M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[Squigs44]

I might need to just ignore what Flav says in order to focus on the rest of the game

Can someone let me know if he is ever being scummy enough to warrant a vote, cause otherwise I'm gonna just assume he is town

[FlaviusAetius]

Too many options is the very definition of too much information...? I dont understand how you think otherwise, also thanks for explaining that I guess darg and jamie were really just joking lol

[FlaviusAetius]

I might need to just ignore what Flav says in order to focus on the rest of the game

Can someone let me know if he is ever being scummy enough to warrant a vote, cause otherwise I'm gonna just assume he is town

Im trying to be helpful, I am participating on literally everything, Im trying to make arguments that are helpful, I dont understand why people think its wrong to participate

[Squigs44]

Are you unfamiliar with SQUAWK-posting?

This sort of thing was my first impression of Vecna

I am unfamiliar with SQUAWK-posting. Care to explain?

I would like you to imagine someone spending all of D1 posting nothing but

SQUAWK

You're a reasonable and well educated person. Lets talk about something more productive. For example - what are your thoughts on Rdrivera? Usually by this point I have a better read on him.

[BobMcBob]

I’m wondering if there is a compelling reason Jamie just used the G-word neatly and clearly spelled, after a post setting it up with similar spelling so it stood out less.

Possibly he was told that the scottishism earlier wouldn’t count?

I think we should all just stop talking about people using or not using that word until an actual hammer happens. It's trivially easy with the bot to find out who used it after a hammer has happened.

My thoughts exactly. As soon as a hammer happens, I am 100% happy to go and search people's posts for possible hammerers using the search box. Until then, it's a complete waste of time, since we can't verify non-hammerers by if they've posted the phrase and nothing happened.

[Squigs44]

Too many options is the very definition of too much information...? I dont understand how you think otherwise, also thanks for explaining that I guess darg and jamie were really just joking lol

No. Information is not possibilities. Information helps cut down on possibilities.

For example. Lets say I have 5 cards from a standard deck of cards. There are 311875200 possibilities for what my hand could be. That is too many possibilities. Now lets say I tell you that I have either 2 hearts or 2 spades, the sum of my cards (counting face cards as 10) is 37, that I do not have a straight, that I have a card lower than a 4, and that I have 3 red cards and 2 black cards. That is a lot of information. However, the number of possibilities for what is in my hand is cut down quite a bit.
You, Flavius, might say that that information is overwhelming since it really doesnt tell you what any of my cards is, and just gets confusing.
I, however, would argue that that information is all useful information, and that ignoring that information is a waste.

Okay, I am for reals done with trying to explain basic concepts to Flav.

[Kitsune]

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[FlaviusAetius]

iso on rdrivera

he likes the mass claim concept
hates the mass claim concept after Assasin hole
is now against bozo's popcorn idea which works against assasin loophole, makes me question whether he supported massclaim at all in the beginning

says a whole bunch of stuff i agree with;
-It was a really poor shot on Bo, unless it was scum who did it.
-I am having town vibes from Bozo and Bunny. Not that much on Damo.
-I am sensing something weird on Kitsune as if she is working too hard on his posts
-I also didn't like Bob reads post, feels forced and hedgy as fuck, but I am giving him the noob benefit of doubt.
-Where is Vecna?

yea he tries to justify siding with the pseudo-massclaim idea from bozo, but if he was principled he would of been against massclaim from the start

me and him get into a spat on mechanics about Ezio, and decides Ezio isnt cleared, but decides to vote on him anyways, despite thinking it was a trick

he responds to xorxes' calling him out on it by saying he doesnt need a reason for wanting Ezio lynched, DESPITE HIM SAYING IN A FEW POSTS ABOVE about how he wasnt cleared

mr. flip floppity flips!

[FlaviusAetius]

Too many options is the very definition of too much information...? I dont understand how you think otherwise, also thanks for explaining that I guess darg and jamie were really just joking lol

No. Information is not possibilities. Information helps cut down on possibilities.

For example. Lets say I have 5 cards from a standard deck of cards. There are 311875200 possibilities for what my hand could be. That is too many possibilities. Now lets say I tell you that I have either 2 hearts or 2 spades, the sum of my cards (counting face cards as 10) is 37, that I do not have a straight, that I have a card lower than a 4, and that I have 3 red cards and 2 black cards. That is a lot of information. However, the number of possibilities for what is in my hand is cut down quite a bit.
You, Flavius, might say that that information is overwhelming since it really doesnt tell you what any of my cards is, and just gets confusing.
I, however, would argue that that information is all useful information, and that ignoring that information is a waste.

Okay, I am for reals done with trying to explain basic concepts to Flav.

Man you dont have to be so condescending about it, like I didnt understand that ok? Whats the big deal?
Anyways the argument of too many options just played out for you when you said it was too many options to list, so too many options is too much information, until you get other information.

[BobMcBob]

She implied she was scum reading me in M49 when she was mafia. That makes the whole thing seem fabricated, and only scum need to fabricate their posts.

So not really a scum slip in the sense that Kitsune said something that would only make sense from a scum perspective.
Also, Kitsune never said she scumread you? She said she disagreed with your plan and voted for you. Also, even if she did scumread you, that particular part of the story wasn't relevant to the meta she was building around you, and her argument still stands.
It does seem a bit weird to be bringing up her own behavior while establishing your meta, but I don't particularly see scum motivation behind that

Maybe scum slip is the wrong term, but I think it is scum indicative. The part about scum reading me in M49 is relevant in that she was mafia in M49, and could not be scum reading me.

I think the idea here is that Kitsune was looking for behaviour that if she had been town would have considered scummy among the people she knew weren't mafia. It makes sense to me. She was scumreading someone that conceivably seemed like scum but that she knew wasn't scum.

[FlaviusAetius]

Flavius, can you do me a favor?

Without over-reacting, using any ALL CAPS or exclamation marks, tell us your top 2 or 3 scum reads, with reasoning for why you scumread them. Refrain from using the terms "100%", "nonsense", or any variation of "idk", "i dont know", "it doesnt make sense to me", "why would he do that", etc.

I want to try to understand your opinions but the way you write just makes me see everything you say as ridiculous and over the top, and then I cant take you seriously.

Thats just how I treat mafia, I treat everyone else as a scum and I'm the only town there ever was, and so I'm against everyone in everything they ever do until I cant argue it anymores

with that;
Ezio is scum, I see literally zero reason to say the forbidden words unless your a mafia end of story

bozo, continues to push an idea of massclaim, we've proved him wrong so many times and yet he continues to push, it why? He wants people to claim, and he's going to do whatever it takes to get people to expose themselves essentially thats really bad because then assasin and mafia work together to wipe us all out, and we argue over claims instead of arguing over motivations. Then it becomes the mechanics' arguments, and then more and more nonsense

hmmmm as for a third....
I haven't really looked at anyone else I read everything down to the last letter, and I'll attack you regardless if I think your scum or not, cause guess what I could be wrong, so Im sure soon enough I'll find someone else, but I use to think xorxes, not so much anymores
I use to think kits(he seems big fake) nothing else besides that
oh and bunny is hopping back and forth between my friend and not my friend which seems suspicious >.>
oh and how could I forget, YOU
Your after my neck this entire game and I won't have it, you've been lowkey latching onto me and continue to persist, even trying to misrepresent the entire bozo argument, saying all those arguments' were Jamie's??? Like if you really think I'm scum, at least come up with something more substantive, not this nonsense
What are you getting at?

bumpity bump bump!

[Squigs44]

Flavius, can you do me a favor?

Without over-reacting, using any ALL CAPS or exclamation marks, tell us your top 2 or 3 scum reads, with reasoning for why you scumread them. Refrain from using the terms "100%", "nonsense", or any variation of "idk", "i dont know", "it doesnt make sense to me", "why would he do that", etc.

I want to try to understand your opinions but the way you write just makes me see everything you say as ridiculous and over the top, and then I cant take you seriously.

Thats just how I treat mafia, I treat everyone else as a scum and I'm the only town there ever was, and so I'm against everyone in everything they ever do until I cant argue it anymores

with that;
Ezio is scum, I see literally zero reason to say the forbidden words unless your a mafia end of story

bozo, continues to push an idea of massclaim, we've proved him wrong so many times and yet he continues to push, it why? He wants people to claim, and he's going to do whatever it takes to get people to expose themselves essentially thats really bad because then assasin and mafia work together to wipe us all out, and we argue over claims instead of arguing over motivations. Then it becomes the mechanics' arguments, and then more and more nonsense

hmmmm as for a third....
I haven't really looked at anyone else I read everything down to the last letter, and I'll attack you regardless if I think your scum or not, cause guess what I could be wrong, so Im sure soon enough I'll find someone else, but I use to think xorxes, not so much anymores
I use to think kits(he seems big fake) nothing else besides that
oh and bunny is hopping back and forth between my friend and not my friend which seems suspicious >.>
oh and how could I forget, YOU
Your after my neck this entire game and I won't have it, you've been lowkey latching onto me and continue to persist, even trying to misrepresent the entire bozo argument, saying all those arguments' were Jamie's??? Like if you really think I'm scum, at least come up with something more substantive, not this nonsense
What are you getting at?

bumpity bump bump!

Are you expecting a specific response from me? I think I have made it clear that I disagree with your views on Ezio and Bozo, and I have shown why.

I slightly town read you right now. In fact, I really haven't scumread you at all this game. I've called your play bad, I've expressed frustration at trying to work with you, I've been condescending towards you, but I don't think I have once pushed you as a scum candidate. There was that one time I said either you or Jamie was likely scum, but literally the same post I said I decided it was Jamie.

[TrPrado]

Oh lord would you look at the time

[Squigs44]

Okay I'm going to bed. Flav, if you need any advice while I'm asleep, just remember: WWSDD

[FlaviusAetius]

Disagreed with me on Bozo? When? I thought you were written down as opposed to bozo's ideas, no?

[FlaviusAetius]

Im heading off to bed too I cant stay up late again like last night I need to get my sleeping schedule back on track xD
Time to grind an essay tomorrow too rip :I

[TrPrado]

I am unfamiliar with SQUAWK-posting. Care to explain?

I would like you to imagine someone spending all of D1 posting nothing but

SQUAWK

You're a reasonable and well educated person. Lets talk about something more productive. For example - what are your thoughts on Rdrivera? Usually by this point I have a better read on him.

A lot of short posts, mostly mechanical. Doesn't seem too involved. Not enough for a solid read. Is there a reason you're singling him out in particular?

[Temasek22]

@kitsue: care to explain your scum/town impressions? Remember, I’m even dumber than everyone thinks so please elaborate. Don’t assume I understand anything.

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Kitsune's Interesting and highly subjective New Table of reads and the like

by popular (well, Bunny is popular) request!

BionicMole - No idea really. Hasn't yet made a meaningful post that I can see, but he's around and he's watching. Could be trying to fly below the radar but NAI for me. Null.

BobMcBob - I like him and I like his spreadsheet. I'm begging him to hold onto it until after the game is over so I can see it - I want to do something like this, but haven't worked out a good tool to use. Townpoints for early read list. Townlean.

Bozotheclown - As has been discussed, his play is consistent with my previous experience of Bozo as Town. Slightly wrongheaded and personally irritating to me, but I understand his reasoning so Townlean.

bo_sox48 - Dead. Was the Doctor, shot down early.

BunnyGo - Odd reads here. Not invisible, but nothing meaty either. I wasn't focused on him in D1 of M49 but this feels like !notmyTownbunny. Could be NAI with the new job, could be soft scum points. Null for now, but leaning scum unless I see more of my Bunny come out to help Town. One of two players who made M49 scumKit sweat the most, so I expect better.

damo666 - NAI really. Hasn't participated much, don't really know his previous meta. Has a valid reason for being away for a fair chunk of time. Null.

dargorygel - Unlike far too many seems interested in actually solving the puzzles here. Asks interesting questions and listens to the answers instead of shouting over them. One of two voters for Kit with a valid explained reason for doing so. Townlean.

Ezio - A total of 4 posts since gamestart. All four are brief, one may be pocketing, none seem reasoned. I do not know what was with his use of The Phrase That Pays. Scumlean, but wondering if he’s 3P rather than maf.

FlaviusAetius - He’s a hot mess, but I read him as town. ALL over the place and examining things with great enthusiasm in the absence of actual fact but is showing signs of investigating and the occasional meaty post and best of all appears to be reading what people say. Interesting play style, will watch with fascinated horror.

Jamiet99uk - Ugggg… Jamie lol. Aggressive, challenging, in our face, doesn’t always listen to reason. Even used the g-word, twice after the first time didn’t take. Despite all this and his occasional harsh reads on me, I’m going to townlean him because he’s focused laser-sharp on the wording of the roles and has been trying to keep that in our gaze. Also it matches his meta from M49.

KalelChase - Wasn’t really sure about him until his last beautiful analytical post. Major townpoints. My doubts about him in M49 were entirely manufactured, !ismytownKalel.

Kitsune - Me. I’m town, because I know I am. Duh.

Rdrivera2005 - Mmmm… nothing conclusive. Maybe soft-townlean, his reactions seem to be consistent with that but I’m not seeing much proactive attempts at investigation or solving. Null for now.

Squigs44 - Reads town for me. I’m resisting the urge to trust him more because he’s actually reading the posts I made and understands the points I was trying to make, but he’s not just doing that for me. Not quite ready to core him, but a strong townhero for me.

Temasek22 - Goes from voting for me without a clear explanation of why (other than seafood shenanigans) to stating that Ezio is most likely a clueless town and voting for him. Scumlean.

TrPrado - No strong reads here. Some conflicting impressions back and forth, support for different people. Probably a town based on the odds, but I’ll null-read him for now.

Vaporwave - Mmmmm… very soft townread. He’s looking around and trying to analyse things and see what other people are doing, but I don’t see that he’s gotten stuck in yet. Could be trying to float under the radar which in this context could mean a more useful town PR. No clear ideas on what it could be - and frankly if I did I wouldn’t post them.

Vecna - Who? What? Where? Null-read because… seriously what do I have to go on? But he’s definitely getting fingered scum if he doesn’t lift his game.

Worcej - Feels really really REALLY against claiming for some reason. Could be a personal vendetta but I’m lightly fingering him as 3P for now as the most vulnerable to that. If I’m right, he may draw a night kill.

Xorxes - Townlean not as active an investigator as some, but is providing commentary and insights and townpoints as he goes. Actually? @Xorxes, can we have your current reads please? Like all in one place rather than scattered between a dozen?

Yuuki - Has not posted. Who? What? Where? Null-read for now, may get mod-killed. If he doesn’t show up soon he’s getting a scum-finger though.

@Kit, shaking away the feeling that you're OMGUSsing me, I have to say that my OG vote for you is bcuz of the others' observations which I mostly agree. As for the Ezio vote, the chances that he is scum outweigh the chances that he's town

[TrPrado]

Okay let's purge our minds for a moment and jump to something intelligent. Quick reread before going to bed.

Interestingly, I would normally expect there to be a series of side conversations throughout the game, but it feels like this game has really streamlined a lot of the conversation. We jump from one to the next, and when there's a jump, everyone seems to participate, with very little in the way of continuing the previous conversation. Except, say, someone catching up and not yet knowing the conversation.

The only real exception to this is bozo continuing to be very determined to push his hope for some degree of mass-claiming (the current version being the vote leader thing)

Damo's participation has been sparse, but he said he would be at a funeral today so that's to be expected. The only thing odd is him asking bo to claim his role but also saying vote leaders claiming idea. Doubling down on his bo vote seems super towny. What I don't like is bozo voting for bo as a followup but not particularly treating that vote like it was something important. It's just... gross.

Kitsune is involved and very well thought out. I can't see her as anything other than a towny based on what we've seen so far. And for all our disagreements the same goes for Flavius. He's very passionate and feels very genuine.

Vapor seems very reserved, almost timid, and I don't like it. Temasek and rivera don't seem very involved, and worcej feels like he's putting a bit too much effort into white knighting "the spirit of the game" in the mass claim convo with very little other substance.

BunnyGo, Jamie, xorxes and Squigs all seem like they want to figure out what's going on and solve the game, really good vibes from them.

I'm not sure one way or the other on Ezio, but at this point it's super important that we hear more from him.

[BobMcBob]

Unfortunately, I have to go to a dinner tonight, so I don't have time to throw down any more reads (or even finsh my catchup reading). I can however throw down a vote.

Kitsune is my scumread so far, she's acting odd, seems somewhat forced, and there seems to be a fair few other scumreads on her too. So for now, ##Vote Kitsune