M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[rdrivera2005]

Ezio, you nut.

If Ezio is the Hammererere he would NOT do this. What would be the profit? Unless he said the Words and then Instantly triggered with the GM’s in order to kill whoever was presently leading the lynch pool.

And then he’d be caught. And get lynched. For a random top of the lynch list person? He is smarter than that.

But I think I have figured out what he is up to. And when I first thought of this, I was going to let it play out. But we shouldn’t lynch Ezio, because in a way, he cleared himself. By saying the words. And nothing happening.

IF he is the hammererer the day will end early.

But I think Ezio wanted to start a surge of ALL of us saying the magic words. So that when the day ended, we could nab the Hammerererer. Either because the real Hammererer would be among those who did NOT say the words… or because we could deduce WHEN the words were said and connect them to the end of day.

I also think, though, that he forgot the new delay. So that the real Hammererere could say the words, and in the midst of ALL of us saying them, the hammererereer would go unnoticed. And not get caught.

SO I think Ezios (weird, but not evil) plan isn’t going to work.

Because even if we ALL say the words, the real Hammererer can hide.

And the end benefit of THIS might be that the Hammerererer’s teeth are pulled. The Hammerererer becomes a memefia goon.

In conclusion (and I trust that the rest of you will knock down my theory… I will not be around enough today to discuss it…)
a) Don’t vote for Ezio. He is probably kinda cleared.
b) Consider whether we should ALL say the words, and defang the Hammerererr.

Have you read the role doc? This doesn't make any sense. We can't find the hammerer this way and he won't lose his power if he say the words and don't hammer. Everybody saying the words is the worst thing to town, are you on drugs?

And Ezio isn't clear by any means.

[BunnyGo]

Kalel is on my shit list for quoting the hammer phrase.

Bunny, you know the rules and so do I. Quoting it wouldn't trigger the end of the day.

As I’ve made clear in my posts: I don’t know the rules when not double checking them in word document; I’m working from memory.

I still think it’s bad form.

[rdrivera2005]

Kalel is on my shit list for quoting the hammer phrase.

Bunny, you know the rules and so do I. Quoting it wouldn't trigger the end of the day.

But it's a valid way to say the words I think.

##Ask GM - Quoted text is considered to fulfill the words the hammerer need to say?

[TrPrado]

Ezio, you nut.

If Ezio is the Hammererere he would NOT do this. What would be the profit? Unless he said the Words and then Instantly triggered with the GM’s in order to kill whoever was presently leading the lynch pool.

And then he’d be caught. And get lynched. For a random top of the lynch list person? He is smarter than that.

But I think I have figured out what he is up to. And when I first thought of this, I was going to let it play out. But we shouldn’t lynch Ezio, because in a way, he cleared himself. By saying the words. And nothing happening.

IF he is the hammererer the day will end early.

But I think Ezio wanted to start a surge of ALL of us saying the magic words. So that when the day ended, we could nab the Hammerererer. Either because the real Hammererer would be among those who did NOT say the words… or because we could deduce WHEN the words were said and connect them to the end of day.

I also think, though, that he forgot the new delay. So that the real Hammererere could say the words, and in the midst of ALL of us saying them, the hammererereer would go unnoticed. And not get caught.

SO I think Ezios (weird, but not evil) plan isn’t going to work.

Because even if we ALL say the words, the real Hammererer can hide.

And the end benefit of THIS might be that the Hammerererer’s teeth are pulled. The Hammerererer becomes a memefia goon.

In conclusion (and I trust that the rest of you will knock down my theory… I will not be around enough today to discuss it…)
a) Don’t vote for Ezio. He is probably kinda cleared.
b) Consider whether we should ALL say the words, and defang the Hammerererr.

Have you read the role doc? This doesn't make any sense. We can't find the hammerer this way and he won't lose his power if he say the words and don't hammer. Everybody saying the words is the worst thing to town, are you on drugs?

And Ezio isn't clear by any means.

That wasn't the point dargo was making. His argument was predicated on Ezio not being familiar with the changes to the role and assuming it was still an immediate hammer. I wouldn't say clear, but either way I strongly agree with dargo in that there's no way Ezio is hammerer. In about 10 hours we'll be able to verify that.

[dargorygel]

He can't use the words and not end the day.

From the doc
Upon posting the final word, you have a twelve hour window to end the day. You may inform the GMs when in this window you want the day ended. If no time is provided, it will be assumed you want to end the day 12 hours after posting the final word.

I am NOT saying that this is a grand plan, though...
I am saying that this is likely EZIO'S plan.

IMO he gets town points, even if the plan is stupid... or at least "not hammerererer points."

[Vaporwave]

We can speculate all days his motives, but only Ezio knows what he's doing.

He shouldn't have left so abruptly

[Vaporwave]

light and fluffy town status for D1: bozo + Kitsune + Prado, maybe I'm also willing to squeeze in Bunny G

[dargorygel]

I liked Kitsune's reaction to pressure.
My next (weak... convince me!) scumread is damo.

The bo/damo argument does not guarantee that damo is scum... but his in and out jumping feels off.

I like xorxes, prado, and bozo. They are acting like themselves.

It's d1.
##VOTE damo66

[Squigs44]

Just caught up:
Initial thoughts:

Whoever shot Bo is either inexperienced or stupid. Not because they shot Bo, but because they shot so soon.
Jamie's role fishing by asking Bunny if he shot was bad.
The push on Bozo is bad. Jamie's push on him feels false to me; he is purposefully nitpicking words and arguing why Bozos plan is bad rather than explaining why scum Bozo would act this way. Flav is piggybacking off of Jamie and calling Bozo scum without much of a real argument from what I can see.
Ezios ploy was likely him as town trying to bait the hammerer into revealing themselves, like how Vecna did it last game.

[Jamiet99uk]

Okay everyone, we're getting a bit obsessed with Ezio's motives.

I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand. I think we should leave our votes on Ezio, to compel him to explain his shit, but we should also move on to other matters.

Bozo's stupid plan is, thankfully, in tatters. Clearly most people don't agree with it. Bozo, we've known each other for so long. Your heart's been aching but you're too shy to say it - your 24hr roleclaim plan isn't happening. What else have you got for us? You always come out with some mechanics based plan with too many contingencies, and too many downsides that you don't acknowledge. Inside we both know what's been going on.

We know the game.
And we're gonna play it.

[Jamiet99uk]

Just caught up:
Initial thoughts:

Whoever shot Bo is either inexperienced or stupid. Not because they shot Bo, but because they shot so soon.
Jamie's role fishing by asking Bunny if he shot was bad.
The push on Bozo is bad. Jamie's push on him feels false to me; he is purposefully nitpicking words and arguing why Bozos plan is bad rather than explaining why scum Bozo would act this way. Flav is piggybacking off of Jamie and calling Bozo scum without much of a real argument from what I can see.
Ezios ploy was likely him as town trying to bait the hammerer into revealing themselves, like how Vecna did it last game.

Actually Squigs I agree with you about Flavius. I was slightly triggered by how he seemed to be parroting my criticisms of Bozo.

[Squigs44]

He can't use the words and not end the day.

From the doc
Upon posting the final word, you have a twelve hour window to end the day. You may inform the GMs when in this window you want the day ended. If no time is provided, it will be assumed you want to end the day 12 hours after posting the final word.

I am NOT saying that this is a grand plan, though...
I am saying that this is likely EZIO'S plan.

IMO he gets town points, even if the plan is stupid... or at least "not hammerererer points."

Did you purposefully only quote part of the role and leave out the part where it says they have to first PM the GM their intention?

[Chaqa]

Kalel is on my shit list for quoting the hammer phrase.

Bunny, you know the rules and so do I. Quoting it wouldn't trigger the end of the day.

But it's a valid way to say the words I think.

##Ask GM - Quoted text is considered to fulfill the words the hammerer need to say?

##GM Note: Obviously, my preference (as seen in the voting thing last go) is that it would count, but this was not specifically clear before the start of the game, and to be logically consistent with the votes not counting, text within quotes will not count, unless it has been specifically altered or modified, in which case this should be noted to the GMs via PM by the Hammerer, as this would no longer constitute a simple "quote".

[BunnyGo]

Just caught up:
Initial thoughts:

Whoever shot Bo is either inexperienced or stupid. Not because they shot Bo, but because they shot so soon.
Jamie's role fishing by asking Bunny if he shot was bad.
The push on Bozo is bad. Jamie's push on him feels false to me; he is purposefully nitpicking words and arguing why Bozos plan is bad rather than explaining why scum Bozo would act this way. Flav is piggybacking off of Jamie and calling Bozo scum without much of a real argument from what I can see.
Ezios ploy was likely him as town trying to bait the hammerer into revealing themselves, like how Vecna did it last game.

Can only vig shoot in day?

[Kitsune]

I’m wondering if there is a compelling reason Jamie just used the G-word neatly and clearly spelled, after a post setting it up with similar spelling so it stood out less.

Possibly he was told that the scottishism earlier wouldn’t count?

[Jamiet99uk]

Can only vig shoot in day?

No. There are at least two other roles that also have a day shot.

[Jamiet99uk]

I’m wondering if there is a compelling reason Jamie just used the G-word neatly and clearly spelled, after a post setting it up with similar spelling so it stood out less.

Possibly he was told that the scottishism earlier wouldn’t count?

I did not use the G word.

[TrPrado]

I’m wondering if there is a compelling reason Jamie just used the G-word neatly and clearly spelled, after a post setting it up with similar spelling so it stood out less.

Possibly he was told that the scottishism earlier wouldn’t count?

Don't tell me you're too blind to see!

[Jamiet99uk]

I’m wondering if there is a compelling reason Jamie just used the G-word neatly and clearly spelled, after a post setting it up with similar spelling so it stood out less.

Possibly he was told that the scottishism earlier wouldn’t count?

I did not use the G word.

Oh crap, yes I did.

Lolwhoops

[Squigs44]

Okay so one of Jamie/Flav is mafia but probably not both and in the last page Jamie convinced me it was him. Thanks bro