M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[Jamiet99uk]

You don't have any major scumreads, you want Vecna or rivera lynched cause you can't read them correctly

Is Bob your only scumspect out of all the people that piled on you?

What's your take on Jamie?

to say I don't have any major scumreads is inaccurate. I majorly scumread bobmcbob as I made an entire post explaining my scumread on him.

Obviously he's the only one who I took note of, and I didn't put anyone else on the scumread so you can infer at that time I only scumread bobmcbob. I might be weird again but when my scumreads change I usually post about the change.

I currently have no take on Jamiet. Has he said anything?

Nothing. This is my first post.

[Jamiet99uk]

I said I wasn't 100% convinced that Ezio is the hammer and wanted to hear what he had to say about his strategy before I made a final decision. I am with Vapor on this and need a little more explanation on what he wanted to find out and what he actually did find out.

I'm still trying to work out how to read roles and things like that so I can be more helpful in the hunt.

I am going to hold my vote in place for the moment because my gut tells me Ezio might be the Tanner trying to get shot to meet his win criteria, although I would rather vote with my head instead of my gut.

If I do change my vote it would create a tie and there would be no harm, no foul. I have read in my preparation for this, my first game, that a "nolynch" is not a desirable outcome because it does not provide any new information. I would love to hear some experienced opinions on how a "nolynch" would affect the outcome of EOD1.

##CALL GM could you kindly post a link to the role document?

There is a link on the first page.

[BunnyGo]

I said I wasn't 100% convinced that Ezio is the hammer and wanted to hear what he had to say about his strategy before I made a final decision. I am with Vapor on this and need a little more explanation on what he wanted to find out and what he actually did find out.

I'm still trying to work out how to read roles and things like that so I can be more helpful in the hunt.

I am going to hold my vote in place for the moment because my gut tells me Ezio might be the Tanner trying to get shot to meet his win criteria, although I would rather vote with my head instead of my gut.

If I do change my vote it would create a tie and there would be no harm, no foul. I have read in my preparation for this, my first game, that a "nolynch" is not a desirable outcome because it does not provide any new information. I would love to hear some experienced opinions on how a "nolynch" would affect the outcome of EOD1.

##CALL GM could you kindly post a link to the role document?

There is a link on the first page.

##HANGUP GM

[Jamiet99uk]

People are free to speculate as much as they want.

This pretty much confirms it IYAM.

Meaning?

Meaning Ezio's response to being accused of being the Tanker pretty much confirms my suspicions.

[Jamiet99uk]

*Tanner

[TrPrado]

I don’t necessarily disagree, but I’ll note here that there are 5 memefia and 3 more scum, and only 13 (oops 12 town. Rip bo). Even if you have no reads at all you have 1-2 odds. Not horrible. And there are definitely some things to conclude. Like: even if Ezio isn’t anti-town in roll, he certainly hasn’t been pro-town in play.

Do you think I have been Anti-town in play, or are you saying you feel I've been truly neutral and done nothing beneficial or detrimental?

To me it seems anti-town. Maybe I’m wrong. But it seems like you caused a commotion. Allowed people to focus on you and not much else. Then came back with basically nothing. You’re at best neutral, and it seems detrimental.

Causing a commotion is inherently better for town than trying to stop conversation from happening at all.

[BunnyGo]

Do you think I have been Anti-town in play, or are you saying you feel I've been truly neutral and done nothing beneficial or detrimental?

To me it seems anti-town. Maybe I’m wrong. But it seems like you caused a commotion. Allowed people to focus on you and not much else. Then came back with basically nothing. You’re at best neutral, and it seems detrimental.

Causing a commotion is inherently better for town than trying to stop conversation from happening at all.

Ok...but it was all about him. Is that pro-town?

[TrPrado]

To me it seems anti-town. Maybe I’m wrong. But it seems like you caused a commotion. Allowed people to focus on you and not much else. Then came back with basically nothing. You’re at best neutral, and it seems detrimental.

Causing a commotion is inherently better for town than trying to stop conversation from happening at all.

Ok...but it was all about him. Is that pro-town?

I don't think it makes a difference.

[Jamiet99uk]

It is the ultimate irony that Ezio has been shot so often in previous games, but this time, he wants to be shot, and nobody has shot him.

[TrPrado]

I said I wasn't 100% convinced that Ezio is the hammer and wanted to hear what he had to say about his strategy before I made a final decision. I am with Vapor on this and need a little more explanation on what he wanted to find out and what he actually did find out.

I'm still trying to work out how to read roles and things like that so I can be more helpful in the hunt.

I am going to hold my vote in place for the moment because my gut tells me Ezio might be the Tanner trying to get shot to meet his win criteria, although I would rather vote with my head instead of my gut.

If I do change my vote it would create a tie and there would be no harm, no foul. I have read in my preparation for this, my first game, that a "nolynch" is not a desirable outcome because it does not provide any new information. I would love to hear some experienced opinions on how a "nolynch" would affect the outcome of EOD1.

Why are you afraid of tanner meeting their win condition?

[FlaviusAetius]

Unfortunately, I have to go to a dinner tonight, so I don't have time to throw down any more reads (or even finsh my catchup reading). I can however throw down a vote.

Kitsune is my scumread so far, she's acting odd, seems somewhat forced, and there seems to be a fair few other scumreads on her too. So for now, ##Vote Kitsune

Wait so we sparred Squigs all night saying Ezio is mafia, and all of a sudden you just change your vote and dip? Literally makes zero sense

[FlaviusAetius]

So basically yea they can change their opinion, so what? That doesnt change anything Ezio still said the forbidden words, and there's no reason people can come up with besides;
scum
distruption
or trolling

You're not reading the thread very carefully are you?

Im reading every last word, how about you dont just throw down accusations and back to up with an actual argument

[Squigs44]

You're confusing Vecna with Vapor. Easy mistake to make, they have very similar playstyles.

What? Are you trolling me? If not, it's a compliment because Vecna is one of the finest players around.

Game 1:
Vecna (not mafia) posted the phrase.
Then Vaporwave (rick roller) posted the phrase.
This action by Vecna ped town because it baited and caught Vaporwave

That's not how it happened, Squigs. I wasn't aware that posting the sentence would insta-expose me, I wasn't aware that my role description was publicly available, it has nothing to do with Vecna

Is there a reason you changed helped to ped when you quoted me?

[FlaviusAetius]

so many Ezio speculations, this is so pointless, entire pages of boring 'what ifs'


I'm disliking what Ezio did, taking attention upon himself instead of letting people find various suspects

If he's town he better gives us a scum otherwise there's no townie motive to his weird tactic

let's hear it from the man himself but until then,we should also discuss other topics

We are...? Lol, as that one person said this game has been going from topic to topic, then jumping around to a new topic with everyone on board with the new topic, so it seems perfectly fine to me. Remember we can walk and chew gum at the same time, we dont live in a turn based world

[BunnyGo]

So basically yea they can change their opinion, so what? That doesnt change anything Ezio still said the forbidden words, and there's no reason people can come up with besides;
scum
distruption
or trolling

You're not reading the thread very carefully are you?

Im reading every last word, how about you dont just throw down accusations and back to up with an actual argument

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nQqkybl7pCg

[worcej]

You're confusing Vecna with Vapor. Easy mistake to make, they have very similar playstyles.

What? Are you trolling me? If not, it's a compliment because Vecna is one of the finest players around.

Game 1:
Vecna (not mafia) posted the phrase.
Then Vaporwave (rick roller) posted the phrase.
This action by Vecna ped town because it baited and caught Vaporwave

That's not how it happened, Squigs. I wasn't aware that posting the sentence would insta-expose me, I wasn't aware that my role description was publicly available, it has nothing to do with Vecna

Can I ask you why you would think your role description wasn't publicly available when they are almost always publicly available (only closed games don't have them)?

[Jamiet99uk]

So basically yea they can change their opinion, so what? That doesnt change anything Ezio still said the forbidden words, and there's no reason people can come up with besides;
scum
distruption
or trolling

You're not reading the thread very carefully are you?

Im reading every last word, how about you dont just throw down accusations and back to up with an actual argument

You said nobody could come up with any reason for Ezio's behaviour other "besides scum, distraction, or trolling".

If you had been reading with greater vigilance, you would have seen people suggesting Ezio could be the Tanner.

Isn't it strange you didn't notice that, and thus made the innacurate post quoted above...?

[Squigs44]

"It just seems like you're never really getting anywhwere. You're throwing out incoherent thoughts all the time and in general being very loud and less helpful. But, like I said, this may just be the way you play, I don't know. Which is why I would like someone (not Flav) to clear this up for me. Is flav usually this odd? He feels forced."
-##vote bobmcbob

This was the single post that stood out to me amongst the white noise of this phase. I believe this was scum motivated, and scummily executed.
Scum benefit most from killing active townies, and Townies benefit from letting active scum continue posting. Early in the game, it is almost always wrong to push for an active poster over so many low activity posters.
Scummy execution. Townies tend to own their pushes. They usually don't say they think someone's being super odd(and forced) while pointing it out, and yet begging for someone else to notice and put their vote down first so he can hop on.
This post and his vote on bo (I'm weird, unlike a lot of you I actually scumread players more for voting confirmed townies) make me think he's the most likely scum outta day 1

Sorry, I don't quite know how active posters should be treated. It's just... he's really annoying. I was not saying that he was necessarily scum (and didn't ever vote for him, I didn't have enough reason) but I can see your reasoning for him being a good guy to keep alive. He kind of reminds me of this:

I m outside and turtle looks like the upper body armour of a knight or
roman soldier..the folds arent too challenging but not as complex as to tale up a whole saturday and sunday...I shall work through them...and maybe i can add extra shaping to give a thinner illusion ..

Once again not necessarily scum indicative, but given my lack of meta knowledge, I wanted to make sure he was always like this. And boy his posts are just annoying to read... Now someone's cleared that up for me though, I'll stop pushing for Flav's meta (and probably start pushing for other peoples', but there's not much else I can do).

This is way too apologetic and backtracking

##vote BobMcBob
After catching up I'll look deeper into his iso, but this post stinks

[FlaviusAetius]

"It just seems like you're never really getting anywhwere. You're throwing out incoherent thoughts all the time and in general being very loud and less helpful. But, like I said, this may just be the way you play, I don't know. Which is why I would like someone (not Flav) to clear this up for me. Is flav usually this odd? He feels forced."
-##vote bobmcbob

This was the single post that stood out to me amongst the white noise of this phase. I believe this was scum motivated, and scummily executed.
Scum benefit most from killing active townies, and Townies benefit from letting active scum continue posting. Early in the game, it is almost always wrong to push for an active poster over so many low activity posters.
Scummy execution. Townies tend to own their pushes. They usually don't say they think someone's being super odd(and forced) while pointing it out, and yet begging for someone else to notice and put their vote down first so he can hop on.
This post and his vote on bo (I'm weird, unlike a lot of you I actually scumread players more for voting confirmed townies) make me think he's the most likely scum outta day 1

Sorry, I don't quite know how active posters should be treated. It's just... he's really annoying. I was not saying that he was necessarily scum (and didn't ever vote for him, I didn't have enough reason) but I can see your reasoning for him being a good guy to keep alive. He kind of reminds me of this:

I m outside and turtle looks like the upper body armour of a knight or
roman soldier..the folds arent too challenging but not as complex as to tale up a whole saturday and sunday...I shall work through them...and maybe i can add extra shaping to give a thinner illusion ..

Once again not necessarily scum indicative, but given my lack of meta knowledge, I wanted to make sure he was always like this. And boy his posts are just annoying to read... Now someone's cleared that up for me though, I'll stop pushing for Flav's meta (and probably start pushing for other peoples', but there's not much else I can do).

Annoying??? What? Oh is responding to people, participating annoying to you? What do you want me to do? Just be quiet like most of the people here, dodge questions and not participate in literally anything unless it directly concerns them? Utterly ridiculous

[Jamiet99uk]

*inaccurate