M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[BunnyGo]

Maybe this?

https://imgflip.com/i/259e9i

[xorxes]

The down side to Ezio posting this was that we have to have a majority of our votes on him for 12 hours, which it not productive for town at all

Why do we have to do that, exactly? Wouldn't you trade any mislynch hammerer Ezio could produce for a confirmed scum? And if he does produce a mislynch, wouldn't it be interesting to see if it's the first chance he gets or not? And there's other reasons why a D1 hammer is good for town.

Because it would be really really stupid if Ezio actually was the hammerer and we let him hammer on someone else when mechanically there is no drawback to stacking the votes on him for only 12 hours. If he's not the hammer dude we can switch off later and if he is somehow the hammer dude then he dies today without a mislynch instead of tomorrow with someone getting mislynched.

You are assuming he can't change his mind once he sets the rickroll in motion, which may or may not be true. Usually people are allowed to change their minds in PMs to the GM, but this may be different. I'm not even interested enough to make a CALL GM about it, but I guess I must:

##CALL GM: once the Hammerer PMs the GM their intention to hammer the day, are they allowed to change their mind if the hammer has not yet happened, or are they committed?

[TrPrado]

I didn't know I need an excuse to vote in someone that have a (small) chance to be the hammerer. People can make mistakes (cof, Vapor, cof), even experienced one's, like Ezio.

The chance of Ezio being the Hammerer is probably less than anyone else's. Are you saying he not only was not paying attention to his role, but he also completely missed what happened to Vapor in the truncated game?

This times 100! The game we're playing doesn't exist in a vacuum. Everyone here either experienced or witnessed what happened in the previous version of the game, and the role and the changes made to it have been discussed publicly and at length. Knowing that this would be a bad play for hammerer literally only requires that you have looked at either of these threads in the past couple days.

[BionicMole]

@Kit, not making a list yet because it would be all wishy-washy, I'm not even sure who to vote for. I would be willing to bet that Ezio is not the Hammerer though. I will ##VOTE Jamiet because I think at least one Ezio voter has to be scum and he can't possibly believe that Ezio is the Hammerer.

I'm not 100% convinced he is the Hammerer myself, but the votes against him will force an explanation. I am have thought about this move from many angles and my head is going in circles...

[BunnyGo]

I didn't know I need an excuse to vote in someone that have a (small) chance to be the hammerer. People can make mistakes (cof, Vapor, cof), even experienced one's, like Ezio.

The chance of Ezio being the Hammerer is probably less than anyone else's. Are you saying he not only was not paying attention to his role, but he also completely missed what happened to Vapor in the truncated game?

This times 100! The game we're playing doesn't exist in a vacuum. Everyone here either experienced or witnessed what happened in the previous version of the game, and the role and the changes made to it have been discussed publicly and at length. Knowing that this would be a bad play for hammerer literally only requires that you have looked at either of these threads in the past couple days.

I don't disagree with this statement at all.

AND YET, I am incapable of thinking of a reason a player I want to not be lynched would do such a thing. This isn't to say a reason doesn't exist, just that I don't understand one, and can't figure it out.

https://miro.medium.com/max/552/1*bq0gW ... ld6lQ.jpeg

[xorxes]

Sorry, @Kit, that was too harsh. I was asking for your reads. And they were definitely honest and you put a lot of thought into them. I just feel like I got burned last game with a lot of that reasoning.

Didn't you just call Kit scum? Now you're saying Kits reads are honest? You do realize mafia cant give honest reads?

They absolutely can. They may know what the truth is, and they may or may not say the truth, but they can give honest reasons for the conclusions they are drawing. Say I *knew* you weren't scum (NOTE: THIS IS ALL HYPOTHETICAL) but I wanted to read you as scum, I'm sure I could find some honest reasons to choose to read you that way.

Honest doesn't mean true. It's just how you spin it.

honest
/ˈɒnɪst/
adjective
free of deceit; truthful and sincere.

Maybe you're thinking of some other "honest"?

[BunnyGo]

Didn't you just call Kit scum? Now you're saying Kits reads are honest? You do realize mafia cant give honest reads?

They absolutely can. They may know what the truth is, and they may or may not say the truth, but they can give honest reasons for the conclusions they are drawing. Say I *knew* you weren't scum (NOTE: THIS IS ALL HYPOTHETICAL) but I wanted to read you as scum, I'm sure I could find some honest reasons to choose to read you that way.

Honest doesn't mean true. It's just how you spin it.

honest
/ˈɒnɪst/
adjective
free of deceit; truthful and sincere.

Maybe you're thinking of some other "honest"?

I think the reasons themselves could be sincere, and based on truthful statements. I agree that there would be some deceit in the reads, but yeah...a different sort of honest.

[BunnyGo]

@Kit, not making a list yet because it would be all wishy-washy, I'm not even sure who to vote for. I would be willing to bet that Ezio is not the Hammerer though. I will ##VOTE Jamiet because I think at least one Ezio voter has to be scum and he can't possibly believe that Ezio is the Hammerer.

I'm not 100% convinced he is the Hammerer myself, but the votes against him will force an explanation. I am have thought about this move from many angles and my head is going in circles...

The only thing that makes sense to me is that he's Tanner and hoped for an insta-shot. Not unreasonable based on what happened already.

[BunnyGo]

@Kit, not making a list yet because it would be all wishy-washy, I'm not even sure who to vote for. I would be willing to bet that Ezio is not the Hammerer though. I will ##VOTE Jamiet because I think at least one Ezio voter has to be scum and he can't possibly believe that Ezio is the Hammerer.

I'm not 100% convinced he is the Hammerer myself, but the votes against him will force an explanation. I am have thought about this move from many angles and my head is going in circles...

The only thing that makes sense to me is that he's Tanner and hoped for an insta-shot. Not unreasonable based on what happened already.

Especially since our vig is living by this ethos:

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-good-bad-and ... 6swLm6Q68U

[FlaviusAetius]

Ok so on Ezio, are we saying he was really just trolling? Is that it? Ah that no actual hammerer would be that silly than to make it so obvious! and yet thats exactly what he did. He said it, he knows what he did, we can all agree this role more than any other has been exposed to everyone and the rules behind it extensively discussed. Heck we are still asking for clarifications on it.

So I guess my question to you Ezio nay-sayers(cough xorxes >.> and squigs)
Why are we playing mental gymnastics with Ezio? He hasnt even been on to defend what he said, why are you defending for him? Why cant you just accept the fact that he messed up and messed up hard, AND if he didnt mess up and just wanted to 'cause distruption' which he CLEARLY HAS

Why would a town want to cause distruption? There's zero town reason to do this and every mafia reason to do this,
@Squigs 'oh my goodness being stuck on Ezio is a true travesty!!! its not benefeciail to town oh no!!!' hello? we arent in a turn based world we can walk and chew gum at the same time. Park your votes on Ezio and find mafia we can do BOTH. complete and utter fake intellectual once again

[e.m.c^42]

You are assuming he can't change his mind once he sets the rickroll in motion, which may or may not be true. Usually people are allowed to change their minds in PMs to the GM, but this may be different. I'm not even interested enough to make a CALL GM about it, but I guess I must:

##CALL GM: once the Hammerer PMs the GM their intention to hammer the day, are they allowed to change their mind if the hammer has not yet happened, or are they committed?

##GM Note

It's processed like any other order of its type sent in to the GM. If the order is meant to be processed instantaneously (i.e. a shot), then no. If the order is not instantaneous (night actions, etc...), then the issuer has opportunities to adjust their order until it is executed.

[BionicMole]

I'm not 100% convinced he is the Hammerer myself, but the votes against him will force an explanation. I am have thought about this move from many angles and my head is going in circles...

The only thing that makes sense to me is that he's Tanner and hoped for an insta-shot. Not unreasonable based on what happened already.

Especially since our vig is living by this ethos:

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-good-bad-and ... 6swLm6Q68U

He may have another plan that just backfired

https://media.giphy.com/media/RnBwz1SWFr4yY/giphy.gif

[xorxes]

How much Wednesday left?

[worcej]

How much Wednesday left?

Depends on your time zone?

[xorxes]

You are assuming he can't change his mind once he sets the rickroll in motion, which may or may not be true. Usually people are allowed to change their minds in PMs to the GM, but this may be different. I'm not even interested enough to make a CALL GM about it, but I guess I must:

##CALL GM: once the Hammerer PMs the GM their intention to hammer the day, are they allowed to change their mind if the hammer has not yet happened, or are they committed?

##GM Note

It's processed like any other order of its type sent in to the GM. If the order is meant to be processed instantaneously (i.e. a shot), then no. If the order is not instantaneous (night actions, etc...), then the issuer has opportunities to adjust their order until it is executed.

In that case, the chances of Ezio hammering on himself are more or less zero.

[worcej]

I still think most of you are falling for the ezio troll so far, but I get the precautionary placement of votes.

[FlaviusAetius]

So basically yea they can change their opinion, so what? That doesnt change anything Ezio still said the forbidden words, and there's no reason people can come up with besides;
scum
distruption
or trolling

[Kitsune]

##CALL GM - For Wednesday-related powers, is "Wednesday" defined as a specific timezone which is "hosting" the game, the relevant player's timezone's Wednesday or a third option? If the third option, please elaborate.

[BunnyGo]

The only thing that makes sense to me is that he's Tanner and hoped for an insta-shot. Not unreasonable based on what happened already.

Especially since our vig is living by this ethos:

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-good-bad-and ... 6swLm6Q68U

He may have another plan that just backfired

https://media.giphy.com/media/RnBwz1SWFr4yY/giphy.gif

THANK YOU!

[Kitsune]

So basically yea they can change their opinion, so what? That doesnt change anything Ezio still said the forbidden words, and there's no reason people can come up with besides;
scum
distruption
or trolling

There is no role I can see that benefits from being lynched at this point.

Bunny may be correct that he was a Tanner hoping to be shot. That's my best explanation now, and I will be very disappointed if he flips town on lynch.