just pure claim claim claim all day everyday, really makes me suspicious of him, this is a lot more nuanced then he claims it to be, everyone watch out

[FlaviusAetius]

If Town eliminates all scum, does Tanner lose if still alive?

You know I guess not, if the town kills itself and Tanner is last a live, cant he just suicide cause he's lonely

[FlaviusAetius]

Where did everyone go? Are you all in scum chat?

I can haz conversashun?

I'm just getting caught up with the EOD (every free second I have had the last 2 days has been reading and taking notes).
I'm trying to process what happened with Flav
https://media.giphy.com/media/KnklaUtMatbZm/giphy.gif
and I am learning something every second.

You need to start talking more, reading and taking notes is good and all, but the more you wait the higher the threshold for the information you have gathered is

[FlaviusAetius]

Hey @BobmcBob, here's a thought.

Since we have all this time right now, and there's always a chance one of us won't live to see tomorrow, if you feel I'm scum why not ISO me?

And please explain how my posts are "forced".

Are you saying they're artificial?
Are you saying I'm getting too into the game?

It feels a bit like you're just repeating a word that's been used before, and I'd genuinely like to know.

You never responded to my iso on you, please do so now

[FlaviusAetius]

I think I'll be taking a closer look at the people who claimed Flavius "scumslipped" tonight. It was the point where I think a lot went wrong, and something about the whole situation just felt odd.

The inciting incident:

Im not saying it wasnt a reaction test, but look at the differences between bo's and ezio's reaction tests. One kept the fueling of the flames, and found a scum, not only that he didnt do literally the only reaction test that a scum must say to enact their ability.
Ezio said the forbidden words, dropped off the face of earth, caused huge disruption, and now people are playing with nonsense to prove his innocence

I hadn't looked up Flav's reads so I naturally wanted clarity, so I did what a great number of people should've done and asked questions. It felt like a throwaway comment about Ezio not posting a full analysis of the responses he read, and I figured it might be helpful to also get an idea of Flav's thoughts on other things that have happened in the game.

Yet a decent handful of people took that comment in a WHOLE other direction. Those people were:
Jamie, worcej, Ezio, Kalel, bozotheclown
rdrivera (note bold)

The one who really started taking it down the dark path was Jamie. Page 43 he sees the post and believes it to be a scum slip based on the premise that Flavius "knows" damo is scum.
Then follow worcej, Ezio, and Kalel onto the wagon, with others considering it but not yet placing votes.
The other two on my list stand out for other reasons. They both talk about the wagon and interact with it for a little while, bozo pressuring him until he says he can't claim his role, and eventually pushing Flav to claim bulletproof, which later spiraled into everyone voting for Flav.

And then rivera, who stands out the most to me as someone who started talking about it EARLY but not getting on the wagon until everybody decided to lynch Flav as a role confirm. When I say he started early, I mean his post saying he thought it was convincing as a scumslip was when the wagon was at a grand total of 2 votes. The degree to which he attempted to be a voice on the wagon is unclear, but he most certainly seemed to want to stoke the fire, but he only actually joined into the fray when it became clear that there was no alternative to the lynch.

This REEKS of scumplay. To a degree far beyond the other people on the list. Looking back at his other posts there's absolutely nothing to make up for it. Hedging, weird anger at people for answering questions not necessarily directed at them, inessential and unproductive questions, little to no actual deduction. I just can't envision any of this being town.

I assume there will be one or two other scum on this wagon, so this is a good place to focus at least SOME thought.

Of course the mafia knew it was not a scum slip, so they could have been quick to defend Flavius and believe his claim, knowing they would be proven "correct" at the attempt to lynch Flavius.

Both sides are true, why would mafia want to give away an easy lynch?
What TrPrado brings up though is IMPORTANT, not everyone on my wagon was scum, its impossible for that to be of course, but there are scum there, and thats where we need to be looking

[FlaviusAetius]

Unfortunately, I have to go to a dinner tonight, so I don't have time to throw down any more reads (or even finsh my catchup reading). I can however throw down a vote.

Kitsune is my scumread so far, she's acting odd, seems somewhat forced, and there seems to be a fair few other scumreads on her too. So for now, ##Vote Kitsune

Wait so we sparred Squigs all night saying Ezio is mafia, and all of a sudden you just change your vote and dip? Literally makes zero sense

What the actual heck? I never scumread Ezio at all, or even voted for him. My vote had been on bo previously. I had stated multiple times I townread Ezio. I'm getting less confident though.

Yea I confused you with Bunny my bad!

[FlaviusAetius]

You don't have any major scumreads, you want Vecna or rivera lynched cause you can't read them correctly

Is Bob your only scumspect out of all the people that piled on you?

What's your take on Jamie?

This, I feel is the biggest non-town indicator in Ezio's plan. He diverted a lot of votes and attention for 12 hours, and then came out of it with a reads post that had little explanation (apart from his lynch on principle thing, which is lame) and virtually nothing to do with his reaction test. He seems to have drawn very little out of it.

100% agree dude Ezio has done some pretty whack stuff, he needs to be called out on it, and needs to be lynched, I just dont see the Tanner possibility being all that much, Vigilante and JOAT, dont shoot him, he can only die by a Lynch

[Vaporwave]

At page 65 and..

Flav, why do you want to be perfect? It will happen, one game you'll get to be a D1 lynch, it's not a matter of 'if' it's a matter of 'when'.

Also, I think we can officially crown Bunny as the meme king of this game

[FlaviusAetius]

I will respond to lots of posts after class but this thread also isnt unlisted, so it might be just random webDippers!

High key disappointed in the lack of posts, you best believe we are pressuring people to answer for what they did to me, and you best believe we know you scum are trying to come up with a perfect answer together, some of you are going to have to be sacrificed if you want out of this though, I see no other way you make it here out a live

[FlaviusAetius]

At page 65 and..

Flav, why do you want to be perfect? It will happen, one game you'll get to be a D1 lynch, it's not a matter of 'if' it's a matter of 'when'.

Also, I think we can officially crown Bunny as the meme king of this game

because im a perfect person obviously :p
just kidding, but i dont know its just cool to never been lynched, kinda sad here i got lynched, I made big missteps, but for the record this doesnt count since im still here

[KalelChase]

At page 65 and..

Flav, why do you want to be perfect? It will happen, one game you'll get to be a D1 lynch, it's not a matter of 'if' it's a matter of 'when'.

Also, I think we can officially crown Bunny as the meme king of this game

because im a perfect person obviously :p
just kidding, but i dont know its just cool to never been lynched, kinda sad here i got lynched, I made big missteps, but for the record this doesnt count since im still here

I don't think technically this counts, since you didn't get lynched.