M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[FlaviusAetius]

If that’s true then why was I leading advocate against mass claim in all its forms? If my fake role was Naruto Runner I’d be the #1 advocate for a mass claim, and yet I wasn’t and still not

Your stance on a mass claim shouldn't change based on what your individual role is unless you are mafia...

Exactly, there have been plenty of people in this game who have been against mass claim but FOR popcorn mass claim, why didn’t I join that stampede of people? It would benefit my role the most, no?

[FlaviusAetius]

my ‘fake claim’ role

[FlaviusAetius]

I thought he was doing an elaborate, but mis-guided plan. I was wrong, at least as he disccribed it.

I see him as regular townie Ezio. Somewhat withdrawn, and lets us see the tip of his iceberg. That might seem scummy to you, and in the past I HAVE voted for Ezio a lot just for that 'feeling.' And I've always been wrong.

His silence, and lack of interaction at this point, is not alignment indicative. It's just Ezio.

And I’m not saying for that to be the only reason, we need to take EVERYTHING into account;
1. Using literally the only reaction test that uses the words that a scum must say to hammer it
2. Weak response when he finally gets on
3. Not responding to anything when he was on the forum for at least an hour after saying it
4. Saying the words...

[KalelChase]

The best way to defend myself was to make a scum case on damo, but I didnt have one, cause he literally hasnt posted enough to make one, and I wont just randomly make a case that I dont believe in

What are you worried about, Flav... you aren't going to die, right? You're giving town a confirmed clear.

##GM CALL

Will Naruto Runner's first death reveal information similar to any other characters 'final' death?

Just a reality check, assuming Flavius' claim is correct, then will we be told his PR (since he wont be dead)?
If not then it's actually an advantage that the Doc is gone. Commuter would have similar results if we're not told the details (and they picked odd).
I'm still looking through all the roles, but I wanted to check on the question above.

[Squigs44]

If that’s true then why was I leading advocate against mass claim in all its forms? If my fake role was Naruto Runner I’d be the #1 advocate for a mass claim, and yet I wasn’t and still not

Your stance on a mass claim shouldn't change based on what your individual role is unless you are mafia...

Exactly, there have been plenty of people in this game who have been against mass claim but FOR popcorn mass claim, why didn’t I join that stampede of people? It would benefit my role the most, no?

Oh sorry, I misunderstood what you meant. The only way to verify the Naruto runner is to lynch them, so in a mass claim you would've been one of the first up for a lynch.

[FlaviusAetius]

Your stance on a mass claim shouldn't change based on what your individual role is unless you are mafia...

Exactly, there have been plenty of people in this game who have been against mass claim but FOR popcorn mass claim, why didn’t I join that stampede of people? It would benefit my role the most, no?

Oh sorry, I misunderstood what you meant. The only way to verify the Naruto runner is to lynch them, so in a mass claim you would've been one of the first up for a lynch.

Exactly so me claiming Naruto Runner makes zero sense whatsoever since I’m going to be the person to be lynched, I’d claim literally anything else

[worcej]

And in reference to the post I quoted at you Bunny, I am going to point that flavius did just drop an interesting 'too much information' without an obvious 'oh, he just had one typo in his post'.

##vote FlaviusAetius

Sorry, this I don’t understand

Flavius's post would be more forgivable if he meant someone else other than bo and just screwed up the person. However, his post clearly was setup to point out a bad job by Ezio did at reaction testing.

[dargorygel]

I thought he was doing an elaborate, but mis-guided plan. I was wrong, at least as he disccribed it.

I see him as regular townie Ezio. Somewhat withdrawn, and lets us see the tip of his iceberg. That might seem scummy to you, and in the past I HAVE voted for Ezio a lot just for that 'feeling.' And I've always been wrong.

His silence, and lack of interaction at this point, is not alignment indicative. It's just Ezio.

And I’m not saying for that to be the only reason, we need to take EVERYTHING into account;
1. Using literally the only reaction test that uses the words that a scum must say to hammer it
2. Weak response when he finally gets on
3. Not responding to anything when he was on the forum for at least an hour after saying it
4. Saying the words...

Hmmm
I see all four of those comments as basically pointing to the same thing, and I accept Ezio's explanation. Not because I think he was brilliant, but because I think it matches Ezio. So it depends, mostly on your #2. Which might not have been as scientifically analytical as we might like, with lists and diagrams. But I wouldn't call his explanation alignment indicative. I would call it Ezio indicative.

[worcej]

... Sorry for being passionate? lol, cmon stop relying on people's metas to solve everything, it doesnt work and people will hide behind it. Look at what people say then react accordingly, treat every new game as a new game, simple dimples

It's not hiding behind meta to point out that you are smart enough to know to play people's expectations of you against them. It's acknowledging your ability to be deceptive that most of us learned a hard lesson on.

Im not deceptive, Im just active, dont conflate the two. And this dont go after the meta argument relies on perhaps me more than anyone. If you look at my meta you'll see I'm active, super active no matter what I am, because 1) I really like mafia and 2) I want to help and participate

So people might say oh he's just active so dont worry about him he's always like this! What does that do for me, then? It means I can literally do whatever I want and hide like TrPrado has been saying. So stop using the meta to hunt, it doesnt help, and allows people to 'buck' their meta to trick anyone and everyone

You 100% utilized the fact that people thought you were a noob and did not make any efforts to correct people mid-game.

That, is deception to me.

[worcej]

Never thought I would say this, but Bob McBob has shown himself as the most prominent town player

Also curious why this is something you wouldn't think to say? Is that a judgement on Bob himself or more that your normal 'town core' is under performing?

you took the words right out of my mouth

That is an important distinction, thank you for setting that straight.

[Jamiet99uk]

Worcej do you think Flav is fakeclaiming?

[FlaviusAetius]

And in reference to the post I quoted at you Bunny, I am going to point that flavius did just drop an interesting 'too much information' without an obvious 'oh, he just had one typo in his post'.

##vote FlaviusAetius

Sorry, this I don’t understand

Flavius's post would be more forgivable if he meant someone else other than bo and just screwed up the person. However, his post clearly was setup to point out a bad job by Ezio did at reaction testing.

Any good mafia would not claim a typo, they would double and triple down on what they said, and I’d make a huge case for damo, people already think damo was mafia.

I could of even taken what TrPrado’s suggested it was and said oh I was just too obsessed over Ezio and jumped too far, to make anything fit in what I believed.

The above two weren’t what I believed though so I wasn’t going to blame stuff on someone who might be innocent(damo) and I wasn’t going to clear someone who IS a scum(Ezio)

[FlaviusAetius]

It seems in every choice in this game, when there was an option to do something smarter, do something deceiving, I didnt choose it, I could of done so much to clear my name, but that isnt what I chose to do, because that isnt what I supported, I didnt believe it was true. Everything I did, a mafia would do the exact opposite.

[bozotheclown]

I think so, because mafia would not do it and it would always be a question. He will be much more valuable as a town clear. Also, if his claim if fake and he is mafia, we would have a strong reason to suspect damo.

Yeah... this seems like a win to me.
Sorry Flavius.
##VOTE FLAVIUS
I hope to be on close to EoD

This is the worse role I could possibly claim if Im Mafia or 3rd Party, so that a lone should prove I am not mafia at all.
Please vote Ezio, he doesnt even care and is letting everyone else but him defend his actions, he barely has more posts than emc...

If it is your fake claim role, your only alternative is to risk claiming a role that can be counterclaimed.

[rdrivera2005]

If that’s true then why was I leading advocate against mass claim in all its forms? If my fake role was Naruto Runner I’d be the #1 advocate for a mass claim, and yet I wasn’t and still not

Your stance on a mass claim shouldn't change based on what your individual role is unless you are mafia...

Exactly, there have been plenty of people in this game who have been against mass claim but FOR popcorn mass claim, why didn’t I join that stampede of people? It would benefit my role the most, no?

Flavius, you should not have claimed, it's pointless as you will not be llynched anyway and you just turned your role useless as scum will never target you. And you just made EOD useless as it's now safe (and a rational thing as people already pointed) to vote for you and I hardly see how you won't be the lynch.

##vote Kalel until he answer my question.

#Ask GM - Just to confirm, Bulletproof is also immune to the first lynch?

[dargorygel]

That's true bozo... Which might be a sort of town slip

[bozotheclown]

The best way to defend myself was to make a scum case on damo, but I didnt have one, cause he literally hasnt posted enough to make one, and I wont just randomly make a case that I dont believe in

What are you worried about, Flav... you aren't going to die, right? You're giving town a confirmed clear.

Its more important to lynch someone than to mislynch, no? Thats whats going to happen here, and nothing will be solved, you even admitted nothing will be solved, its useless to lynch me

If you are bulletproof you can't be mislynched today.

[worcej]

Do we really need to make Flav prove himself?

If he is Naruto Runner, then him being lynched is actually a great thing - we create a town-clear immediately and don't lose a body in the process.

[bozotheclown]

Your stance on a mass claim shouldn't change based on what your individual role is unless you are mafia...

Exactly, there have been plenty of people in this game who have been against mass claim but FOR popcorn mass claim, why didn’t I join that stampede of people? It would benefit my role the most, no?

Flavius, you should not have claimed, it's pointless as you will not be llynched anyway and you just turned your role useless as scum will never target you. And you just made EOD useless as it's now safe (and a rational thing as people already pointed) to vote for you and I hardly see how you won't be the lynch.

##vote Kalel until he answer my question.

#Ask GM - Just to confirm, Bulletproof is also immune to the first lynch?

If you believe his claim was useless as town, does that mean you think he is scum?

[FlaviusAetius]

Your stance on a mass claim shouldn't change based on what your individual role is unless you are mafia...

Exactly, there have been plenty of people in this game who have been against mass claim but FOR popcorn mass claim, why didn’t I join that stampede of people? It would benefit my role the most, no?

Flavius, you should not have claimed, it's pointless as you will not be llynched anyway and you just turned your role useless as scum will never target you. And you just made EOD useless as it's now safe (and a rational thing as people already pointed) to vote for you and I hardly see how you won't be the lynch.

##vote Kalel until he answer my question.

#Ask GM - Just to confirm, Bulletproof is also immune to the first lynch?

IMO, mislynching is a worse option if I can prove by claiming that I am a town. I was hoping by revealing my role I could prove I was town and people would not want to lynch me, that's why I did it, there was no other way in good conscious that I could dig myself out of the hole I made

I could of just made a case for damo, I could of said I was too obssesed over Ezio and now I realize my mistake. I dont believe in either, a mafia could switch everything though, I chose not to do these things. People gave me outs, I had a chance to clear my name, but in the process I would let someone off the hook, who shouldnt be off the hook, or crucify someone who shouldnt have been