M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[FlaviusAetius]

Just caught up:
Initial thoughts:

Whoever shot Bo is either inexperienced or stupid. Not because they shot Bo, but because they shot so soon.
Jamie's role fishing by asking Bunny if he shot was bad.
The push on Bozo is bad. Jamie's push on him feels false to me; he is purposefully nitpicking words and arguing why Bozos plan is bad rather than explaining why scum Bozo would act this way. Flav is piggybacking off of Jamie and calling Bozo scum without much of a real argument from what I can see.
Ezios ploy was likely him as town trying to bait the hammerer into revealing themselves, like how Vecna did it last game.

excuse me those arguments were MINE to start with I just agreed with Jamie because he was saying what I WAS SAYING, not the other way around.
Also not sure if you've seen it, but bozo is trying to do a massclaim by a thousand cuts, instead of all at once, I've been against massclaim from the start and THAT was my reason for being against it, I DIDNT nitpick him literally at all, not ONLY that me and bozo were talking and we BOTH agreed that the person who is on the top wagon should claim, I said it should be LAST RESORT, he said it should be done no matter what. In which THEN Jamie came in and said how that's ridiculous and then I AGREED. Don't get your facts mixed up big buddy

[BunnyGo]

Have you read the role doc? This doesn't make any sense. We can't find the hammerer this way and he won't lose his power if he say the words and don't hammer. Everybody saying the words is the worst thing to town, are you on drugs?

And Ezio isn't clear by any means.

That wasn't the point dargo was making. His argument was predicated on Ezio not being familiar with the changes to the role and assuming it was still an immediate hammer. I wouldn't say clear, but either way I strongly agree with dargo in that there's no way Ezio is hammerer. In about 10 hours we'll be able to verify that.

So then lets all vote for him, and if in 10 hours nothing happens, then he's cleared, simple dimples

Yay! We can clear everyone of being the hammer sometime after game ends!!! Weeeeeeeeeeee

He can keep my vote after that. Can still be other 4-7 scum (depending how you count)

[FlaviusAetius]

Bunny, you know the rules and so do I. Quoting it wouldn't trigger the end of the day.

But it's a valid way to say the words I think.

##Ask GM - Quoted text is considered to fulfill the words the hammerer need to say?

##GM Note: Obviously, my preference (as seen in the voting thing last go) is that it would count, but this was not specifically clear before the start of the game, and to be logically consistent with the votes not counting, text within quotes will not count, unless it has been specifically altered or modified, in which case this should be noted to the GMs via PM by the Hammerer, as this would no longer constitute a simple "quote".

So you could add a period, and everything changes, guys quotes are basically back on and we need to look at them with a fine tooth comb :I

[FlaviusAetius]

That wasn't the point dargo was making. His argument was predicated on Ezio not being familiar with the changes to the role and assuming it was still an immediate hammer. I wouldn't say clear, but either way I strongly agree with dargo in that there's no way Ezio is hammerer. In about 10 hours we'll be able to verify that.

So then lets all vote for him, and if in 10 hours nothing happens, then he's cleared, simple dimples

Yay! We can clear everyone of being the hammer sometime after game ends!!! Weeeeeeeeeeee

He can keep my vote after that. Can still be other 4-7 scum (depending how you count)

Also everyday I agree with that other person who said it(I forget who), that we force someone to say the forbidden words, and we all vote them, if the day doesnt end then its all good and we focus on other people, and we can be certain they ARENT the hammer

[Vaporwave]

Bozo: reveal your role
Player with multiple votes at 24: But I can defend myself, I can prove why someone else would be a better lynch
Bozo: don't care about that, you gotta claim

I think Jamie criticized bozo's simplistic approach and I'm actually wondering if bozo would accept anything else but a claim from the suspect on the main wagon

[rdrivera2005]

Have you read the role doc? This doesn't make any sense. We can't find the hammerer this way and he won't lose his power if he say the words and don't hammer. Everybody saying the words is the worst thing to town, are you on drugs?

And Ezio isn't clear by any means.

That wasn't the point dargo was making. His argument was predicated on Ezio not being familiar with the changes to the role and assuming it was still an immediate hammer. I wouldn't say clear, but either way I strongly agree with dargo in that there's no way Ezio is hammerer. In about 10 hours we'll be able to verify that.

So then lets all vote for him, and if in 10 hours nothing happens, then he's cleared, simple dimples

He's not cleared, why can't you just understand the rules?

[FlaviusAetius]

I’m wondering if there is a compelling reason Jamie just used the G-word neatly and clearly spelled, after a post setting it up with similar spelling so it stood out less.

Possibly he was told that the scottishism earlier wouldn’t count?

So lets just make him say the word UP so that it resets wahahah btw he already said the N-WORD so, next would be the Y-word which he probably already so, oh my god jamie what did you do

[rdrivera2005]

So then lets all vote for him, and if in 10 hours nothing happens, then he's cleared, simple dimples

Yay! We can clear everyone of being the hammer sometime after game ends!!! Weeeeeeeeeeee

He can keep my vote after that. Can still be other 4-7 scum (depending how you count)

Also everyday I agree with that other person who said it(I forget who), that we force someone to say the forbidden words, and we all vote them, if the day doesnt end then its all good and we focus on other people, and we can be certain they ARENT the hammer

I give up..

[FlaviusAetius]

@vapor look at the comment I made in response to Squigs
@rdrivera, Can you not read?

You are Rickroll, the Mafia Hammerer! During the day, you participate in the lynch process. You have a single-use ability to immediately end the current day phase by PMing the GMs your intention and then posting the phrase [INSERT FORBIDDEN WORDS HERE] into the main thread. This phrase can be hidden in plain sight or across multiple posts throughout the entire day phase, so long as each word is spelled exactly and they are posted in order. Upon posting the final word, you have a twelve hour window to end the day. You may inform the GMs when in this window you want the day ended. If no time is provided, it will be assumed you want to end the day 12 hours after posting the final word. You are a member of the Memefia. You win once nothing can prevent your team from dominating Memetown. One of your Memefia contacts has informed you that the {} is not present in Memetown. Your partners are: {}.

[Jamiet99uk]

71% of people don't know the opposite of each of these words:

Always
Coming
From
Take
Me
Down

[FlaviusAetius]

71% of people don't know the opposite of each of these words:

Always
Coming
From
Take
Me
Down

just looked this up

[damo666]

71% of people don't know the opposite of each of these words:

Always
Coming
From
Take
Me
Down

Is DT one of them?

[bozotheclown]

Ezio would not reveal himself as mafia to hammer day 1. That does not mean he is town. At some point he will come back and claim it was a reaction test, like when he claimed alien in M44.

[rdrivera2005]

@vapor look at the comment I made in response to Squigs
@rdrivera, Can you not read?

You are Rickroll, the Mafia Hammerer! During the day, you participate in the lynch process. You have a single-use ability to immediately end the current day phase by PMing the GMs your intention and then posting the phrase [INSERT FORBIDDEN WORDS HERE] into the main thread. This phrase can be hidden in plain sight or across multiple posts throughout the entire day phase, so long as each word is spelled exactly and they are posted in order. Upon posting the final word, you have a twelve hour window to end the day. You may inform the GMs when in this window you want the day ended. If no time is provided, it will be assumed you want to end the day 12 hours after posting the final word. You are a member of the Memefia. You win once nothing can prevent your team from dominating Memetown. One of your Memefia contacts has informed you that the {} is not present in Memetown. Your partners are: {}.

Let me try again:

PMing the GMs your intention and then posting the phrase [INSERT FORBIDDEN WORDS HERE] into the main thread.

So, if you don't PM the GMs you can say the words as much as you can and nothing will happen. That's why we can't clear Ezio and why everybody saying the phrase is such a bad idea.

[Kitsune]

@vapor look at the comment I made in response to Squigs
@rdrivera, Can you not read?

You are Rickroll, the Mafia Hammerer! During the day, you participate in the lynch process. You have a single-use ability to immediately end the current day phase by PMing the GMs your intention and then posting the phrase [INSERT FORBIDDEN WORDS HERE] into the main thread. This phrase can be hidden in plain sight or across multiple posts throughout the entire day phase, so long as each word is spelled exactly and they are posted in order. Upon posting the final word, you have a twelve hour window to end the day. You may inform the GMs when in this window you want the day ended. If no time is provided, it will be assumed you want to end the day 12 hours after posting the final word. You are a member of the Memefia. You win once nothing can prevent your team from dominating Memetown. One of your Memefia contacts has informed you that the {} is not present in Memetown. Your partners are: {}.

Let me try again:

PMing the GMs your intention and then posting the phrase [INSERT FORBIDDEN WORDS HERE] into the main thread.

So, if you don't PM the GMs you can say the words as much as you can and nothing will happen. That's why we can't clear Ezio and why everybody saying the phrase is such a bad idea.

Rdr is correct based on my reading of the roles and previous GM responses. It really doesn’t look that ambiguous, so I’m not sure why it’s causing such confusion.

Anyway. Town points to Rdr for spelling it out again and trying to keep people on track.

[FlaviusAetius]

Ezio would not reveal himself as mafia to hammer day 1. That does not mean he is town. At some point he will come back and claim it was a reaction test, like when he claimed alien in M44.

reaction tests are fake!

[FlaviusAetius]

@vapor look at the comment I made in response to Squigs
@rdrivera, Can you not read?

You are Rickroll, the Mafia Hammerer! During the day, you participate in the lynch process. You have a single-use ability to immediately end the current day phase by PMing the GMs your intention and then posting the phrase [INSERT FORBIDDEN WORDS HERE] into the main thread. This phrase can be hidden in plain sight or across multiple posts throughout the entire day phase, so long as each word is spelled exactly and they are posted in order. Upon posting the final word, you have a twelve hour window to end the day. You may inform the GMs when in this window you want the day ended. If no time is provided, it will be assumed you want to end the day 12 hours after posting the final word. You are a member of the Memefia. You win once nothing can prevent your team from dominating Memetown. One of your Memefia contacts has informed you that the {} is not present in Memetown. Your partners are: {}.

Let me try again:

PMing the GMs your intention and then posting the phrase [INSERT FORBIDDEN WORDS HERE] into the main thread.

So, if you don't PM the GMs you can say the words as much as you can and nothing will happen. That's why we can't clear Ezio and why everybody saying the phrase is such a bad idea.

ohhhh

[bozotheclown]

For or against the 24 hour vote leader claiming, everyone please vote:

in favor: bozo, Kitsune, Kalel
opposed: Jamie, dargorygel, damo, rdrivera, Flavius, BionicMole, worcej
abstentions: BunnyGo, BobMcBob, Temasek

There is obvious little support for this idea and it is not going to happen, although 7 players chose not to vote.

[bozotheclown]

Ezio would not reveal himself as mafia to hammer day 1. That does not mean he is town. At some point he will come back and claim it was a reaction test, like when he claimed alien in M44.

reaction tests are fake!

Ezio is capable of a fake reaction test as mafia, but he is also know to do this type of thing as town.

[BionicMole]

I'm going to vote for Ezio just because I can't come up with a good reason a townie would put that out there without trying to hide it. If we are wrong then we will know soon enough.

##Ezio