M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[TrPrado]

Final thoughts on the matter of the hammerer before I go to bed now that the tension of whether or not the phase would hammer has passed.

Actively looking for people using certain words is dumb. It's not creative and it's not hunting. And it only serves to give the real hammerer breathing room so that they can post something they know we're not looking for. We can find the hammerer by scumhunting. Or, if they do get off the hammer, we can track them down retroactively based off posts in a certain timeframe.

[Ezio]

Howdy everyone!

I trust you've all had a productive day. I know I have. Let me tell you all what I was thinking.

What is the worst case scenario from me making this post? (I'll probably refer to it as a fakeclaim at some point, because that's basically how I think/thought about it). I was clearly going to get the most votes, at least for the following 12 hours, so if the hammerer chooses to post and use his power, he will out himself to force a mislynch on me. This seems like a great deal as we've outed a powerful LYLO mafia role in exchange for a mislynch on me. A great trade!

What's the best case? Someone makes a really bad argument that indicates they are arguing with extra information and not referring to it appropriately(a scumslip).

In the many cases where neither of these things happen, at the very least I get to see how people react to new and potentially weird information. This can be useful to me later in the game when I gauge people's reactions later.

All in all, the upside seemed to way outweigh the downside and the play seems clearly correct for me to make as town. Next post will contain the reads that stand out to me.

[Ezio]

"It just seems like you're never really getting anywhwere. You're throwing out incoherent thoughts all the time and in general being very loud and less helpful. But, like I said, this may just be the way you play, I don't know. Which is why I would like someone (not Flav) to clear this up for me. Is flav usually this odd? He feels forced."
-##vote bobmcbob

This was the single post that stood out to me amongst the white noise of this phase. I believe this was scum motivated, and scummily executed.
Scum benefit most from killing active townies, and Townies benefit from letting active scum continue posting. Early in the game, it is almost always wrong to push for an active poster over so many low activity posters.
Scummy execution. Townies tend to own their pushes. They usually don't say they think someone's being super odd(and forced) while pointing it out, and yet begging for someone else to notice and put their vote down first so he can hop on.
This post and his vote on bo (I'm weird, unlike a lot of you I actually scumread players more for voting confirmed townies) make me think he's the most likely scum outta day 1

[Ezio]

Town:

Xorxes (he's not confirmed like he was last game though), squigs, prado, Flavious (even if not town, activity alone means he's worth more alive than dead), worcej.

Scum:
Vecna, Rd. I don't actually think either of these players are scum, but we should lynch them on principle of me never being able to read them correctly.

Super scummy:
Idk probably that Yuuki fellow.
oh yea and the guy who my vote happens to be on... Read my previous post to find out more.

[Jamiet99uk]

So basically yea they can change their opinion, so what? That doesnt change anything Ezio still said the forbidden words, and there's no reason people can come up with besides;
scum
distruption
or trolling

You're not reading the thread very carefully are you?

[Jamiet99uk]

For the record: I've had that stupid Rick Astley song suck in my head for a whole day. The only cure was other Rick Astley songs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPYZpwSpKmA

There are other Rick Astley songs??!!??

[Jamiet99uk]

Wait are you serious, just post SQUAWK? lol what does that have to do with anything

This refers to a game long ago where Vecna was compared to a noisy, annoying parrot.

*SQUAWK*

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh look Ezio came back.

[Vaporwave]

so many Ezio speculations, this is so pointless, entire pages of boring 'what ifs'


I'm disliking what Ezio did, taking attention upon himself instead of letting people find various suspects

If he's town he better gives us a scum otherwise there's no townie motive to his weird tactic

let's hear it from the man himself but until then,we should also discuss other topics

[Vaporwave]

You're confusing Vecna with Vapor. Easy mistake to make, they have very similar playstyles.

What? Are you trolling me? If not, it's a compliment because Vecna is one of the finest players around.

Game 1:
Vecna (not mafia) posted the phrase.
Then Vaporwave (rick roller) posted the phrase.
This action by Vecna ped town because it baited and caught Vaporwave

That's not how it happened, Squigs. I wasn't aware that posting the sentence would insta-expose me, I wasn't aware that my role description was publicly available, it has nothing to do with Vecna

[Vaporwave]

https://imgflip.com/i/3eumfk

At this point I'm leaning towards Flav being town because I'm not sure scum Flav could keep this up

scum!Flav definitely can

[BobMcBob]

"It just seems like you're never really getting anywhwere. You're throwing out incoherent thoughts all the time and in general being very loud and less helpful. But, like I said, this may just be the way you play, I don't know. Which is why I would like someone (not Flav) to clear this up for me. Is flav usually this odd? He feels forced."
-##vote bobmcbob

This was the single post that stood out to me amongst the white noise of this phase. I believe this was scum motivated, and scummily executed.
Scum benefit most from killing active townies, and Townies benefit from letting active scum continue posting. Early in the game, it is almost always wrong to push for an active poster over so many low activity posters.
Scummy execution. Townies tend to own their pushes. They usually don't say they think someone's being super odd(and forced) while pointing it out, and yet begging for someone else to notice and put their vote down first so he can hop on.
This post and his vote on bo (I'm weird, unlike a lot of you I actually scumread players more for voting confirmed townies) make me think he's the most likely scum outta day 1

Sorry, I don't quite know how active posters should be treated. It's just... he's really annoying. I was not saying that he was necessarily scum (and didn't ever vote for him, I didn't have enough reason) but I can see your reasoning for him being a good guy to keep alive. He kind of reminds me of this:

I m outside and turtle looks like the upper body armour of a knight or
roman soldier..the folds arent too challenging but not as complex as to tale up a whole saturday and sunday...I shall work through them...and maybe i can add extra shaping to give a thinner illusion ..

Once again not necessarily scum indicative, but given my lack of meta knowledge, I wanted to make sure he was always like this. And boy his posts are just annoying to read... Now someone's cleared that up for me though, I'll stop pushing for Flav's meta (and probably start pushing for other peoples', but there's not much else I can do).

[BobMcBob]

To clarify, Ezio is actually my strongest townread at the moment. He made an odd and rather risky play, but it seems towny and despite him managing to pull very little out of it, I feel like it had good intentions. Whether he pulled it off well is a different question, but this feels like a town play to me, and it certainly gave us information, which we can hopefully utilise.

[BobMcBob]

I still think most of you are falling for the ezio troll so far, but I get the precautionary placement of votes.

What else are we supposed to do? Here are the options as I see them:

1) He's and incompetent RickRoll --->> LET'S LYNCH

2) He's doing some weird double bluff as scum ---->> LET'S LYNCH

3) He's a townie trolling all of us. Well why do we want a townie trolling us??!-->>LET'S LYNCH

Am I wrong? If we don't have anything better going on?

@BionicMole You're not allowed to +1 posts in the mafia thread unless they're GM posts. Would you mind wihdrawing this +1 and any others?

Also, I strongly disagree with Flav here. Ezio seems to have been doing a reaction test, not a troll, although it may look like that. I know you don't appreciate or agree with reaction tests, but some people like them and will do them anyway. I'm going to be really annoyed and surprised if Ezio turns out to be scum. Either way, I think his play was good.

[BunnyGo]

https://imgflip.com/i/3eup1i

I will not (and premorning coffee almost wrote the phrase as a natural response). I agree with you.

Notice that my Rick astley video was not in any way (except also being Rick astley) the phrase.

[BionicMole]

I still think most of you are falling for the ezio troll so far, but I get the precautionary placement of votes.

What else are we supposed to do? Here are the options as I see them:

1) He's and incompetent RickRoll --->> LET'S LYNCH

2) He's doing some weird double bluff as scum ---->> LET'S LYNCH

3) He's a townie trolling all of us. Well why do we want a townie trolling us??!-->>LET'S LYNCH

Am I wrong? If we don't have anything better going on?

@BionicMole You're not allowed to +1 posts in the mafia thread unless they're GM posts. Would you mind wihdrawing this +1 and any others?

Also, I strongly disagree with Flav here. Ezio seems to have been doing a reaction test, not a troll, although it may look like that. I know you don't appreciate or agree with reaction tests, but some people like them and will do them anyway. I'm going to be really annoyed and surprised if Ezio turns out to be scum. Either way, I think his play was good.

I know the rule and must have inadvertently hit the button while scrolling on my phone. 1,000 apologies

[BobMcBob]

What else are we supposed to do? Here are the options as I see them:

1) He's and incompetent RickRoll --->> LET'S LYNCH

2) He's doing some weird double bluff as scum ---->> LET'S LYNCH

3) He's a townie trolling all of us. Well why do we want a townie trolling us??!-->>LET'S LYNCH

Am I wrong? If we don't have anything better going on?

@BionicMole You're not allowed to +1 posts in the mafia thread unless they're GM posts. Would you mind wihdrawing this +1 and any others?

Also, I strongly disagree with Flav here. Ezio seems to have been doing a reaction test, not a troll, although it may look like that. I know you don't appreciate or agree with reaction tests, but some people like them and will do them anyway. I'm going to be really annoyed and surprised if Ezio turns out to be scum. Either way, I think his play was good.

I know the rule and must have inadvertently hit the button while scrolling on my phone. 1,000 apologies

Okay, that's cool. I also kind of wanted to know if there was a reason you +1'd that in particular... but okay.

[BobMcBob]

Okay let's purge our minds for a moment and jump to something intelligent. Quick reread before going to bed.

Interestingly, I would normally expect there to be a series of side conversations throughout the game, but it feels like this game has really streamlined a lot of the conversation. We jump from one to the next, and when there's a jump, everyone seems to participate, with very little in the way of continuing the previous conversation. Except, say, someone catching up and not yet knowing the conversation.

The only real exception to this is bozo continuing to be very determined to push his hope for some degree of mass-claiming (the current version being the vote leader thing)

Damo's participation has been sparse, but he said he would be at a funeral today so that's to be expected. The only thing odd is him asking bo to claim his role but also saying vote leaders claiming idea. Doubling down on his bo vote seems super towny. What I don't like is bozo voting for bo as a followup but not particularly treating that vote like it was something important. It's just... gross.

Kitsune is involved and very well thought out. I can't see her as anything other than a towny based on what we've seen so far. And for all our disagreements the same goes for Flavius. He's very passionate and feels very genuine.

Vapor seems very reserved, almost timid, and I don't like it. Temasek and rivera don't seem very involved, and worcej feels like he's putting a bit too much effort into white knighting "the spirit of the game" in the mass claim convo with very little other substance.

BunnyGo, Jamie, xorxes and Squigs all seem like they want to figure out what's going on and solve the game, really good vibes from them.

I'm not sure one way or the other on Ezio, but at this point it's super important that we hear more from him.

I love it when people do these kinds of posts. Given that my trashy analysis technique is heavily reliant on a reads spreadsheet, these sorts of posts are super helpful for filling in my spreadsheet and giving me a good idea where these people sit, and eventually, starting some deeper cross-analysis. Keep them coming!

[BunnyGo]

For the record: I've had that stupid Rick Astley song suck in my head for a whole day. The only cure was other Rick Astley songs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPYZpwSpKmA

There are other Rick Astley songs??!!??

Some of us are old enough to remember them.

@ezio: your strategy sucks. You didn’t even comment on me and I’m posting a metric ton and about you too. You comment that voting for someone who flips town must be scum is dumb this early. A townie getting their feet under them is likely to do that.

I still think you’re one of the 6 categories I previously mentioned. Why do we want you in the game if you’re just going to cause trouble, distract everybody, and come back with two posts of questionable content? You haven’t even cleared yourself yet.

[Jamiet99uk]

so many Ezio speculations, this is so pointless, entire pages of boring 'what ifs'


I'm disliking what Ezio did, taking attention upon himself instead of letting people find various suspects

If he's town he better gives us a scum otherwise there's no townie motive to his weird tactic

let's hear it from the man himself but until then,we should also discuss other topics

You realise you posted this two hours after Ezio gave a big explanation, and you just totally ignored it?