M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[Temasek22]

For or against the 24 hour vote leader claiming, everyone please vote:

in favor: bozo, Kitsune, Kalel
opposed: Jamie, dargorygel, damo
abstentions: BunnyGo, BobMcBob

As I said earlier, I'll abstain, the more experienced ones should have the final verdict.

[Temasek22]

Actually, Kit seems really, really fishy. And then again damo probs is the big or something...

##vote kitsune

[Temasek22]

Actually, Kit seems really, really fishy. And then again damo probs is the big or something...

##vote kitsune

*vig, not big

I hate autocorrect

[bozotheclown]

in favor: bozo, Kitsune, Kalel
opposed: Jamie, dargorygel, damo
abstentions: BunnyGo, BobMcBob, Temasek

[e.m.c^42]

##CALL GM - IF I was the Mafia Hammerer and had the relevant powers and restrictions, would my use of the g-word and n-word in my first post be valid for the role?

Similarly I read Jamie's near-g-word as not counting as the word is not spelled exactly and has an e on the end.

##GM Note

This phrase can be hidden in plain sight or across multiple posts throughout the entire day phase, so long as each word is spelled exactly and they are posted in order.

The GMs cannot confirm or deny these cases. The roles doc is clear regarding what is allowed and not allowed. If there are any concerns regarding ambiguity in the statements, please direct them in PMs :)

[rdrivera2005]

in favor: bozo, Kitsune, Kalel
opposed: Jamie, dargorygel, damo
abstentions: BunnyGo, BobMcBob, Temasek

I am against, let people claim when they think it's needed. If it's too close for EOD, we might lose a town but we still get info.

[Kitsune]

I've been looking at Game Version 1 and Game Version Redux regarding the massclaim...
@Kitsune, last time you said you'd take part in the massclaim if at least five others agreed.... this time you are more open.
Has anything changed in your view of the massclaim that makes it more acceptable?

(good GM calls, btw)

No, I think the massclaim is a horrible idea and I strongly oppose it.

It looks like it hands the game to the assassin and I've spoken against it before now.

I do feel some level of claiming would help so we have more to go on, and bozo's is the best plan I've seen for that currently.

That said if we all had a temporary attack of lunacy and five people claimed before me in a mass claim that I'm not at all sure wouldn't be against town win condition I'd grudgingly cooperate.

[Kitsune]

In M49 (yes I know. Shush, it's all I have to go on) I found that bozo was pushing a plan I didn't entirely agree with and seemed to push it despite attempts to distract him into doing something else. As a result and developing my town hunting techniques I voted to lynch him on Day 1 and he flipped town.

Sorry Kitsune, I do not see how this could be anything except a scum slip, because you were mafia in M49, and therefore knew I was town.

##VOTE Kitsune

Bozo, in M49 I knew a lot of people were town. On Day 1 - when I had no comms with my scum partners and so no indication about how we should be doing this - I had the general idea that I should behave like Town to seem like Town, and so I did my best to find a strategy to find people who were acting scummy based on the information I should have as town.

I thought you were acting scummy based on the heuristics I picked up from Foxpants (or was it Foodcoats? Kept confusing them that game) and said as much, so you drew my vote.

Vote for me if you must. I don't think your plan will work as well as you think it will, but I support it so if I'm top wagon at 24 hours I'll claim.

I am a town role, but not so critical to town that I'd move heaven and earth to argue you all out of the lynch and likely deflect it onto another town player.

[rdrivera2005]

It was a really poor shot on Bo, unless it was scum who did it.

I am having town vibes from Bozo and Bunny. Not that much on Damo.

I am sensing something weird on Kitsune as if she is working too hard on his posts

I also didn't like Bob reads post, feels forced and hedgy as fuck, but I am giving him the noob benefit of doubt.

Where is Vecna?

[Jamiet99uk]

The point is that the vote leader is eventually going to have to claim whether they want to or not to try to avoid getting lynched. I am suggesting this happens before EOD when there is little time to react and not everyone will be online.

This logic sucks donkey balls. I've been the lead wagon loads of times, and on many of those occasions I ended up avoiding the lynch without claiming. How many times does the lead wagon at 24hrs go on to dissipate and be replaced by a totally different wagon? Let me tell you how often: It happens VERY FREQUENTLY.

You're talking as if it's a certainty that the lead wagon at 24 hours from EoD always either has to claim on the block, or will be lynched. That is a steaming pile of crap. It's just false. You're talking rubbish, Bozo.

The difference is that typically their is not an agreement that the vote leader at 24 hours should claim their role.

First of all, we don't have that agreement in this game either. At best you've got about three people in agreement

Secondly, your answer to me above is bullshit. Lies. Falsehoods. You are changing your narrative to make your stupid plan seem reasonable.

As anyone who can read will see, ypur original plan was based on a premise that "the vote leader eventually has to claim, so we should set a time for them to do that, to reduce Mafia influence".

NOW you are changing your tune to say "We have an agreement that the lead wagon should claim at 24h - so that's what they should do."

Absolute bullshit fucking nonsense.

[Jamiet99uk]

Can everyone see that when Bozo answered my criticism, he totally changed the assumptions underlying his proposal?

[Jamiet99uk]

The point is that the vote leader is eventually going to have to claim whether they want to or not to try to avoid getting lynched. I am suggesting this happens before EOD when there is little time to react and not everyone will be online.

Why are they eventually going to have to claim?

Why Bozo?

Maybe they could just, I dunno, DEFEND THEMSELVES.

You talk here as if the only way for a Townmeme to defend themselves from a lynch is to claim their role.

That. Is. Not. True.

[rdrivera2005]

Can everyone see that when Bozo answered my criticism, he totally changed the assumptions underlying his proposal?

I think you didn't get what Bozo meant on that message you quote, but will let him to explain as people should not answer for others...

[Jamiet99uk]

If approaching EoD there are 9 votes on Bozo and 8 votes on Damo, apparently in Bozo's mind this means hardclaiming his role is the ONLY option. You wouldn't try to persuade people that Damo's a better lynch. You wouldn't point out evidence of your townie-ness, you wouldn't engage your accusers and rebut their cases. No, none of that. Hard claim or die.

Nonsense. Just a bunch of fucking nonsense.

[Jamiet99uk]

Can everyone see that when Bozo answered my criticism, he totally changed the assumptions underlying his proposal?

I think you didn't get what Bozo meant on that message you quote, but will let him to explain as people should not answer for others...

He said:

"The point is that the vote leader is eventually going to have to claim whether they want to or not to try to avoid getting lynched."

Tell me how you interpret this sentence.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hello Vecna please join us.

[Vecna]

I have to make some anchor type post here. Tried to start reading up but I have guests arriving soon thatll stay around for a few days. Ill try to catchup when I can and at least participate a bit, but itll be slightly below my normal activity levels.

The only gut feeling I really got on the first 1,5 pages was that Squigs suddenly felt very different from last game. A lot less articulate.

[Vecna]

Also I didnt read the last iteration of the game at all, and also havent looked at the role doc yet, so I have no real opinion on all this mass claim discussion.

Ill do a proper catchup when I can and probably slap some sense into all y'all suckers then.

[bozotheclown]

This logic sucks donkey balls. I've been the lead wagon loads of times, and on many of those occasions I ended up avoiding the lynch without claiming. How many times does the lead wagon at 24hrs go on to dissipate and be replaced by a totally different wagon? Let me tell you how often: It happens VERY FREQUENTLY.

You're talking as if it's a certainty that the lead wagon at 24 hours from EoD always either has to claim on the block, or will be lynched. That is a steaming pile of crap. It's just false. You're talking rubbish, Bozo.

The difference is that typically their is not an agreement that the vote leader at 24 hours should claim their role.

First of all, we don't have that agreement in this game either. At best you've got about three people in agreement

Secondly, your answer to me above is bullshit. Lies. Falsehoods. You are changing your narrative to make your stupid plan seem reasonable.

As anyone who can read will see, ypur original plan was based on a premise that "the vote leader eventually has to claim, so we should set a time for them to do that, to reduce Mafia influence".

NOW you are changing your tune to say "We have an agreement that the lead wagon should claim at 24h - so that's what they should do."

Absolute bullshit fucking nonsense.

I am not claiming we have an agreement yet.

[bozotheclown]

Can everyone see that when Bozo answered my criticism, he totally changed the assumptions underlying his proposal?

I am not really following what you are claiming, I was pointing out why the situation would be different from a typical game if we all agreed on the 24 hour deadline.